We are all hoping for minimum 10 wins for the season and it is very possible. Stumbling blocks are Oklahoma and U$C. I think the U$C game is very winnable and the Oklamhoma game is going to be a toss up depending on which team both teams show up with.

 

So, let's say (devil's:evil: advocate) that the Irish lose both of these games. Lose to Oklahoma, drop to 12 or 13 in the polls. Win the next 3 to potentially get back to top 10. Then the dreaded U$C game. If the Irish lose this game, there is the real possibility that they could drop out of the top 15.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't 15 the magic number for ranking to be considered for a BCS game?

 

So, a 10 win season, how can it be possible to land a BCS bowl? And if they do, won't that just add to the hate of our team?

 

Legal disclaimer: Football idiot, so asking for curiosity sake.

 

GO IRISH!!!!

We need to be top 12 to be considered....top 8 to be guaranteed a spot and I think there's some way we can get in if we're top 14. I think a 10-2 record will put us towards the top of the two loss teams depending on how we lose. The USC loss will hurt because its our last game but I think the voters will still want a 10-2 ND in a BCS game and we'll end up 10-12 and get in.

We are all hoping for minimum 10 wins for the season and it is very possible. Stumbling blocks are Oklahoma and U$C. I think the U$C game is very winnable and the Oklamhoma game is going to be a toss up depending on which team both teams show up with.

 

So, let's say (devil's:evil: advocate) that the Irish lose both of these games. Lose to Oklahoma, drop to 12 or 13 in the polls. Win the next 3 to potentially get back to top 10. Then the dreaded U$C game. If the Irish lose this game, there is the real possibility that they could drop out of the top 15.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't 15 the magic number for ranking to be considered for a BCS game?

 

So, a 10 win season, how can it be possible to land a BCS bowl? And if they do, won't that just add to the hate of our team?

 

Legal disclaimer: Football idiot, so asking for curiosity sake.

 

GO IRISH!!!!

 

Dropping to 12 or 13 is not a given. It all depends on how we lose (if we lose). We could lose to OK by a point going for 2 and the win after a TD with little or no time left. In that case, I would think we would drop to no worse than 9 or 10.

ND in top 8 is guaranteed, top 14 is eligible for at-large.

 

But remember that is BCS, not polls, so ND will get a bump from computers.

 

Plus other teams are going to lose as well, ND will be in the top 14 at 10-2. No BCS team in the last 5 years has had two or fewer losses and not been in the top 14 of the final pre-Bowl BCS standings.

Edited October 18, 201212 yr by corysold

i think it also depends on how usc does. so if they are a one loss team when we play them that's different than them losing to oregon and another pac-12 team and having 3 losses. i think we fall farther if we are the clear favorite which we would be as 10-1 versus 8-3.

I thought if we get 10 wins we also get a automatic BCS bid....is that not the case??

ND in top 8 is guaranteed, top 14 is eligible for at-large.

 

But remember that is BCS, not polls, so ND will get a bump from computers.

 

Plus other teams are going to lose as well, ND will be in the top 14 at 10-2. No BCS team in the last 5 years has had two or fewer losses and not been in the top 14 of the final pre-Bowl BCS standings.

 

Winner ... winner... chicken dinner. I believe we will make it with a 10-2 record. Lets just get the Cougs, BC and Wake big and any loss to Oklahoma or U$C will not drop us out. But I believe we need to finish strong in LA.

There is almost zero chance that a 10-2 ND doesn't make a BCS bowl.

There is almost zero chance that a 10-2 ND doesn't make a BCS bowl.

 

Agreed. I say a 10-2 ND would be BCS inevitable.

But let's hope that is a moot point.

i think it also depends on how usc does. so if they are a one loss team when we play them that's different than them losing to oregon and another pac-12 team and having 3 losses. i think we fall farther if we are the clear favorite which we would be as 10-1 versus 8-3.

 

I think this is the key right here. If we A) Win against USC, we are in. If not then we need B) USC to be ranked in the top 10 and beat us in a close game. If USC is 12 or 13 and they beat us, we are assed out.

I think this is the key right here. If we A) Win against USC, we are in. If not then we need B) USC to be ranked in the top 10 and beat us in a close game. If USC is 12 or 13 and they beat us, we are assed out.

 

This really just isn't true unless ND is going to get screwed.

 

As I said above, no BCS level team, which ND is, has been out of the top 14 with only two losses or fewer in at least the past 5 seasons.

 

There is no way that ND falls below 14 when things are all said and done if they only have two losses. It doesn't matter where USC is ranked.

This really just isn't true unless ND is going to get screwed.

 

As I said above, no BCS level team, which ND is, has been out of the top 14 with only two losses or fewer in at least the past 5 seasons.

 

There is no way that ND falls below 14 when things are all said and done if they only have two losses. It doesn't matter where USC is ranked.

 

The screwing comes when you lose the last game of the season, unfortunately. If SC is out of the top 10 and ND drops that game, I don't see us getting in. Even though 2 loss teams are traditioanlly BCS worthy, late season losses are a constant caveat. Honestly, I don't think it is an issue as i think ND beats SC. We were better on both sides of the ball than SC was v. Stanford. Scored more, gave up less.

There is almost zero chance that a 10-2 ND doesn't make a BCS bowl.

 

What would kill us though is to beat an OK or USC but lose to a Wake or Pitt etc...woldn't we drop further with losses to such lower ranked teams?

The screwing comes when you lose the last game of the season, unfortunately. If SC is out of the top 10 and ND drops that game, I don't see us getting in. Even though 2 loss teams are traditioanlly BCS worthy, late season losses are a constant caveat. Honestly, I don't think it is an issue as i think ND beats SC. We were better on both sides of the ball than SC was v. Stanford. Scored more, gave up less.

 

Right, but you have to remember, it isn't just the polls. The computers matter as well, and they don't care when you lose.

 

Last year, Va Tech was #3 in the polls, #11 in the BCS, got blasted by Clemson 38-10, fell in the polls to the teens, but didn't move in the BCS.

 

I have a hard time believing that ND, while playing among the 10 toughest schedules in the country would be the first team in this BCS era to not to be in the top 14 with two or fewer losses.

Right, but you have to remember, it isn't just the polls. The computers matter as well, and they don't care when you lose.

 

Last year, Va Tech was #3 in the polls, #11 in the BCS, got blasted by Clemson 38-10, fell in the polls to the teens, but didn't move in the BCS.

 

I have a hard time believing that ND, while playing among the 10 toughest schedules in the country would be the first team in this BCS era to not to be in the top 14 with two or fewer losses.

 

The human vote comprises part of the formula. I have a hard time believering that ND gets left out at 2 losses as well, it would be unprecidented and it would summon up a screaming s**tstorm of epic magnitude. So much so, in fact, that the usually villified ND fanbase would be widely considered to be in the right. No one wants to be responsible for screwing ND over, it is just not where you want to be when Jesus comes back.

 

Still, the BCS leaves someone deserving out in the cold every year.

The screwing comes when you lose the last game of the season, unfortunately. If SC is out of the top 10 and ND drops that game, I don't see us getting in. Even though 2 loss teams are traditioanlly BCS worthy, late season losses are a constant caveat. Honestly, I don't think it is an issue as i think ND beats SC. We were better on both sides of the ball than SC was v. Stanford. Scored more, gave up less.

 

It won't matter if we're 10-2...it'll be like how Michigan got to the Sugar Bowl last year.

 

BCS games get to pick who they want from eligible parties. As long as we're top 14 and 10-2, we're in. We are too big a draw for them to "overlook". Boise State doesn't command viewership. We do.

It won't matter if we're 10-2...it'll be like how Michigan got to the Sugar Bowl last year.

 

BCS games get to pick who they want from eligible parties. As long as we're top 14 and 10-2, we're in. We are too big a draw for them to "overlook". Boise State doesn't command viewership. We do.

 

My concern was getting knocked out of the top 14 by a late season loss.

i hate to be a party pooper--BUT I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE GENERAL SENTIMENT OF THIS THREAD!

 

Times have changes enough that i DO NOT think 10-2 will get us to BCS---

 

Lets assume it works as many expect with losses to OU & USC---the loss to OU will drop us to the bottom of the top ten say # 10/11-----the wins over the slop BC/PITT/WAKE will do little to elevate that ranking-----

 

IMO under this scenario we will go to USC 10-1 and rannked approx #9----A loss on the final game dropping us to 10-2 will translate by design, conspiracy or simply the impact of a loss on our final game to # 15 or 16---NOT # 14!!!

 

There will be a MASSIVE EFFORT to diminish our schedule--to claim we lost to the only two strong teams we played and alot of animosity in the voters will bring us down farther then many of you expect.

 

10-2 we DO NOT go BCS and the loss at the end coupled with the revisionism of our schedule will cause that.

 

Now we still can win our bowl game and go 11-2 and end up at # 10---which is terrific--a top ten ranking and an 11 win season--whats not to like eh!----

 

BUT NO BCS WITH A SECOND LOSS ON THE FINAL GAME IMHO!

 

If we want BCS we need to BEAT at least one of the two OU & USC.

 

I suppose a very close loss in a very exciting game could keep us at # 13 or 14 but i seriously doubt thats in the cards.

 

NO BACKING IN FOR ND___WE HAVE TO EARN IT ALL IN THIS NEW CFB WORLD!

 

here's hoping for 11 wins---

 

aloha's

I really dont think there is any debate here. a 10-2 ND team will be in the BCS no matter which 2 games they lose. ND gets favored bc of the revenue that they generate for a BCS game. Not too mention the computers like them enough to almost guarantee them a spot. You have to remember, the pollsters will recognize the fact that the Oklahoma/USC games are BOTH on the road.

Win them all leave no room for doubt. That the Irish are back can you imagine what going 12-0 would do for recruiting we might even get a few decommits from other schools. Instead of the other way around.