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And I'm not sure we can against a decent defense.

 

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"* Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs

51 teams reached at least 30 pts in yesterday's 52 games.

 

* Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs

Current pace of 30.5 pts per team in FBS would shatter previous record by almost 3 points."

 

This is what worries me going forward! ND has not scored anywhere near 30 when against a decent defense! Sure we did 50 against Navy but that was before teams knew to just pressure Everett and make him pass. Since then we haven't scored more than 20! This needs to change if we hope to beat Miami!

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And I'm not sure we can against a decent defense.

 

From the Twitterless thread:

 

"* Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs

51 teams reached at least 30 pts in yesterday's 52 games.

 

* Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs

Current pace of 30.5 pts per team in FBS would shatter previous record by almost 3 points."

 

This is what worries me going forward! ND has not scored anywhere near 30 when against a decent defense! Sure we did 50 against Navy but that was before teams knew to just pressure Everett and make him pass. Since then we haven't scored more than 20! This needs to change if we hope to beat Miami!

Miami scored 13 vs the only dEcent defense they played so far.

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And I'm not sure we can against a decent defense.

 

From the Twitterless thread:

 

"* Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs

51 teams reached at least 30 pts in yesterday's 52 games.

 

* Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs

Current pace of 30.5 pts per team in FBS would shatter previous record by almost 3 points."

 

This is what worries me going forward! ND has not scored anywhere near 30 when against a decent defense! Sure we did 50 against Navy but that was before teams knew to just pressure Everett and make him pass. Since then we haven't scored more than 20! This needs to change if we hope to beat Miami!

 

Are you saying in general or in order to beat Miami? Theyre not getting more than 17 points against us.

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I think miami has found a rythm & some nice chemistry between morris and his recievers---yes they only scored 13 against K state---but that was several weeks ago---a game like yesterday will give that team ALOT of confidence going in!

 

Purdue got 17---

 

Unfortunatley i think the miami offense is a bad match up for us---so i expect them to get 20-24 points----

 

MY CONCLUSION_--SPEEDSTER IS ABOUT RIGHT WITH THAT 30 POINT ASSESSMET.

 

28-35 may very well be NEEDED to win this game.

 

The good news is that the miami defense should give us ample opportunities to get those points---BUT WE CANNOT GO ON CRUISE CONTROL & EXPECT TO WIN WITH 20 POINTS IMHO!

 

aloha's

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I said going forward. Yes, I did mean Miami as well because they looked to get in a pretty good rhythm last week.

 

Maybe the thread header should have read "We might need to score at least 30!" But going forward, it is absolutely true!

 

Tweet: "* Lou Holtz ‏@ESPNDrLou

I gave a CFB Final Helmet Sticker to QB Stephen Morris - Miami (FL) 566 Pass yds (ACC record), 5 TD in win vs NC State"

 

UHND article: "Miami’s quarterback Stephon Morris may not have as much national pub as Landry Jones or Matt Barkley, that doesn’t mean he can’t hurt the Irish through the air as the Georgia Tech secondary can attest to."

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There are a few things at play here I think.

 

First, even though they throw for many more yards per game, Miami and ND have basically the same yards per attempt this season in the passing game. I don't know that anyone would consider ND's passing attack thus far explosive.

 

Second, the teams Miami has played rank 31st, 62nd, 78th and 111th in sacks gotten. They haven't gotten pressure to Morris. Watch on the last play of the game vs. NC St. A DL gets knocked down and literally stops playing.

 

ND will get enough pressure to disrupt their passing attack.

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There are a few things at play here I think.

 

First, even though they throw for many more yards per game, Miami and ND have basically the same yards per attempt this season in the passing game. I don't know that anyone would consider ND's passing attack thus far explosive.

 

Second, the teams Miami has played rank 31st, 62nd, 78th and 111th in sacks gotten. They haven't gotten pressure to Morris. Watch on the last play of the game vs. NC St. A DL gets knocked down and literally stops playing.

 

ND will get enough pressure to disrupt their passing attack.

 

Thanks for making me feel better cory! I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop! Worries me when so many teams are scoring into the 30's and our passing offense is looking anemic!

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I concurr with what I think speedy is getting at. Correct me if I'm wrong speedy but our offense needs to do their part, in general In college football generally most good teams are scoring 30 points regularly. Our average with the Navy game is 25.8 our average without Navy is 17.7 (rounding up) Good news in our defensive points against average is approximately 9 points per game . top 5 in the nation so far

 

17-9 makes alot of close games, our offense does need to pick it up a little.

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Thanks for making me feel better cory! I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop! Worries me when so many teams are scoring into the 30's and our passing offense is looking anemic!

 

I've almost convinced myself.

 

You have to remember as well, that in the last three games, ND almost went into prevent offense for the entire second half of each game. That hurts the overall numbers.

 

Now, I certainly don't think our passing game is anything to write home about, however, we haven't really seen it when it has to be used. Remember, ND is the only team that hasn't trailed yet, we've dictated the game with our run game. Miami has trailed by 7+ in all five games, they've had to pass to come back, hence their passing numbers look pretty good.

 

Yes, ND has a pass attack in the 80's. But they have a YPA in the 50's. They are 90th at this point in attempts per game. If you gave ND the same number of attempts as most teams, they'd rank in the 50's for passing and we wouldn't be so worried.

 

"Total" stats are nice, but they rarely tell the whole picture. Total defense, total offense, total rushing are just a yards per game. That doesn't take into account how many plays a team runs or allows to be run on them. You can usually equate them pretty close, but not always.

 

Does that make sense?

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Their line is not very good. Shembo & Tuitt will run right through it picking up sacks and causing interceptions, as Morris also has serious accuracy issues. I'll be surprised if they score more than 10, unless it's a blowout and we put in the third team.

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I concurr with what I think speedy is getting at. Correct me if I'm wrong speedy but our offense needs to do their part, in general In college football generally most good teams are scoring 30 points regularly. Our average with the Navy game is 25.8 our average without Navy is 17.7 (rounding up) Good news in our defensive points against average is approximately 9 points per game . top 5 in the nation so far

 

17-9 makes alot of close games, our offense does need to pick it up a little.

 

Yes, thank you Faith!

 

I've almost convinced myself.

 

You have to remember as well, that in the last three games, ND almost went into prevent offense for the entire second half of each game. That hurts the overall numbers.

 

Now, I certainly don't think our passing game is anything to write home about, however, we haven't really seen it when it has to be used. Remember, ND is the only team that hasn't trailed yet, we've dictated the game with our run game. Miami has trailed by 7+ in all five games, they've had to pass to come back, hence their passing numbers look pretty good.

 

Yes, ND has a pass attack in the 80's. But they have a YPA in the 50's. They are 90th at this point in attempts per game. If you gave ND the same number of attempts as most teams, they'd rank in the 50's for passing and we wouldn't be so worried.

 

"Total" stats are nice, but they rarely tell the whole picture. Total defense, total offense, total rushing are just a yards per game. That doesn't take into account how many plays a team runs or allows to be run on them. You can usually equate them pretty close, but not always.

 

Does that make sense?

 

Here's what I'm really getting at. At some point, we WILL be trailing and needing to catch up and so far nothing tells me we can do that.

 

Also and more importantly, some teams ARE going to put up 30+ on our defense no matter how good they are and if they have even an average defense, I can't see us putting up 30+ at this point and time. Do we really expect our defense to keep Stanford, USC, Okie and maybe even Miami under 20? Really?

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I agree for several reason.

Golson needs to get his confidence back.

Miami is very good at passing. Miami sucks at defense. How do we take advantage of that? By keeping our offesne on the field.

We need to build a rythm and prove to ourselves that we can score before we meet Oklahoma, Stanford, or USC.

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Yes, thank you Faith!

 

 

 

Here's what I'm really getting at. At some point, we WILL be trailing and needing to catch up and so far nothing tells me we can do that.

 

Also and more importantly, some teams ARE going to put up 30+ on our defense no matter how good they are and if they have even an average defense, I can't see us putting up 30+ at this point and time. Do we really expect our defense to keep Stanford, USC, Okie and maybe even Miami under 20? Really?

 

Not totally true. Alabama hasn't given up 30 points since Sept 28th, 2008.

 

LSU hasn't given up 30 points in over two years.

 

Now, I'm not suggesting ND is quite to that level, but if you build a good enough defense, you are still going to stop opposing offenses.

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