IrishNYgirl Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 a few mean joe green types...not some patsies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangeruss Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 i totally agree. to bad our only bad citizen transfered to south florida. go back a look at nebraskas teams back in the 90's, they had all sorts of bad dudes on their rosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagotj Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/8314224/allen-pinkett-notre-dame-fighting-irish-need-bad-citizens-win Thoughts? I kinda agree From the looks of it, we've already got a few bad citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedsterX Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I agree with the premise. I think he meant that ND needed not so much a criminal element, but the "Bad" element as in "that dude is one bad motherf***er." I'm sure we can all agree we do not want out and out criminals on the roster who go out and steal, sell drugs on the corners, fire off guns at people, etc. I hardly consider kids getting picked off at a college party for drinking a criminal element, or one who smokes weed once in awhile and drops bad on a UA. Those guys are hardly bad ass. I prefer guys who are tough as nails and everyone knows it. Lynch was not that tough, liked to think he was, but when he got his ass kicked in practice during a scuffle his true P-whipped self shown through. Give me guys like Chris Zorich, Aaron Taylor, Jeff Faine, Michael Stonebreaker, and many others who are escaping me right now. They were tough, no nonsense players who kicked ass and didn't back down from anyone. Justin Tuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Criminals? Idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDNorm Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 How do you honestly produce championship-caliber football every year with nothing but salt-of-the-earth kids? Lou knew you couldn't. It's a fine ass line, (especially for us, due to what the institution stands for), but you can't have it both ways. Referring to it as needing a "bad citizen" element is just a stupid way to put it, and I don't know if this is what he meant, but what I've always loved are the guys who hate to lose....not the guys who love to win. There is a difference. I want the day back when teams actually feared coming to our place. Winning takes care of some of that, but the WAY you win/play goes just as far. You need to know you're gonna get popped in the mouth when you step foot on our field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgandonor Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) I think this will help the recruiting situation at ND. Here is why. Kids would hear all the time when someone on our team did something stupid we had an off with their head type mentality. Guys entire football careers were ruined by a mistake they made as a college student. Might I add they are teenagers. I think there is nothing wrong with the suspension of both Reese and Woods. I do believe now incoming recruits can see that you can come to ND make a mistake and not have the rug ripped out from under your legs and ruin your entire career whether it be academically or athletically. Edited August 29, 2012 by Morgandonor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieAngel Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 You might need a few bad guys in order to win football games, but you need a campus that is safe at an institution of higher learning. I would rather have running 6 - 6 seasons from now to the time my kids graduate college (That is about 20 years from now) than have them go to a school (I hope ND) filled with thugs, thieves, and rapists. Better to fade into mediocrity. I know that not all ND students are Catholics, or Christians, but still, the university is a Catholic university. As such, like Paul said to the Romans, "Do not conform to the pattern of this world" (Romans 12:2 NIV). I happen to think there are enough good kids out there that are talented athletes that ND can win without having to get thugs. Now, as some have already said, if "bad citizen" simply means someone with aggression and swagger, that is good, you do need that. But the context of the quote was that these suspensions might mean that ND is getting the right kind of people to win, and I am afraid that is just not the case. Here is an example of a good kid who had the right kind of mean streak on the field: [ame= ] [/ame] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgandonor Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 You might need a few bad guys in order to win football games, but you need a campus that is safe at an institution of higher learning. I would rather have running 6 - 6 seasons from now to the time my kids graduate college (That is about 20 years from now) than have them go to a school (I hope ND) filled with thugs, thieves, and rapists. Better to fade into mediocrity. I know that not all ND students are Catholics, or Christians, but still, the university is a Catholic university. As such, like Paul said to the Romans, "Do not conform to the pattern of this world" (Romans 12:2 NIV). I happen to think there are enough good kids out there that are talented athletes that ND can win without having to get thugs. Now, as some have already said, if "bad citizen" simply means someone with aggression and swagger, that is good, you do need that. But the context of the quote was that these suspensions might mean that ND is getting the right kind of people to win, and I am afraid that is just not the case. Here is an example of a good kid who had the right kind of mean streak on the field: Although I here what your saying loud an clear kids can be mischievous and you only here about those that get caught. It happens everywhere someplaces more than others. I would hope that this does not become a gateway for ridiculous behavior but the punishments should still fit the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nd1baby Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 "You have to have … you look at the teams that have won in the past, they have always had a couple of criminals." Well, this is true for a great many winning teams, correct? Rees and Calabrese are criminals now too. Not in the AK47 in your trunk mold but still, if having criminals are a prerequisite to winning then maybe this is our year. So its all good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieAngel Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Although I here what your saying loud an clear kids can be mischievous and you only here about those that get caught. It happens everywhere someplaces more than others. I would hope that this does not become a gateway for ridiculous behavior but the punishments should still fit the crime. I am with you. I don't think you need to toss out kids for getting in trouble for weed, or getting drunk and getting into trouble. That is what kids do at that age, they make kid mistakes and they don't need to be judged for them. There are two wrong assumptions in the original article: 1. Suspensions means we have players with bad character. 2. Players with bad character win games. The guys who are suspended are not bad citizens, and bad citizens don't equal wins. Give young men room to make mistakes so that they can become grown men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 I agree, we need more bad ass guys, like Zorich. However, we do not need kids like Isiah Cromwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishrb Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Allen Pinkett is my all time favorite ND player so whatever he says goes. Seriously, I do want to see ND take some chances with athletes that could use a little extra guidance.....and I don't think it's hard to see the difference between a true criminal and someone who can really just use a little extra support.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domers23 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 You guys are crazy. If you want criminals or bad dudes, ND is not your team. If I wanted to root for a bunch of thugs I would not be an ND fan. Like it or not ND is different! Kelly is recruiting exactly they way he needs to. He is bringing in good players that seem like they will mesh well together. This team will win. Will they be a top 5 team every year? Maybe maybe not, but I am okay with that as long as they are competitive and a top 5 or 10 threat pretty consistently. Teams with a bunch of thugs does not equal winning. Good players do. Believe it or not good players that are good hard working people exist. Kelly seems to be finding them. Do you think Stanford had a bunch of thugs last year? No! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2lakes Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) Allen was 1 year ahead of me at Notre Dame. I had a schedule one semester where I would hang out with him and a few dozen other folks waiting for our classes in Cushing. Wikipedia says he was a 2 time All-American. I don't remember that. Anyway, he experienced the four years of Faust, and none of Holtz. I am not being sarcastic when I say that he did not ever see what a winning program looked like. The guys who were freshman his senior year ended up being the senior class that won the NC, but there were not many of them: Pritchett, Stams, Heck, and Green were really the only starters he knew. Most of the guys came in the year after he left -- Rice, Eilers, Terrell, Johnson, Grunhard, Francisco (remember D'Juan?), Brown, Brennan, Bolcar, Alm -- two year later -- Ismail, Andre Jones, Lyght, Stonebreaker, Watters, Zorich -- or even three years later -- Brooks and Culver. That was a sophomore-and-junior-heavy team in '88. That's why they came so close to winning it again in '89, losing only to eventual NC Miami, but beating #1 Colorado and #2 Michigan. Side note: whereas we played three other teams in the top ten, Miami played one. Edited August 30, 2012 by 2lakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcd329 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Oscar McBride fires back at Allen Pinkett --- Violating Team Rules http://nocoastbias.com/violating-team-rules/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donjuan Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 There goes Pinkett's radio gig...just like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirodomer Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) I said a few years ago on here. We need Thugs on the d line and linebacker, convicts On the corner and Bubbaz on the o line. Edited August 30, 2012 by chirodomer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieAngel Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Oscar McBride fires back at Allen Pinkett --- Violating Team Rules http://nocoastbias.com/violating-team-rules/ Love Oscar McBride, he is a class act. He worked as a rep for mortgage broker here in SoCal (Might still be, not sure) and everyone that ever came in contact with him raved about what a nice and classy person he was (A rarity in that industry). That aside, best part about the post: skimbibbidy I have never even heard that word, and I thought I knew a lot about reefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratey Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 They kicked him off the broadcast for the Navy game... http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-08-30/allen-pinkett-notre-dame-comments-sent-home-ireland-img-networks-criminals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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