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saw a post on free ii board about Jimmy heres what it said

 

"inside info...........Jimmy and some of his teammates were in a fight the other night....a group of "valley" kids were taunting him and his teammates came to his rescue.....however, one of the kids ended up with 12 stitches (he has numerous offers including USC) but the kid he was fighting ended up with 100............the Oaks kid threw him through a window.....the other kid is pressing charges (even though they started it).......Jimmy wasn't doing anything but thanks to his Dad and all this high profile stuff, he's a target !!!. "

 

This comes from a USC fan who lives near Clausens school and is freinds with the coaching staff. He emailed me the message above and wished me a happy b-day knowing I love ND, he's a closet ND fan.

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Guest SirJohn

It is still the people you associate with, where you go in public with those associates. One doesn't have to live the life of a hermit but it is wise to walk on egss wherever you go. I agree we don't need this kind of crap near our program. Little Jimmy is being foolish. He has 'several strikes against him.'

 

#1 He's deep in USC territory and the high life there. He scorned USC.

#2 He went to USC Rival Notre dame.

#3 (Just add the words Notre Dame again)

#4 He's supposed to be top gun QB. Nothing Street people love better then tearing down a top gun.

#5 He and dad have been over beating the drum.

 

You are resaponsible for the company you keep and where you go.

 

I've seen too many "having it all" and blow it in a simple moment of stupidity. If he hasn't gotten it into his head he is a target and fair game on the street, especially with his mouth, by now he never, ever will.

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How is JC being foolish? Why does he have strikes against him? He hasn't done a bloody thing, it sounds like he handled it the way he should have and just sat back and kept away. $hit, if he has HS teammates throwing people threw windows that just shows me they'll do anything he needs them to do and could be a sign of a leader? Someone trying to get him involved in an altercation and him then not getting involved is not being foolish. He can't help being a target. Until he breaks a law let's not call him foolish.

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Think about how tough it has to be for him... He has a HUGE target on his back living out there. No wonder he is coming to South Bend in January. I would be willing to bet this won't be the last we hear of this sort of thing but I believe that he will keep his wits about him or CW will have his butt in a sling.

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Jersey, your still failing to see HE...YOU are responsible for the people around you and places you frequent and to some extent their behavior. This is no longer the "Who DAT?" kid. How do we know the taunting didn't come from the people around him assured that as JC 'bodyguards' they can rule the Mall, street corner or what have you?

 

Like even Brady must sneak around to avoid those waiting for him to leave his room. With stardom comes certain rules and behavior. You can't operate like a normal Junior High kid. The quicker he learns it, the more he realises things can't be 'considered small' or swept under the rug the better for him or what is more important Notre Dame.

 

I don't consider siomeone thrown through a plate galss window small beans to excuse away. It's his bad assed problem he was there, even if he did nothing. Just as it would be yours having an innocent beer in a lounge when police raided it.

 

Stupid kid. :(

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What would you ask him to do? As a kid as hyped as he is, I can' t imagine any place is 100% safe.

 

I do not think he is seeking trouble, and I do not think trouble is completely avoidable without locking yourself in your room and hiring bodyguards.

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SJ, I totally disagree with your approach to this situation with JC. You ask the following questions: How do we know the taunting didn't come from the people around him assured that as JC 'bodyguards' they can rule the Mall, street corner or what have you?

 

In reality how do we know anything? nobody was there. We don't know who started anything. Yet, you call him foolish and state that he has strikes against him. That is simply wrong. You referred to him like that without really knowing anything.

 

We can't really blame his group. We all have good guys for friends who have gotten in their fair share of problems. It doesn't mean that he is hanging with the wrong crowd. It doesn't mean anything.

 

I think Jersey will agree with this. The whole problem is that you referred to the kid as foolish without any facts and on the basis of only one instance.

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Well broker i can't tell you how many many 'street incidents i got into as a youth. :lol: None my fault. :lol: I had hell to pay from DAD. My "I never did anything or started anything," did not mount to a hill of credibility with my Dad. Let's call my Dad's philosophy coach Weis'.

 

There were times I and a few Flaget Pals drove to another schools turf or area to....Jeese, raise the flag, goad the bull, just to show we were tough?

 

Sometimes these resulted in "plateglass window incidents." It was juvinile, assnine, provacative and injudicial on our part. We were teens, no big name or media expectation to consider. Always it got back to brother superior at High school then my Dad.

 

I had a choice to make. Do what i wanna do or avoid a bunch and simply stay out of trouble. I did the latter.

 

I know teen Pal that had too much to drink and he got tossed through a plate glass window. He liked underage drinking, had a temper and never backed down. His scars later were amazing. I had to drop him as a friend.

 

Theres a place you can be tough it's a green field 100 yards long. Keep it there or fight in a ring like Zibby.

 

Once again, You are responsible for the company you keep. If you throw a party for pals it gets rowdy out of hand it's the neighbors that call cops on you, too noisy blah blah.

 

I call our running back that got into Weis doghouse stupid for his DUI. Hasn't he got a designated driver? Doesn't he realize he has a football future and a team depends upon him?

 

OK go have it another way it's not Jimmys fault the company he keeps the other group, there was no problem no plateglass window, nothing to solve no one to chew out no one resposible. Point the finger at the other guy or group. But I am reminded by an old priest...

 

"""Point your finger at someone else and three fingers point back at YOU.""" (try it :) )

 

Problem is South Bend has some 'tough areas' It's small "This ain't Hollywood Toto" and things like this won't float like California. Oddly Poodle alluded to some 'problems' with JC.??????????At the time i thought it 'jealousy.' Something to keep an eye on now.

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Broke, Jersey, I would agree that foolish is a strong term;however, when JC put his name and face into the limelight it completely changed his life forever. He is not just another kid from a "rival" football team having a little rough and tumble fun. This has become serious stuff and even if it wasn't his fault (and I have no reason to believe it was) he needs to make sure he doesn't put himself in precarious positions. This, unfortunately becomes the part of fame that really sucks!!

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Jimmy didn't JUST become a target. The kid's been " The Chosen One " for a decent amount of time, I doubt this is the first time he's been out and kids try to egg him on and get a reaction out of him, but this is the first time we are hearing of him involved in an altercation so I think the kid has a clue not to put himself in a bad situation.

 

He should stop hangin out with his friends who are bad news? They were his high school teammates, now JC goes to a private school so how many so called " thugs or troublemakers " be in this school?

 

I guess Tyler is foolish then too cause I'd have to assume he was with the group?

 

I'd assume his old man has been yellin the same things you are SJ in his ear for years now. No way his father holds him back and gets him ready for college and NFL mentally and physically and doesn't stress to him to behave himself.

 

I think people need to cut the kid some slack and let him live and not state he needs.

 

Should Jimmy be extra careful now? Sure he should, but I think he already knows that and demonstrated that by not being a oarty to whatever happened?

 

I think he might be more on the ball then people give him credit for. The articles and quotes I've read from and about him do seem to show he is a bright young man whose aware of the situation he is in.

 

Hopefuly he feeds off of it.

 

NOW LETS WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR!!!!!!

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broke and jersey have it right. we do not know an of the facts. all we are doing is speculating and that is not right. jimmy from what i have seen and heard from people around him is that he is a great kid. we dont know the cercumstances of what happened, i think those a$$holes went looking for him. he has no beef with anyone, he is sitting n top of the world. it is all the haters and havenots out there that want to make a name for themselves by taking down the big guy.

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I'm not trying to call him innocent or guilty. I don't know. My guess from what I have seen of JC is that for the most part he is innocent. But again, I do NOT know. My problem with this whole topic is calling him foolish. I have a problem with that. To do that without know the situation is foolish in its own right. No matter what our own youthful situations were, we have NO idea what happened that day with Jimmy.

 

SJ, I have great respect for you and that won't change but I absolutely, 100%, completely disagree with your reaction to this and think you were completely wrong attaching the foolish term to him. IMO, Jimmy deserved a great deal more respect than that.

 

Let's not forget, Jimmy (and the other commits) is one of us.

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:) broker utmost respect for you too.

 

But i can't think of a 'gentler word' off hand then foolish. If I was pulling a gun i'd really blast him.

 

He's been hyped what out in Soui Cal and hollywood for over a year plus?Mainstream media. Does spiked hair 4 rings, stretched hummer with police escort at south bend. This ain't no 'innocent kid unaware of his surroundings.' No I take that back i did say STUPID.

 

In a situation like he is in you must...must vet all friends, vet all 'girl friends' (That's an important one,) vet all surrounding people. What's the other messes out there? Check who you call, talk to, accept money from and i'd guess what movies you go to.

 

Now come on. This little jimmie's been front page over a year plus. That's dumb to tumble even once. (once) As once is all it does take.

 

If it's not foolish, not dumb, not stupid it's...cover up for jimmie excuse it away, sweep it under the carpet. He was there. Point the finger three point back. Little jimmie vet your pals and places you go to.

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