I believe Weis and I as well as those few, fought the good fight right up to the bell but were constantly out scoured by a few points by the majority of Notre Dame fans here at DomerDomain and by our teams on the field.

 

There were just a handful of us Weis loyalists and you know who you are. We fought the good fight whatever the odds and their is no disgrace to Weis or us not winning.

 

There is still much in the air about our new coach to be and Notre Dame will go on. The King is dead long live the king.

 

There are some things a new coach must understand and evaluate before taking the Notre Dame job. In South Bends goldfish bowl you, your wife and children will take any heat. Weis' took it very well.

 

For the next four years 2010 to 2013 if you win you won with Weisguys.

 

We few, backed Weis and right now they say he is not a winner. I feel he lost the battles but won the war and later the fans of Notre Dame will wake up and realize this.

 

From my breath, heart and soul, thank you Charlie Weis.

 

Sir John, SJ

Very nice post SJ. I knew the day was coming, but I was still saddened when I saw the news yesterday.

 

I wanted Weis to win the Stanford game more than any other game this season, just so he could go out with a bang. I can't help but wonder what he would be able to do at South Bend if the defense was only average.

did you feel this way about Ty willingham? after all Weis won with his players?

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Edited March 27, 201114 yr by Tenacious_ND

did you feel this way about Ty willingham? after all Weis won with his players?

 

I think the difference is how much Weis cared about ND, his players, how hard he worked, and what he did off the field.

We are not winning with Weis' guys. Anyone that is a freshman or sophmore now or incoming freshman next year will have the opportunity to be coahced and coached well. HOPEFULLY!

 

You can still save a sophmore, possibly a junior or two.

 

Weis was a good man on and off the field. He loved ND, but so do I. And I shouldn't be hired to coach ND next year.

Tenacious I am sorry if my post was not clear.

 

Is it not true others and the media stated Weis won with Ty players? (Actually he coached them up). Conversely anyone you pick be it Burbon, Kelly, Dungy or Saint winner/all around good guy is winning with Weis players. True? Yes. That's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Ironically Weis could not coach up his own, according to some nay sayers tring to ride that third rail.

We are not winning with Weis' guys. Anyone that is a freshman or sophmore now or incoming freshman next year will have the opportunity to be coahced and coached well. HOPEFULLY!

 

You can still save a sophmore, possibly a junior or two.

 

Weis was a good man on and off the field. He loved ND, but so do I. And I shouldn't be hired to coach ND next year.

 

I agree, and for all of that I am thankful to Charlie Weis as well.

I believe Weis and I as well as those few, fought the good fight right up to the bell but were constantly out scoured by a few points by the majority of Notre Dame fans here at DomerDomain and by our teams on the field.

 

There were just a handful of us Weis loyalists and you know who you are. We fought the good fight whatever the odds and their is no disgrace to Weis or us not winning.

 

There is still much in the air about our new coach to be and Notre Dame will go on. The King is dead long live the king.

 

There are some things a new coach must understand and evaluate before taking the Notre Dame job. In South Bends goldfish bowl you, your wife and children will take any heat. Weis' took it very well.

 

For the next four years 2010 to 2013 if you win you won with Weisguys.

 

We few, backed Weis and right now they say he is not a winner. I feel he lost the battles but won the war and later the fans of Notre Dame will wake up and realize this.

 

From my breath, heart and soul, thank you Charlie Weis.

 

Sir John, SJ

 

Sir John, I say this with the utmost respect to you and the others here posting their heartfelt testimonies, and God knows I am sincere.

 

But at 5:18 in the A.M. here in California...I can't help but hear "We Are The Champions' running through my mind right now.

I think Weis had a real affinity for his players and coaches and some of that could the problem. Obvioulsy the Tenuta and Brown experiment was a disaster, Charlie stated he had full confidence in their defensive coaching acumen, but some intervention was needed, yes the blitz package was curbed in a bit but the fundamentals, the tackling was atrocious, the players too often looked confused and out of poistion, and we actually regressed as the season went on. Whatever the offense won the defense gave back. Lou Holtz's comments about this team looking like it wasn't in good condition struck a cord of truth, most especially the defense looked tanked going in to the fourth quarter, and our offensive line, though improved from last year, still couldn't sustain a push in critical junctures in the game. I'm guessing like we all are to some extend as to what caused a season with expectations so high to fail so miserably, but Charlie put his faith in some assistant coaches that was misplaced. I would have loved to have seen Tenuta on the sidelines and not hidden upstairs were whatever he was calling wasn't having an effect anyway. Weis fell on his sword to protect his players and coaches from scrutiny in my opinion, he was loyal to a fault but a classy guy.

Dreamer, that's because of the Weis players and a very soft schedule.

I believe Weis and I as well as those few, fought the good fight right up to the bell but were constantly out scoured by a few points by the majority of Notre Dame fans here at DomerDomain and by our teams on the field.

 

There were just a handful of us Weis loyalists and you know who you are. We fought the good fight whatever the odds and their is no disgrace to Weis or us not winning.

 

There is still much in the air about our new coach to be and Notre Dame will go on. The King is dead long live the king.

 

There are some things a new coach must understand and evaluate before taking the Notre Dame job. In South Bends goldfish bowl you, your wife and children will take any heat. Weis' took it very well.

 

For the next four years 2010 to 2013 if you win you won with Weisguys.

 

We few, backed Weis and right now they say he is not a winner. I feel he lost the battles but won the war and later the fans of Notre Dame will wake up and realize this.

 

From my breath, heart and soul, thank you Charlie Weis.

 

Sir John, SJ

 

I am very much a Weis supporter. I backed him all the way through the final seconds of the Navy game as our coach, but I STILL back him as a person. I am very thankful for all that he brought to ND and I look forward to seeing how our next coach does with the roster CW stocked up through hard work and dedication to the university.

 

There is a difference though. As much as I supported Weis (and loved him for the job he did Sunday - Friday), I was not blinded to the fact that he was failing miserably at his most important task.

 

I am sad that CW HAD to be let go.....but the simple fact is that he was hired to do a job (and he promised to do this job) and he was unable to do it. He did all that he could, and he left ND in a MUCH better place than when he got here......but the fact is he was not cutting it as a football coach.

 

SJ, there is a difference between being a Weis supporter and blindly accepting him as a coach because he is a good person. I supported Weis (and still do), but I could no longer let my feelings for him as a person cloud the fact that he failed at the most important part of his job (winning games).

Dreamer, that's because of the Weis players and a very soft schedule.

 

No no no...I meant because of the moment. This was not a slight on Weis, players or schedule.

Charlie won with Ty's guys showed Weis is a better coach then TY, something that i dont think is too tough to do. If the next guy wins with Weis's guys that will show he is a better coach then Weis.

 

I am a Weis backer, didnt want to see him leave up until the Navy and Ucon games.

I was a Weis backer from way back. But it became obvious over the last couple seasons that he could not produce the kind of team Notre Dame should have. At some point, I had to separate my loyalty to Weis from my loyalty to Our Lady of the Lake. God, Country, Notre Dame is a pretty good motto. God, Country, Weis just does not have the same ring to it.

 

Anyway, Coach Weis did a good job selling Notre Dame to the recruits and to the rest of the country. He did a good job maintaining our academic standards. As you wrote so concisely: "The king is dead; long live the king."

Edited December 1, 200915 yr by 2lakes

Great Post SJ............thank you from the Weis loyalists.

 

Yesterday should have been a happy day for me as my wife had her first ultrasound and we were able to see our baby and hear her heart beat. The firing of Weis put a damper on it. I am very saddened by this outcome.

did you feel this way about Ty willingham? after all Weis won with his players?

 

Did you defend Bob Davies the same way ? After all Ty's only "acceptable season" was with his player...

I wish Charlie would have gotten to coach his best team.....the team that would have returned

next year. Maybe we get a good coach.....but Charlie would have a better year next

year with Jimmy and Golden coming back.

If you need to see what kind of coach Ty Willingham was check out what he did to Washington's program until Sarkisian got there. Numbers speak for themselves, and it is impossible to call Charlie Weis' tenure a success, but lets not act like Ty Willingham is anywhere near the football guy that Charlie Weis is. People that say Weis won with Willingham's players need to realize that Ty Willingham couldnt win with Ty Willinghams Players. He was a combined 11-12 in his 2nd and 3rd year, and the only time he had a good record (10-3 in his 1st year) guess what? He didn't win with his guys! So lets not act like Charlie Weis early success was based on Ty Willingham's unmatched ability to recruit talent.

 

Weis needed to go because he couldnt take the program to the next level, and because he is (imo) strictly an offensive coach that just cant run a defense.

 

For anyone that wants to compare the coaching ability of Charlie Weis and Ty Willingham, lets take a look at Ty's "Coaching" statistics at Washington.

 

11-37 overall

Never finished higher then 9th in the Pac 10

0-12 in 2008

I wish Charlie would have gotten to coach his best team.....the team that would have returned

next year. Maybe we get a good coach.....but Charlie would have a better year next

year with Jimmy and Golden coming back.

 

Yes, he probably would have a better team next year (on offense), but it's all moot if you can't stop the other team from scoring.

People that say Weis won with Willingham's players need to realize that Ty Willingham couldnt win with Ty Willinghams Players. He was a combined 11-12 in his 2nd and 3rd year, and the only time he had a good record (10-3 in his 1st year) guess what? He didn't win with his guys!

 

The same could be said about Charlie, he couldn't win with his own players. 19-6 with Ty's recruits, 16-21 with his own recruits. Even if you want to exclude '07 because of the "bare cupboard", Weis is still only 13-12 with his own guys.

I am not trying 2 say that Weis was the answer because a change definatly had to be made. I just think trying 2 compare Charlie Weis' coaching ability to that of Tyrone Willingham is just a little crazy. Defensively its been a catastrophe there is no denying that, but Weis hasn't blown up the program like Willingham did at Washington, and you can put some blame on Willingham for the problems that the Notre Dame program had in 07. Weis didn't take the team to the next level but he certainly made improvements (at least offensively) so that the next head coach shouldn't have to endure an 07 like season.