Stooping Too Low?

 

Over the five year period, from 2000 to 2004, Stoops was 60-7 (0.896) with a National Championship and a 3-2 BCS record. Over the last five years, from 2005 to 2009, he is 48-17 (0.738 ) with a 0-3 BCS record. This year: 6-5 (0.545), with the 41-13 loss this weekend to Texas Tech. And Texas Tech was only 6-4 going into the Oklahoma game.

 

In addition, you have to factor in that Oklahoma is not some struggling program with limited resources: historically, it is one of the best. So Coach Stoops is not working at a disadvantage, like Holtz was at Arkansas and Minnesota, Ara was at Northwestern, or like Kelly at Cincinnati, Petersen at Boise State, etc...

 

Head to head, you can compare Stoops to Petersen. They met in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl (BCS game). Stoops, with his 4 and 5 star recruits lost to Petersen with his no star team. Great game. But I think it is fair to say that Petersen was the better coach that night.

 

On the other hand, Stoops is still relatively young – 49 as of September. He still should have the energy and the motivation to make the change and, if his recent drop off is a matter of lack of interest, that can be rekindled. In comparison, Ferentz is 54, Whittingham is 50, Patterson is 49, Kelly is 48, Meyer is 45, Petersen is 45, and Fitzgerald is 34.

 

Stoops is a risky hire: no denying that. No hire is a guaranteed sucessful one, much less a National Championship in the making but we should be looking closely at each of our candidates. We should be looking at the trend as well as the gross data. The trend right now is not positive for Stoops, and we should think long and hard about that.

Edited November 22, 200915 yr by 2lakes

Stoops aint comin'. You can put your house...your parents house...your future house...whatever you want on it. Meyer is the next ND coach.

Stoops is a risky hire: no denying that.

 

COMPLETELY disagree. Yay. We found a new topic to disagree about. Stoops played in the Big XII and dominated. So, he lost some bowl games. Whatever. You still get your payout. Plus, he had to get up for big games week in and week out. What did Petersen do? He had to get up for one or two games a year. It's not as tough when you're the underdog. There aren't many better coaches than Stoops. That list would include: Saban, Meyer, Carroll, Tressel. And, Stoops is in that list with his peers. I would hardly say Petersen or Kelly lives in that list. Stoops is more than a solid hire.

Stoops aint comin'. You can put your house...your parents house...your future house...whatever you want on it. Meyer is the next ND coach.

 

As the Zen Master said, "We'll see." My sources haven't given my conclusiveness on this. All I can say is that it WILL be Meyer or Stoops. You may be ahead of me on this Dag.

Man, Stoops is a great coach, but he isnt on ND's list.

Irishwaveend- Like I said, Stoops is great, but people created a rumor that just wasnt true out of the gate. There is no interest in him from our part from what I'm hearing. The only dark horse that I've heard about is......damn I hate talking this stuff. Is like I said they are gonna get Meyer and are gonna try and get Zorich to groom as a d-coordinator. Zorich was the nastiest defensive player we had back in the day and he can make us nasty with Urban running the show.

I see the problem with a guy like Petersen is his ability or inability to deal with the pressure cooker that is ND. Boise teams know how to play football. They make plays on both sides of the ball and the intensity is non-stop. Petersen's ability to build a football team is unquestioned in my mind. I guess you can criticize his failure to recruit 4 star players to a small school in a low-end conference at a location which most people still couldn't find on a map. Of course he ends up getting his teams in the top 20 year after year anyways. If he recruited a top 10 class every year instead of a top 50 class where do you think his teams would end up? Don't you think that he might even have a BCS NC or 2 already in his pocket. I wouldn't have him at the top of my list, but he would be on my medium to short list.

COMPLETELY disagree. Yay. We found a new topic to disagree about. Stoops played in the Big XII and dominated. So, he lost some bowl games. Whatever. You still get your payout. Plus, he had to get up for big games week in and week out. What did Petersen do? He had to get up for one or two games a year. It's not as tough when you're the underdog. There aren't many better coaches than Stoops. That list would include: Saban, Meyer, Carroll, Tressel. And, Stoops is in that list with his peers. I would hardly say Petersen or Kelly lives in that list. Stoops is more than a solid hire.

 

Petersen is expected, required, to win every game: there is some pressure there too. The BCS game he played against Stoops: there was enough of that thar pressure to go around: pressure on Stoops because he was expected to win, but also pressure on Petersen because he was getting his one chance to prove that he could coach on the big stage. Yes, Stoops had more difficult games week in and week out; but for that one bowl game, with the regular season behind them and the same amount time to prepare for it, Petersen outcoached him and his players seemed more motivated.

 

Also, don't forget that Petersen has beaten a pretty good Oregon team twice, and lost to a much more talented TCU team by only one point in last year's bowl.

 

But apart from all that, you still have to address Stoop's 6-5 record this year, and today's 41-13 loss at the hands of a 6-4 Texas Tech team.

Edited November 22, 200915 yr by 2lakes

Irishwaveend- Like I said, Stoops is great, but people created a rumor that just wasnt true out of the gate. There is no interest in him from our part from what I'm hearing. The only dark horse that I've heard about is......damn I hate talking this stuff. Is like I said they are gonna get Meyer and are gonna try and get Zorich to groom as a d-coordinator. Zorich was the nastiest defensive player we had back in the day and he can make us nasty with Urban running the show.

 

I have a couple problems with this. I've gotten info from three different sources discussing specifics regarding Stoops. As far as Zorich, I find it tough to believe that anybody is going to tell Meyer who is on his staff. That's not how this stuff usually works, unless you are Fred Smith, owner of FedEx, telling the University of Memphis that they WILL hire XYZ person, or else not get the $100M he is promising them. We aren't in that position, and a coach of Urban's caliber certainly won't accept that. I'm just giving you my honest observations, though. Who knows? You could be right, but I have a little skepticism when I compare our notes. We'll see, though.

I have a couple problems with this. I've gotten info from three different sources discussing specifics regarding Stoops. As far as Zorich, I find it tough to believe that anybody is going to tell Meyer who is on his staff. That's not how this stuff usually works, unless you are Fred Smith, owner of FedEx, telling the University of Memphis that they WILL hire XYZ person, or else not get the $100M he is promising them. We aren't in that position, and a coach of Urban's caliber certainly won't accept that. I'm just giving you my honest observations, though. Who knows? You could be right, but I have a little skepticism when I compare our notes. We'll see, though.

 

Irish- I know. I'm with ya. Urban is coming. No two ways about it. I'm just telling you what i am hearing about the d coor job. Meyer, I think would love Zorich running it. But, we'll see. Its kind of like an overkill. Meyer hired as head coach and Zorich running the defense. Is that not a Notre Dame dream team? Swarbrick is pulling out all the stops. We'll see if I'm right. Hopefully so, sor all our sakes. lol

stoops is having a terrible year thats true--- but he lost his QB in a sorry fashion-- i meant the kid come back and has his shoulder pulverised from the get go--- talk about ruining a teams spirit-- then he lost his all world TE-- as well as a host of other difficult injury and sundry distractions-----with a tough schedule as well-- one year in 10 that went very bad-----if we got stoops i would be very happy--- maybe we both need a fresh start-- aloha go irish!

Irish- I know. I'm with ya. Urban is coming. No two ways about it. I'm just telling you what i am hearing about the d coor job. Meyer, I think would love Zorich running it. But, we'll see. Its kind of like an overkill. Meyer hired as head coach and Zorich running the defense. Is that not a Notre Dame dream team? Swarbrick is pulling out all the stops. We'll see if I'm right. Hopefully so, sor all our sakes. lol

 

Yeah, I think the devil is in the details. I do know that Swarbrick is pulling out all the stops on the money, and know what the contract to Urban says. That's an assload of money. I could see how the interest in Stoops, or ANYBODY else, wouldn't be much, especially if Meyer accepted on the spot. So, maybe our notes line up if we look at it that way.

Yeah, I think the devil is in the details. I do know that Swarbrick is pulling out all the stops on the money, and know what the contract to Urban says. That's an assload of money. I could see how the interest in Stoops, or ANYBODY else, wouldn't be much, especially if Meyer accepted on the spot. So, maybe our notes line up if we look at it that way.

 

We're on the same line.

stoops is having a terrible year thats true--- but he lost his QB in a sorry fashion-- i meant the kid come back and has his shoulder pulverised from the get go--- talk about ruining a teams spirit-- then he lost his all world TE-- as well as a host of other difficult injury and sundry distractions-----with a tough schedule as well-- one year in 10 that went very bad-----if we got stoops i would be very happy--- maybe we both need a fresh start-- aloha go irish!

 

Think long and hard about what excuses have gotten us this year. We can not afford to make another mistake. In terms of Stoops' seasons, there is a clear disparity between not only last year and other years, but between the last five years and the five years before that. As I recall, Stoops has been in more BCS games than any other coach, but he has also lost more. You could argue that his teams are consistently excellent throughout the regular season (not true this year or in '05 when he was 8-4); or you could argue that he has not been winning the big game. He currently has a three game bowl losing streak.

 

The big question is: was the National Title that Stoops won in 2000 the only one he had in him? One is a lot, and you have to respect that win, but we need to hire someone whose best years are yet to come.

Stooping Too Low?

 

Over the five year period, from 2000 to 2004, Stoops was 60-7 (0.896) with a National Championship and a 3-2 BCS record. Over the last five years, from 2005 to 2009, he is 48-17 (0.738 ) with a 0-3 BCS record. This year: 6-5 (0.545), with the 41-13 loss this weekend to Texas Tech. And Texas Tech was only 6-4 going into the Oklahoma game.

 

In addition, you have to factor in that Oklahoma is not some struggling program with limited resources: historically, it is one of the best. So Coach Stoops is not working at a disadvantage, like Holtz was at Arkansas and Minnesota, Ara was at Northwestern, or like Kelly at Cincinnati, Petersen at Boise State, etc...

 

Head to head, you can compare Stoops to Petersen. They met in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl (BCS game). Stoops, with his 4 and 5 star recruits lost to Petersen with his no star team. Great game. But I think it is fair to say that Petersen was the better coach that night.

 

On the other hand, Stoops is still relatively young – 49 as of September. He still should have the energy and the motivation to make the change and, if his recent drop off is a matter of lack of interest, that can be rekindled. In comparison, Ferentz is 54, Whittingham is 50, Patterson is 49, Kelly is 48, Meyer is 45, Petersen is 45, and Fitzgerald is 34.

 

Stoops is a risky hire: no denying that. No hire is a guaranteed sucessful one, much less a National Championship in the making but we should be looking closely at each of our candidates. We should be looking at the trend as well as the gross data. The trend right now is not positive for Stoops, and we should think long and hard about that.

 

I would take a risk like that, Jez look were we our. He would change the culture around ND. Bring in the culture of winning.IMO

Stoops would be an improvement. No doubt about it. But this is an opportunity that does not come around very often. With several young, very good coaches out there, there may be more than one from which to choose.

 

Isn't a guy like Petersen -- I'm using Petersen as an example although I am not 100% sold on even him -- also a great step up? This is a tough, imaginative, and younger guy who wins all the games he is supposed to against teams with comprable talent, then plays against the teams with far superior talent and resources and beats them too. He can win the biggest games on the biggest stages. His teams seem well-prepared and highly motivated. That game where he beat Stoops and Oklahoma was a masterpiece in terms of play-calling and adjustments. Ask yourselves: how would we have done against Oregon, Oklahoma, or TCU in those situations? Right? So a guy like Petersen would still seem to be a step up from what we have now, and a seemingly more likely candidate to win the whole Kahuna.

Edited November 22, 200915 yr by 2lakes