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Should Notre Dame Roll The Dice And Make A Deal With The Devil?


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yes......................

 

Just exactly what are the specific academic standards that are preventing so many young football players from signing up with ND, especially on the defensive side of the football? Are they that unreasonably high? What would be wrong with lowering those standards?

 

How do ND's standards compare to other universities who are perennial BCS bowl bound?

Is there THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE? I thought there was a minimum GPA and an academic crackdown by the NCAA for all college football players/athletes, no?

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I am probably in the minority here, but I think the "deal with the devil" is a HUGE mistake for the integrity of Notre Dame, THE SCHOOL. Maybe it's because I am also a product of that school that I feel that way. I have always enjoyed the good years, but I am equally just as intensely invested in the team and the school in the "bad" years. It is my home and I do not want to see my home sullied by a deal with the devil.

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I am probably in the minority here, but I think the "deal with the devil" is a HUGE mistake for the integrity of Notre Dame, THE SCHOOL. Maybe it's because I am also a product of that school that I feel that way. I have always enjoyed the good years, but I am equally just as intensely invested in the team and the school in the "bad" years. It is my home and I do not want to see my home sullied by a deal with the devil.

 

holtz dealt with the devil all the time. he got the players here, got them the help they needed, and guess what ????? they graduated................

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I think if ND wants to remain a high profile team, then they need a huge hire...like Urban.

 

If they want to protect the image of the school and get a nice coach who will have good years once in a while, then they go with a guy like Fitzgerald. If they want to do that though, forget about the NBC contract when it comes up and don't expect the program to be on par with Texas, Oklahoma, USC, FLA, etc. Expect the program to be like Stanford, BC, Northwestern, etc. My feeling is the football program generates too much money for the university to allow them to make another mediocre hire. At least that is my hope...

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Isn't it part of the "Notre Dame spirit" to accept those that might not meet the stringent academic requirements of the University and then help them to succeed to the best of their abilities?

 

ND could ease up a little bit on their academic requirements when it comes to allowing athletes to enroll, but I can't help but believe that they could do so while refusing to concede any ground when it comes to the academic standards it requires from its athletes while they are there.

 

ND should want to make young men better, not close its doors to them because their grades in high school weren't the best they could be.

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I think if ND wants to remain a high profile team, then they need a huge hire...like Urban.

 

If they want to protect the image of the school and get a nice coach who will have good years once in a while, then they go with a guy like Fitzgerald. If they want to do that though, forget about the NBC contract when it comes up and don't expect the program to be on par with Texas, Oklahoma, USC, FLA, etc. Expect the program to be like Stanford, BC, Northwestern, etc. My feeling is the football program generates too much money for the university to allow them to make another mediocre hire. At least that is my hope...

 

fitzgerald = second chair violinist

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Isn't it part of the "Notre Dame spirit" to accept those that might not meet the stringent academic requirements of the University and then help them to succeed to the best of their abilities?

 

ND could ease up a little bit on their academic requirements when it comes to allowing athletes to enroll, but I can't help but believe that they could do so while refusing to concede any ground when it comes to the academic standards it requires from its athletes while they are there.

 

ND should want to make young men better, not close its doors to them because their grades in high school weren't the best they could be.

 

Exactly. Lower the standards in, but require performance in the classroom. It speaks to some basic tenants of Catholicism to take in students that need assistance and give them a better chance to succeed.

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Is admission to ND like it is to say med school? Many med schools say you need a minimum of a 3.0 gpa to be accepted, but because there are so many applications, that in actuality the minimum gpa that is accepted is closer to a 3.7? If this is the case then ND is already making exceptions for the athletes as the majority of them are not close to the academic qualifications of the average ND student.

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I understand the premise, but don't understand why the author seems to think it only affects defense. Do "thugs" (and I use that term in the loosest possible manner and don't mean to generalize) only play defense?

 

The thing is, there are lots of "thugs" and only 1 or 2 Manti T'eo type players that fit ND's criteria every recruiting cycle.

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The thing is, there are lots of "thugs" and only 1 or 2 Manti T'eo type players that fit ND's criteria every recruiting cycle.

 

+1!!! I have been saying this forever! The pool that ND has to recruit from is so substantially smaller than the elite schools it simply puts too much pressure to land every "good student" kid out there. We need to get the top defensive athletes if we want to compete. End of story. We will always get top offensive players.....it's the defense where we need the help!

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whining about academic standards is illogical and shows a lack of spine. qiit crying and making excuses for your shortsihhted and superficial arhuments. you dont know what yoire talking about so you should stop now.

 

this from a phone so i apologize for mispellings. first, tuck, aniamiri, laws, budinczak, legree, boiman, crum, watson, duff, earl,nfukwe, elam, cpoper, i vould go thru every position and name defensive players who've qualified when the offense blew nuts. the standards arent overly higj. ive seen our recruiting files when i worked in sports info. when i had to have a 31 act to go to nd these guys only needed 18-21. so keep whining about academic standards. this is typical of our media and the public...what have u done for me lately? instead of insightful and researvhed news, we get generalities and excuses. people on yhe whole are stupid so they believe tjis stuff. no wonder things are a mess.

 

dont buy in to ttite excuses. think for uourself and do research. the single most problem is a coach who cant get it turned around anf happened to get burnt by a couple of dline recruits

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Notre Dame does except call it "below educational standard" students on the football team. Sorry to mention Weis but he spelled it out (I gusess many of you overlooked it)

In the first years Pressers I do believe. More or less He has nothing to do with acceptance. He will take a below standard recruits resume to admissions and ask them if they feel, with help and tutoring this player will succeed. He waits and they answer yes or no.

 

Please do remember he talks to the HC and records people at any higth school about any character flaws the student may have, this is a biggie to ND but evidently overlooked by other colleges.

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