Dont know if anybody posted this yet or has read it but it looks like Stoops and Ferentz may be interested in the HC job should Charlie leave. Cant say Id be shocked if it turns out to be true. ND is pretty much loaded with talent. Id say if a coaching search happens it will be much different than last time. The right guy could step into a dream situation. Big money and big talent.

 

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1885241,CST-SPT-nd15.article

I know you despise kelly in every way ndirish, your post regarding how much better kiffin is then him speaks volume as to your feelings towards him

 

I don't like Lane Kiffin, and never will; but he has done a hell of a job with Crompton. I don't know if Kelly could have done that. I'm not saying he can't but the verdict is still out. Crompton was THE worst quarterback in college and biggest let down for the number of stars he possessed. Now, the guy is playing like he actually knows what's going on. Ole Miss showed them up yesterday, but Crompton has done a complete 180 under Kiffin. The problem with Kelly is that the verdict is still out. We should go after someone who is proven, and I agree that Stoops should be at the top if he is sincerely interested.

For some reason I like Charlie Strong the best of anyone out there

 

young, great Florida recruiter, players love him and has a history of winning... But he's never been a head coach so it's a bit of a risk

 

I don't want ferentz, his offense is about as imaginative as a wet fart... Frankly the big ten doesn't do much for me, inflated records and automatic bids make the resumes look better than they are

 

stoops isn't leaving Norman, although this could be a nice way to renegotiate his current contract

 

gruden is an NFL guy.

 

Shannahan is an NFL guy

 

Brian Kelly makes me squirmy with allegations of racist comments, hit and run and everyone who ever worked with him says he's a dick

 

urban ain't coming... Plain and simple

I don't buy the NFL to college deal - i think this was specific to Chuck and the way he built the team. From recruiting to the way he ran practices to the way he called the game his teams were built from the outside in. If we learn one thing from this it is we need a coach who instills discipline toughness and a desire to impose their will on the other team. Charlie never grasped this - this is why we lacked emotion and toughness. I am not one of the we 3 yards and a cloud of dust guys - I don't care what type of system it is as long as on both sides of the ball we have the mindset to take it to the other team and impose our will.

stoops isn't leaving Norman, although this could be a nice way to renegotiate his current contract

 

There is nothing to dislike about his current contract. Look at Calipari. He had a great thing going at Memphis and was offered a much better contract by Fred Smith, the CEO at FedEx, to stay; but Calipari took less money to go to UK. You never know, but Stoops may have sincere interest in showing what he can do at the most storied program in college football. He may be bored of OU. There is nothing he could possibly want more out of his current contract.

That logic isn't sound. What if I said, haven't we learned our lesson from hiring a coordinator? That would be the exact same logic. In reality, the logic should sound like this: Haven't we learned our lesson from hiring a Pro Coordinator with no Head Coaching experience? Then, you would have a good argument.

 

Gruden has head coaching experience. Pete Carroll had Pro coaching experience. Charlie Weis was a head coach for one year in high school. Hiring somebody isn't a poor decision. Then, again, one could argue that Harbaugh was a coordinator in the NFL. How is he doing? Dennis Erickson coached multiple times in the NFL and has had success in college. June Jones coached in the NFL and had good success at Hawaii, considering it was Hawaii. In all, I don't think any of that logic is sound regarding the NFL, unless you want to talk about coordinators. Nick Saban was a coordinator for the Browns before going to Michigan State, though.

 

Random fact for the day: Both Lou Holtz and Nick Saban played at Kent St.

 

I could do without the pedantic tone, but I see your point. My objection, in this case, would be more properly directed specifically at Gruden rather than at pro coaches as a whole. Let me re-frame.

 

Why, exactly, is there a grassroots movement to hire Gruden to coach at ND? Is it the hope that his emotional demeanor would instill some fire in our often-listless team? Is it because of his past ties to the University? Gruden had success early in his head coaching career with Oakland, then at the beginning in Tampa with a team that Dungy put together. After that, pretty unremarkable...well below .500, in fact. My recollection is that people were not sorry to see him go when he was fired by the Bucs. He was not hired to coach this year (and honestly, I don't remember if that was his choice or due to a lack of interest). I could understand discussion about the possibility of him coaching ND, but I don't see any reason why he would be at or near the top of the list, as he seems to be for some people. What's the case for him? Do you advocate a Gruden hiring?

 

I'd much rather see a coach who has built a college program successfully in all facets. All of the names in the rumor mill fit that bill.

 

My initial reaction if we were to hire Gruden would be either a) that a whole bunch of college coaches must have turned us down, or b) the administration had bungled another coaching search. If we were to hire him, hopefully I'd be wrong on both counts. This should be an interesting few weeks.

I guess one thing gruden has going for him is pete carroll. Petey was a pretty unsuccessful head coach in the pros but then the college game seemed to fit him much better. He was also relatively young and brought the same emotion with him that Gruden seems to bring. My concern with gruden is his impatience with young players i remember the revolving door of quarterbacks with the bucs and that scares me.

 

I think the common perception is that it is as likely that gruden could be the next carroll as kelly could be the next meyer, so its not that much more of a risk. Im still sketchy on gruden though i dont think it is a name that would be at the top of my list but he would at least be on my list.

I think Urban and Stoops have to be option numbers 1A and 1B. If they decline, then you still have 4 EXCELLENT options (that would normally be option 1 type coaches in any other year) in Gruden, Kelly, Patterson, and to a slightly lesser extent, Peterson.

 

My thoughts exactly. Nothing would make me happier than 1A or 1B...

 

I think 1A and 1B also save us from a disasterous abandon ship as well...

Edited November 16, 200915 yr by rocketsan22

First, Stoops is my number one if he's sincere, then Gruden, then Meyer...if I have to. Second, I think people dig Gruden, because he's run programs, he's grown up on Notre Dame, recruited for ND, and loves ND.

 

As far as the Pedantic tone, I apologize, but I've had to rebut the presumption that "We should learned our lesson about NFL guys" about ten times, now. I find myself having to break down the argument in ways that are simple with no holes, so I don't have to relive arguments over NFL Coaches v. College Coaches based on a single NFL Coordinator who is underachieving as the entire assumption of the argument. It comes down to hating to repeat myself, but my own personal obsessive compulsiveness in having to rebut the argument, which is probably an inherent flaw of mine, forces me to answer the question. If I could, I would just walk away. I can't... Don't know why.

 

As far as your argument about preferring Stoops and Meyer, I see your point. I prefer the prostyle offense because it's more in line with the players we have, though the other offense could certainly work, as we have Rees and Goodman who could run that style. I'm not sure how our offensive line would work in that system, though.

 

So, again, Stoops, Gruden, Meyer. Then, it's a tossup with Leach, Kelly, Chip Kelly. NO FERENTZ, though.

 

One more random thought: Successful NFL to College Coach: Dave Wannstedt, though it's arguable.

I really think that we should bring in John Madden. He is an old timer and remembers when ND was in its glory years. He knows what a winning ND team looks like.

For some reason I like Charlie Strong the best of anyone out there

 

young, great Florida recruiter, players love him and has a history of winning... But he's never been a head coach so it's a bit of a risk

 

I don't want ferentz, his offense is about as imaginative as a wet fart... Frankly the big ten doesn't do much for me, inflated records and automatic bids make the resumes look better than they are

 

stoops isn't leaving Norman, although this could be a nice way to renegotiate his current contract

 

gruden is an NFL guy.

 

Shannahan is an NFL guy

 

Brian Kelly makes me squirmy with allegations of racist comments, hit and run and everyone who ever worked with him says he's a dick

 

urban ain't coming... Plain and simple

 

Coach, who does that leave us with, in your opinion?

1. Urban Meyer

2. Bob Stoops

3. Brian Kelly

4. The Venerable Lou Holtz!

 

No NFL guys for me. I like Chuckie and Shanahan. If I were to take an NFL guy I would want Mike Shanahan. Bill Cowher is going back to the NFL.

 

I think that we need to keep Brian Polian and put him in charge of recruiting. He is his old man all over again.

As far as the Pedantic tone, I apologize, but I've had to rebut the presumption that "We should learned our lesson about NFL guys" about ten times, now. I find myself having to break down the argument in ways that are simple with no holes, so I don't have to relive arguments over NFL Coaches v. College Coaches based on a single NFL Coordinator who is underachieving as the entire assumption of the argument. It comes down to hating to repeat myself, but my own personal obsessive compulsiveness in having to rebut the argument, which is probably an inherent flaw of mine, forces me to answer the question. If I could, I would just walk away. I can't... Don't know why.

 

Wave, I see where you're coming from. No worries.

 

I agree with you about Stoops - I'm trying not to get excited about the thought until I know there's any substance to these whispers that are going around, but in a lot of ways, it would make sense to me. I live in North Texas, about 4 hrs from OU, so we get a lot of coverage of the program. The fan base is disgruntled with this season, and has the perception that Stoops can't win the big one. It makes me wonder how fed up he is with the whole scene and whether he'd be more likely to listen to us at this particular point in time. Plus there's the fact that there's no major bowl for OU this year, so it would make sense that he'd be willing to get started immediately if he's in fact interested in our job.

 

I like Mike Leach and find him entertaining, but I can't see him at Notre Dame in a million years. I love Gary Patterson and think he'd be great for us, but as a native Fort Worthian and a TCU fan since I was a little kid, my loyalties are somewhat divided here, even though I'm an ND alum. The atmosphere down here has been electric with the season TCU is having...downtown buildings lit up in purple lights, even. I'd hate to see my hometown lose him just as much as I'd love to see my alma mater gain him. My list would include Stoops as #1, followed (in no particular order) by Gary Patterson, Paul Johnson & Brian Kelly. Based on Urban's past comments, and the rumors and innuendo surrounding his interest in us, I still get the feeling he will coach here someday, just not this time around.

 

My understanding of Gruden's background is that his dad was an assistant under Devine, and Jon was a ballboy when he was a teenager. What's the rest of the story? When has he recruited for ND?

 

Re: offense, I seem to recall OU having Bradford under center quite a bit. I know very little about Xs and Os, but it would seem to me that the type of offense Stoops runs at OU would fit our personnel, yes? Meyer, Patterson, etc would definitely represent a change, but Dayne has the athleticism to run a spread option-type of attack, doesn't he?

Gruden used to take the players around campus. Recruiting was different back in those days. It wasn't as regulated. Gruden knows the campus inside and out. As far as changing offenses, I don't know what TCU runs, but Meyer, Kelly, Whittingham, and Petersen all represent changing the offense. I would hope Dayne could run it, but think he is better for the OU style/pro-style - something that requires a pocket passer.

Gruden used to take the players around campus. Recruiting was different back in those days. It wasn't as regulated. Gruden knows the campus inside and out. As far as changing offenses, I don't know what TCU runs, but Meyer, Kelly, Whittingham, and Petersen all represent changing the offense. I would hope Dayne could run it, but think he is better for the OU style/pro-style - something that requires a pocket passer.

 

TCU offense would represent a change as well. Dalton (QB) operates out of the shotgun a lot...zone read, QB runs, etc.

As a guess Whittingham sounds too much like Willingham.