Does anybody know how to track our plane? I read over at that OTHER site that it went down to Indy and then over to Denver. It's Dungy! It's Shanahan! It's Gruden! Those are the possible things that will be said in the next few days. Actually, they are postulating Gruden, because MNF is in Denver. No matter what, I think our admin just needs to do an honest search with honest assessments before jumping on somebody.

 

As far as Gruden, there is one thing you can say - he's always fired up. This team won't come out flat, unless he's too much for the team, which puts them in the dumps; but Saban is the biggest dick in the world. So is Urban from what I hear. A buddy worked with the OL coach at Mississippi State who came to MSU with the new head coach. The OL coach said he took a pay cut to go to MSU just to get away from Meyer. I simply throw that out there for people to consider when thinking about Gruden and his attitude.

 

I'm not necessarily for him, but just want to make sure we look at EVERYBODY, before annointing the next leader of this team.

If the plane's in Colorado they may be doing some damage control with C Martin.

Good luck there.

Nah the plane is on a recruiting trip , Charlie will stayIMO UNTIL AT LEAST DEc:( ember.

You're positive about that, Rick? I'm just asking, because I'm not sure if you're shooting inside info or just hypothesizing. If it is a recruiting trip, I'd be telling this kid that no matter what, ND will have somebody good in place at the end of the year. Charlie may be the HC until the end of the year, but we'll have a new coach behind-the-scenes. CW cares too much about the school to let us have a disruption in recruiting. Hopefully, he can pull some strings to find us somebody really good as HC, too.

Yah, hopefully there is no fiasco this time. Someone needs to be lined up and signed the day charlie steps down, they should start looking now (if they havent started already) and make this as efficient as possible, quick and clean. This is the best way to salvage recruiting and it doesnt turn this change into a bigger fiasco then it needs to be.

 

In regards to Martin didnt someone say he seemed as though he coming to ND for ND and not for weis, hopefully that's the case.

The plane is also used for School officials on ND related events.

Martin said the exact opposite-- he said as long as charlie stays he is coming--- its all well and good that we speculate about coaching changes-- but lets not get delusional about the effects this change will have on our current roster and our recruits--- clausen -- tate-- teo--( OFF TO HIS MISSION__ PROBLEMATIC IF HE EVER COMES BACK HERE)__ HE CAME FOR CHARLIE---- at least a half a dozen decommits-- you can also forget about possible commits from BARR_HENDERSEN_ PRATER ETC ETC ETC- 5th years from stew or wegner-- i doubt it--tranfers-- at least another half a dozen highly regarded players---evans leading the way

 

i mean it makes sense to have a coaching change i can agree with that-- but please dont expect some really tough happenings to the roster and the recruits

 

a new coach will come in with nothing even resembling this years array of talent--back to 75 schollies again after 5 long years to restock-- and will also have to completely rebuild charlies recruiting pipelines over the next two years--- can you say REBUILDING AGAIN---its just an unfortunate FACT OF LIFE- this isnt going to be fun!--aloha go irish

Martin said the exact opposite-- he said as long as charlie stays he is coming--- its all well and good that we speculate about coaching changes-- but lets not get delusional about the effects this change will have on our current roster and our recruits--- clausen -- tate-- teo--( OFF TO HIS MISSION__ PROBLEMATIC IF HE EVER COMES BACK HERE)__ HE CAME FOR CHARLIE---- at least a half a dozen decommits-- you can also forget about possible commits from BARR_HENDERSEN_ PRATER ETC ETC ETC- 5th years from stew or wegner-- i doubt it--tranfers-- at least another half a dozen highly regarded players---evans leading the way

 

i mean it makes sense to have a coaching change i can agree with that-- but please dont expect some really tough happenings to the roster and the recruits

 

a new coach will come in with nothing even resembling this years array of talent--back to 75 schollies again after 5 long years to restock-- and will also have to completely rebuild charlies recruiting pipelines over the next two years--- can you say REBUILDING AGAIN---its just an unfortunate FACT OF LIFE- this isnt going to be fun!--aloha go irish

 

you make some good points, but i don't think Charlie will ever be able to have ND back to competing for national titles, if ND has to rebuild again for the next 3 years I think its worth it if we can get a legit college coach. Has to be someone legit though.

yep thats the right & reasonable attitude irishndfan--- i am willing to concede that charlie just isnt getting done what should be done with this very talented team-- and accept if a coaching change is made it may be an unfortunate necessity--- but some posters seem to feel that some new coach is going to walk into a " loaded roster"-- a top recruting class-- and just continue along only with more sucess then charlie-- unless parseghian is available that just isnt going to happen--- its the yin with the yang and all that-- and i think everyone should go into this with their eyes wide open and NOT FREAK OUT AT EVERY LOST RECRUIT AND EVERY TRANSFER__- it is what it is--- and we can hope to come out the other end better off-- as of now-- that is merely a HOPE!---- aloha go irish!

All the more reason IMO we should be going REALLY hard after someone like Stoops who is a big name in CFB which may freeze some recruits and players in wanting to go ahead and stay for such a quality hire. Also Stoops has some serious in roads on a lot of HS talent especially in TX, and could conceivably not lose that much for contacts since he himself does recruit at a national level with a top team in OU. This is one of the areas I see Stoops having a step up over someone like Kelly, Patterson, Peterson, Coach _____ from any school thats not upper echelon.

All the more reason IMO we should be going REALLY hard after someone like Stoops who is a big name in CFB which may freeze some recruits and players in wanting to go ahead and stay for such a quality hire. Also Stoops has some serious in roads on a lot of HS talent especially in TX, and could conceivably not lose that much for contacts since he himself does recruit at a national level with a top team in OU. This is one of the areas I see Stoops having a step up over someone like Kelly, Patterson, Peterson, Coach _____ from any school thats not upper echelon.

 

This might be a fun discussion but is there any likely chance it could ever happen? I mean we could throw out any big name college or pro coach and admit that they would be a great hire, just not sure if it is a real possibility. Call them at the very least and see what happens but im just saying i wouldn't hold my breathe for any huge names to come knocking. I just find it hard to believe that a Stoops or a Saban will drop everything and come to ND when they are already successful where they are.

I understand there's attrition after coaching changes and recruits jumping ship, but why is anyone assuming that when Weis leaves all these kids will be so devastated that they'll take off. If he did his job correctly, he sold them on Notre Dame, and what it means to be at Notre Dame.

 

Also, if they loved Charlie so much, I'd imagine they wouldn't come out flat 80% of the time. When you're playing for a coach you love enough that you'll leave the school if he's gone, I'd imagine Navy wouldn't go up 21-7 on you. Just sayin.

Martin said the exact opposite-- he said as long as charlie stays he is coming--- its all well and good that we speculate about coaching changes-- but lets not get delusional about the effects this change will have on our current roster and our recruits--- clausen -- tate-- teo--( OFF TO HIS MISSION__ PROBLEMATIC IF HE EVER COMES BACK HERE)__ HE CAME FOR CHARLIE---- at least a half a dozen decommits-- you can also forget about possible commits from BARR_HENDERSEN_ PRATER ETC ETC ETC- 5th years from stew or wegner-- i doubt it--tranfers-- at least another half a dozen highly regarded players---evans leading the way

 

i mean it makes sense to have a coaching change i can agree with that-- but please dont expect some really tough happenings to the roster and the recruits

 

a new coach will come in with nothing even resembling this years array of talent--back to 75 schollies again after 5 long years to restock-- and will also have to completely rebuild charlies recruiting pipelines over the next two years--- can you say REBUILDING AGAIN---its just an unfortunate FACT OF LIFE- this isnt going to be fun!--aloha go irish

 

This is a very pessimistic post from a usually optimistic poster. If that is martins take that sucks because i would hate to lose him but we cant be willing to continue to accept mediocrity in order to keep a few highschool kids irish.

 

Also, I dont think all these gloom and doom things are guaranteed to happen. Some will be bound to happen yes, that comes with coaching changes but there is no guarantee that manti will even go on his mission let alone leave the school as you seemed to insist or that shaq will definitley leave along with another half dozen highly regarded players. Also, in regards to recruits if a new successor is named quickly and comes in and works his but off he'll be able to salvage what he can and who knows how it will work out, time will tell.

 

Im just saying the program isnt heading back to 3-9 anytime soon if there is a coaching change, it also wont be in the national title hunt next year either but in all honesty it wasnt going to be with charlie at the helm anyway.

Edited November 8, 200915 yr by goirish83

This might be a fun discussion but is there any likely chance it could ever happen? I mean we could throw out any big name college or pro coach and admit that they would be a great hire, just not sure if it is a real possibility. Call them at the very least and see what happens but im just saying i wouldn't hold my breathe for any huge names to come knocking. I just find it hard to believe that a Stoops or a Saban will drop everything and come to ND when they are already successful where they are.

 

I don't know if it could happen either. I think part of the problem is buying out Charlie, then buying out Coach XYZ, then coming up with enough money for said coach. I don't know how White and Weis negotiated the extention, but I sure as hell hope there were some performance clauses in there that would make it easier to fire Charlie if need be and for a much cheaper package. If the PTB are able to take care of Charlie, cheaply, then I see no reason to not swing for the fences and seriously offer some big time candidates. I'm more preferable to Stoops over Meyer/Saban, and think that realistically we'd have a better shot at him currently than the other two, even though its still a slim shot. Like I've mentioned somewhere else on the board, the PTB need to get serious and give the, "No BS, are you interested", speech to some of these guys.

All the more reason IMO we should be going REALLY hard after someone like Stoops who is a big name in CFB which may freeze some recruits and players in wanting to go ahead and stay for such a quality hire. Also Stoops has some serious in roads on a lot of HS talent especially in TX, and could conceivably not lose that much for contacts since he himself does recruit at a national level with a top team in OU. This is one of the areas I see Stoops having a step up over someone like Kelly, Patterson, Peterson, Coach _____ from any school thats not upper echelon.

I see Stoops name thrown around a lot and I think it would be a great hire, but what makes people think we could pull him out of Oklahoma?

I mean, he's got them at superpower status the last many years.

Has he said anything regarding interest in ND ever before?

I just don't see him leaving his current situation unless he's tired of losing to Texas or something.

I see Stoops name thrown around a lot and I think it would be a great hire, but what makes people think we could pull him out of Oklahoma?

I mean, he's got them at superpower status the last many years.

Has he said anything regarding interest in ND ever before?

I just don't see him leaving his current situation unless he's tired of losing to Texas or something.

 

I live in Oklahoma the things we have going for us w/ Stoops are 1. he is catholic 2. he is from the midwest. 3. OU fans are fickle and are getting to the edge (4 loss season at least and bowl meltdowns) 4. sometimes a change is necessar???

 

I still don't see it happening - I think he is a great coach and would love it but it would be a hell of a move to get him.