Alabama got a proven head coach and now they are competing for a national title two years in a row. If ND could get a good coach with the talent ND has, then ND could be back. Until then, ND loses to syracuses, and NAVY's

Great post. ND would have more talent than Bama had when Saban took over. Weis obviously isnt the answer.

But they can take JUCOs! They're admission standards are so much lower!

 

CRAP.

Mt. Cody makes that team... he's a juco transfer who sadly would never be let into ND.

 

The DL is the one thing that this team needs from a talent perspective...

 

Today's display on the DL was horrific.

yea i wish ND could take JUCO's but ND has recruited pretty closely to Alabama. In fact, ND and Bama basically had the number 1 recruiting classes in 2008.

Alabama got a proven head coach and now they are competing for a national title two years in a row. If ND could get a good coach with the talent ND has, then ND could be back. Until then, ND loses to syracuses, and NAVY's

 

very dang good example irishndfan!

and by the way, we have a damn good talent pool and they're not from juco's. if you're making a point that saban and them are doing this by pulling out juco players, then we'll never have a chance for a national title again.

no, the point is that juco's plug gaps in your roster when you are rebuilding.

 

it's neither here nor there though, weis has had 5 years... even with the terrible depth he inherited, 5 years is enough to judge on ...

 

He better win out... or he will be out...

ND needs a proven winner, someone who allready has head coaching experience, someone who has allready coached in tough games. maybe a coach whos name rhymes with Shmurben Schmeyer

Bama can also load up with about 35 good recruits, gray shirting or not expecting to qualify some of them and still have a full class. We are barely able to scrap together full classes to compliment 85 schollies. Then there is the Juco route as well, which has helped them immensely, literally in Cody their DT.

 

A good coach can fire up a team, can teach basic fundamentals like blocking and tackling, and game plan. A good coach will not abandon the run when a little adversity is shown nor when you need to run out the game clock to keep it out of an opponents hands. A good coach will bench players who are blowing assignments or making unnecessary penalties that are really costing the team. A good coach will be able to recruit just fine because they are consistently winning and showing results on the field of a stable, winning program. We need a good coach.

I guess I don't understand. Do you want ND to be Alabama? Couldn't you just buy an Alabama sweatshirt and root for them instead? Notre Dame is different, they do things differently, they don't take JUCOs, they recruit a different type of student-athlete. If you want to be a fan of a college football team which wins every game, then its going to be tough to be an ND fan. Its only happened twice in the last 60 years.

that's a great point.

 

I am at texas now, but did ND undergrad. it's a really different experience...

 

there is a reason i still consider ND, MY TEAM... and that's a big part of it.

I guess I don't understand. Do you want ND to be Alabama? Couldn't you just buy an Alabama sweatshirt and root for them instead? Notre Dame is different, they do things differently, they don't take JUCOs, they recruit a different type of student-athlete. If you want to be a fan of a college football team which wins every game, then its going to be tough to be an ND fan. Its only happened twice in the last 60 years.

 

not saying we should lower standards in any way at all. i'm just saying that if people claim that juco players are difference makers and that certain coaches have taken advantage of this, then ND would never be able to fully compete... which is absurd. ND will compete and WITH higher standards. it's a matter of having a true college coach rather than an offensive coordinator

I guess I don't understand. Do you want ND to be Alabama? Couldn't you just buy an Alabama sweatshirt and root for them instead? Notre Dame is different, they do things differently, they don't take JUCOs, they recruit a different type of student-athlete. If you want to be a fan of a college football team which wins every game, then its going to be tough to be an ND fan. Its only happened twice in the last 60 years.

 

Yea ND doesnt take JUCO's but they still offer basically the top recruits every year, the same recruits Bama offers. Your disregarding the facts that ND should not be losing to teams like syracuse, navy, air force, north carolina, pitt. They wouldnt be losing these games if ND had a solid college football coach. Im not saying ND needs to be undefeated every year because it's impossible, I'm saying ND should be competing for BCS bowls every year, and every couple years competing for a national title. You don't need to go undefeated to compete or win a national title.

Not saying that I want ND to be Bama either, dread the thought. Saban is a good coach and has some extra perks at Bama that he can use to his advantage like Juco's and recruiting 35 players in a class knowing it doesn't matter if he gets all of them cleared because they'll still have full classes if 10 don't qualify.

 

I don't want ND to lower its restrictions to such a level as to be compared to the SEC in taking players who don't belong in college academically and give them fluff courses to keep them eligible for football, then never graduate them.

 

ND needs a good coach to return to our status with the Bamas, Florida's, SC's, Texa's, Oklahoma's of the college FB world.

I agree! We don't want to be Alabama, Florida, Texas, USC. We don't want to lower our standards to their level, yet we expect the same results. Does this make sense to you? The bottom-line (to me) is that the standards out-weigh the record. I would rather have a team that I can be proud of, which inexplicabally wins an NC every couple decades, than a run-of-the-mill football factory NC every few years.