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There is much debate on this site about CW's fate, both for and against him staying. This class is shaping up to be incredible (much like we all hoped for prior to the season but weren't sure we could actually get). Whether you like CW or not, he for whatever reasonhas been able to rech alot of the top level kids this year and convince them that ND is heading in the right direction.

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I think CW is getting us going in the right direction and say he shouldn't be fired.

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My question is this: If CW is able to bring in the class already committed, and adds Linder, James, Cooper, Barr, and maybe a big wildcard like Henderson, Joyner, or Prater, and say he wins 9 games, do the anti CW guys still want him fired if it means possibly breaking up this class?

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There are just people on this site that want CW fired, for what ever reason you can think of, they don't like his personality, he's overweight, he doesn't have a signature win (whatever the f*$k that is), they believe he not a great leader, they love Urban Meyer and Chip Kelly, they don't like the way he looks on the sideline, etc.........or any combination of the above.

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So, believe it or not, CW could bring in the top two players at every position and there will still be people who want him fired, its just how they are. They want the flavor of the week, and its not CW........

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Personally, I figure I will wait to see how the season plays out before I wil discuss his firing/retention, because anything before then just clutters up the forums. And in reality, I understand that no matter how I feel, the AD will do what he feels is in the best interest of the university.

I'd like to see us go 11-2(including a bowl win) and this all becomes a mute point

I would be ok with Charlie coming back if he were 9 and 3, but 8 and 4, not sure. I'd be having thoughts that maybe we'd be better off in a new direction if we had someone in mind and approached behind the scenes as a replacement that had the credentials to power up our football program. I don't see us losing two more games on this remaining schedule though. I feel we're as likely to go 10 & 2 as 9 & 3, with our biggest test against Pitt. I see heart and chemistry from this team and would absolutely hate to have to make a head coaching change.

I could understand last year if they wanted to fire him but my thought was that unless ND was awful this season that he should get 2 more seasons.

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ND has a monster offense but the defense is killing this team. There awful and it's so bad that it causes Weis from truly opening the offense.

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Weis should return but there needs to be major changes on defense and it's not the personal this time around. The defense has went backwards this season, last year they were missing playmakers and a D-line but this year it's been bad all over. The only positive has been Te'o and E. Johnson.

I could understand last year if they wanted to fire him but my thought was that unless ND was awful this season that he should get 2 more seasons.

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ND has a monster offense but the defense is killing this team. There awful and it's so bad that it causes Weis from truly opening the offense.

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Weis should return but there needs to be major changes on defense and it's not the personal this time around. The defense has went backwards this season, last year they were missing playmakers and a D-line but this year it's been bad all over. The only positive has been Te'o and E. Johnson.

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Agree...accept for Ethan Johnson...he hasn't made any plays of note. Ian Williams has been our best defensive lineman for the third year in a row. Brian Smith has also played well this year...

Agree...accept for Ethan Johnson...he hasn't made any plays of note. Ian Williams has been our best defensive lineman for the third year in a row. Brian Smith has also played well this last game...

Fixed it for ya

In my opinion, Ethan is still playing out of position. He still should be an end. He never get to use his speed.

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We're getting more talented on defense but we're still "small" across the board on D.

This is a crap thread, because it just produces responses like this:

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There are just people on this site that want CW fired, for what ever reason you can think of, they don't like his personality, he's overweight, he doesn't have a signature win (whatever the f*$k that is), they believe he not a great leader, they love Urban Meyer and Chip Kelly, they don't like the way he looks on the sideline, etc.........or any combination of the above.

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NONE of those reasons are why people are unhappy with the job performance so far. It has to do with the fact that the defense is horrible, the team plays down to its level of competition, pretty lackluster special teams play, and stupid penalties that constantly kill drives.

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Weis has built a great offense, and recruits well. But that's less than half the battle.

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As for your question, I would not want the fear of having decommits be the only reason why Weis keeps his job. In the long run, it doesn't matter how well you can recruit -- if you don't have the ability to coach up the players (I'm talking about the defense here), then it's pointless to keep bringing in four and five-star guys who don't produce results on the field.

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If Charlie Weis is to be our coach for many years into the future, I could care less if it's because he can recruit well. I want the reason for him to stay to be because he wins football games, and because his teams are well-coached and disciplined.

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I agree with what you guys are saying, and my question isn't focussed on the merrits of keeping / firing CW. That is much debated and there is no clear cut answer anyway. This question I pose is assuming a good year (ie 9-3), no major collapse.

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My question is with a great class shaping up, are the haters of CW willing to take the risk of losing recruits from this great class by firing CW?

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What is more important, this potentially awesome class, or getting rid of CW?

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I agree with what you guys are saying, and my question isn't focussed on the merrits of keeping / firing CW. That is much debated and there is no clear cut answer anyway. This question I pose is assuming a good year (ie 9-3), no major collapse.

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My question is with a great class shaping up, are the haters of CW willing to take the risk of losing recruits from this great class by firing CW?

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What is more important, this potentially awesome class, or getting rid of CW?

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I think 9-3 and his job is safe, unless he drops a fourth game in the bowl and it's a blowout.

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I don't think many people would want CW fired if he finishes 9-3 but goes to the Gator Bowl and wins.

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However, if he drops games to Pitt and another team like Syracuse last year, he will find it hard to garner support, and recruits would probably start jumping ship regardless.

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If this team looks like it's no more prepared to take it to the next level with Weis at the helm, and they finish the season poorly, I don't care about the recruits.

NONE of those reasons are why people are unhappy with the job performance so far.

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With all due respect, your wrong..........everyone of those reason has been brought up on this board.

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And just so everyone know's CW is the head coach at ND, that means he is ultimately responsible for the performance of his team on the field and in the classroom.......If you work for a larger company, the CEO of the company you work for is ultimately responsible for the performance of your company, that doesn't mean that they know/understand every aspect of the inner-workings of the company, thats why they hire managers/directors - they are just responsible.

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AT ND CW has hire two people to take care of the defense, because he realizes that is not his specialty, and he has hired who he believed would be the best people to manage that aspect of the game. See below....

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http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brown_corwin00.html

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http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tenuta_jon00.html

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If people want to complain about the defense, plaese make sure your bring the two names mentioned above. I cannot believe that people still complain about CW and the defense in the same sentence. He doesn't coach the defense, he probably rarely, if ever attends defensive meetings, he doesn't pick the line-ups, he doesn't pick which players to recruit for defense, thats what Brown and Tenuta were hired to do.

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So if you want to complain about the defense, complain about Brown and Tenuta, not CW. If you want to complain about the offense, then you can throw Weis, Verducci, Alford, into the fire.

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well said fanatic and coach, I agree. Let CW make changes to the defensive staff like he did with the o line and rb coaches and then see how we do.

With all due respect, your wrong..........everyone of those reason has been brought up on this board.

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They've been brought up as of late, but no one would have problems that you listed if he was doing a better job.

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And just so everyone know's CW is the head coach at ND, that means he is ultimately responsible for the performance of his team on the field and in the classroom.......If you work for a larger company, the CEO of the company you work for is ultimately responsible for the performance of your company, that doesn't mean that they know/understand every aspect of the inner-workings of the company, thats why they hire managers/directors - they are just responsible.

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You're right, but a few things.

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1. He's had defensive coordinators, and all three have struggled.

2. Where does the buck stop? If he's the CEO, and the company's performance is suffering, eventually you have to blame the guy at the top.

3. He was ultimately responsible for the hiring of the defensive coordinators. You can't continue to blame the guys he hired, but not the guy who was responsible for giving them the job.

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The blame for the defense isn't entirely on him, but he's still the head coach -- IT'S STILL ON HIM.

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AT ND CW has hire two people to take care of the defense, because he realizes that is not his specialty, and he has hired who he believed would be the best people to manage that aspect of the game. See below....

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http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brown_corwin00.html

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http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tenuta_jon00.html

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And again, both those men have struggled. The man who chose them to lead his defense should be responsible for those failings -- yet for some reason, lots of people don't want him to be. See below.

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If people want to complain about the defense, plaese make sure your bring the two names mentioned above. I cannot believe that people still complain about CW and the defense in the same sentence. He doesn't coach the defense, he probably rarely, if ever attends defensive meetings, he doesn't pick the line-ups, he doesn't pick which players to recruit for defense, thats what Brown and Tenuta were hired to do.

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Hmmm. He doesn't pick the lineups? He doesn't attend defensive meetings? He doesn't pick which players to recruit for defense? Then why are we paying him to be the head coach?

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All those things you just listed are responsibilities of a head football coach. So either Charlie is 1.) not doing the things you listed and is not fulfilling his duties as a head football coach, or 2.) he's doing the things you say he doesn't do, and is incompetent.

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I actually disagree with you -- the things you listed, Charlie absolutely does. He absolutely attends defensive meetings, picks line ups, chooses which players to recruit on the defensive side of the football. If he doesn't, that's an absolute and complete failure to meet the responsibility of the duties that fall upon the head coach, and someone else who CAN do those jobs (as well as the job he does on offense) should be brought in.

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So if you want to complain about the defense, complain about Brown and Tenuta, not CW. If you want to complain about the offense, then you can throw Weis, Verducci, Alford, into the fire.

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This is an incompetent statement to say the least.

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Charlie Weis is a head football coach.

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His duties include not only offense, but defense, special teams, recruiting, meeting with boosters, and other responsibilities.

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You can't say that he isn't to blame for the performance of the football team under his watch, just because you want it to fit your argument. His duties don't stop at just the offensive side of the football simply because he named himself offensive coordinator. His duties encompass more than that, something that many people on this board fail to comprehend.

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So yes, if the defense continues to suck harder than a vacuum cleaner in a black hole, I WILL blame Charlie Weis. And rightfully so.

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and you still refuse to blame the def coaches.......wow :ohwell:

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How is it CW sits in on the def meetings when he is the OC and the off/def meetings are held at the same time ?

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So if you want to complain about the defense, complain about Brown and Tenuta, not CW. If you want to complain about the offense, then you can throw Weis, Verducci, Alford, into the fire.

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Weis is the HC baby.. its all on him.. its up to him to evaluate the managers and choose good ones, if he was CEO he would have been fired long ago. You cant honestly say that this D doesnt fall on Weis.. He is the HC not just an OC.. a 4.2 million HC!!!

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