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Yeah, I know this is going to ruffle some feathers. However, when he continues to give evidence to my view, I feel inclined to point it out: Charlie is not a good game manager, and that is why we will never have an elite team with him as a HC. It has nothing to do with defense, injuries, or whatever else is offered as an excuse.

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I was unable to watch the 1st half, but from the stats and replays at halftime, I was very impressed and encouraged with Charlie's gameplan in those circumstances and had a glimmer of hope that maybe....maybe he might get it. Through the 3rd qtr., Purdue had adjusted but we still had the 11 point lead at with 2 minutes left in the 3rd. That's when Charlie proved again he hasn't learned:

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- 4th and 10 on the opponents side of the field. Out of field goal range but in the 'gray' area on punting. (Well, it's gray if it's 4th and 2 and you have Clausen taking the snaps) The defense is holding their own and Crist hasn't been asked to do anything significant with his arm. What to do? PUNT. It seemed like such an easy decision. This is how you win football games when you don't have your best guys: field position and defense.

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Not Charlie. He decides instead to ask Crist to throw for a 1st down. Result? Sack, turnover on downs and all momentum gone. Purdue scores and thus begins the wild 4th qtr.

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- In the 4th qtr., when Charlie correctly determined Crist couldn't move the team anymore, he correctly brought back in Clausen. It was our second to last drive, still up by 3. On 2nd down, Charlie calls a 5-wide formation and puts Clausen in the shotgun. Are you serious? Clausen is about as mobile as Drew Bledsoe with that toe injury and Charlie determines this is the best way for him to succeed - to offer no additional blockers? Just hold up a sign that says: "Please Blitz Now". Clausen is in fact sacked, the drive fails and Purdue takes the punt and goes down and scores.

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Clausen and the team as a whole showed a lot of guts coming back. The D had one LARGE breakdown on the late TD but otherwise looked better. But this coach refuses to put his team in the best position to win the game. Field position, clock management (burning 2 timeouts needlessly in the 2nd half), and play-calling are all things coaches are depended upon to put the team in a position to win. Charlie simply does not do these things and therefore is not a good HC. With Weis as HC, I see ND continuing to struggle with Purdue's and Michigan State's of the world. His 5th year is cementing what was feared in previous years- Weis can't get it done.

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well defcon, i pretty much agree with your assessment here. just to add, it seems that CW assumes that these kids are going to execute like a group of veteran NFLers and comes off like looking like a riverboat gambler. if there is an overall criticism that can be levied, i would say that it is weis' disconnect with the reality of college football ...........and yes, you are right, you punt in that situation...........................

well defcon, i pretty much agree with your assessment here. just to add, it seems that CW assumes that these kids are going to execute like a group of veteran NFLers and comes off like looking like a riverboat gambler. if there is an overall criticism that can be levied, i would say that it is weis' disconnect with the reality of college football ...........and yes, you are right, you punt in that situation...........................

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You are quite right about his assumption he is working with veteran NFL players. I think everyone sort was in a agreement this was a problem for Charlie starting off and there would be a learning curve. It's amazing and indefensible that this is still an issue with him. Weis has not improved on this or game management in general in his tenure as HC.

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He's getting better IMO...

Funny, I remember ty getting killed for punting from the opponents 35 against BC in 2004.

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Can't please everyone!!

Charlie should hire an offensive co-ordinator, it's becoming very obvious that his play calling is increasing suspect. The 4th and 10, was call was boneheaded and nearly cost us the game. I'd be very interested in how he explains that decision. There was a nice mix in the first half with the running plays, but I'm getting tired of Charlie's gunslinger go for it personna on fourth downs that have a low percentage of success.

Funny, I remember ty getting killed for punting from the opponents 35 against BC in 2004.

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Can't please everyone!!

my feeble old brain doesn't remember the specifics of that situation jason, but i do know that last night we needed to pin them back...............

I don't agree with everything CW did last night including the decision not to punt. However, he also did a lot of great things last night. Putting Golden in the wildcat and at running back was genius, and a huge part of ND pulling out this win.

Yeah, I'm surprised if I haven't read anyone think that we should put Golden at RB before. If all of us diehards were surprised to see that, I'm sure Purdue was too. I'm surprised we didn't do more of that in the 3rd quarter.

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I don't know if punting at 35 is the right call but maybe a FG? Tausch hit 47 with ease two weeks ago so you gotta think he can do 52. Maybe it was too close for comfort.

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If we're going to complain about 4th downs, I would complain more about the first drive where we passed on a 40ish yard FG to go for it with a draw.

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Either way, our offense was pretty creative last night w/ the Crist/Tate/Riddick packages. We scored 24 points while playing without our #1 WR, RB, FB, and most of the game w/out Jimmy.

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I thought the game plan was great given the lack of all those playmakers.

Yeah we can complain about the fourth down play. But what coach since LOU can you say 'take away 80-90% of our offensive production (some of the best production in the country) and we will still plan and scheme with what we have and win that game.' When have we had this much talent in with our back ups at ND? I havent seen it since lou. And that bodes well for Charlie Weis. (Oh yeah these are the games we all complained about not winning last year!) GO IRISH!:mrgreen:

You HAVE completed your resume, glossed over it to make sure all your coaching

experiences are well documented; you HAVE sent it registered with a return receipt

request to the University of Notre Dame Administration, Attention: Notre Dame Althletic Director Mr. Jack Swarbrick. Correct??? Lets cut the chase, show me!

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The Notre Dame Administration would be insane to terminate Coach Weis.

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The concessions the administration would have to make to a *new hire* would give them unabated gastric convulsions. Try total control over his team and recruitment; academic scrutiny would be a thing of the past, not just 2 proposition 48 players…but unlimited JUCO recruitment, disciplinary action by anyone other than the athletic department would cease and desist. These conditions and many more would have to be in writing before a new coach would even think about signing. Plus, a very hefty monetary contract, with bonus incentives for consecutive games won, shutouts, and bowel appearances and bowel victories. I feel the cumulative evidence indicates the ND Administration is not idiopathic or willing to embark on such a ridiculous venture regardless of what a fan base thinks.

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You and I viewed different games; I saw Coach Weis constantly forcing the defense and offense out of a comfort zone and grab gravel to overcome. I viewed a game where Coach Weis knew he could beat Purdue with Clausen in; so why not experiment in real time with different schemes, brilliant decision. He’s forcing a team into the *thought envelope of total focus/concentration and precise execution* one play at a time for 60 minutes. A game winning strategy; a breakdown: Kyle McCarthy being out of position on Purdue’s last TD; something the young man won’t forget. It’s not enough to train and play to compete, they are being taught to play and win regardless of the conditions they have to face.

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How many teams pull the #1 QB, play their #2 man, run all kinds of wildcat formations for 2 plus quarters and still win the game in the last drive. Purdues’ TO wasn’t a fluke, it was made to insure their assignments were understood, they believed they could go one on one, stuff the box and blitz. Did anyone observer the side line when Coach Weis went ballistic over Clausen’s sack on that drive; on the last play they rose to the occasion, executed, Clausen had time, game over.

Either way, our offense was pretty creative last night w/ the Crist/Tate/Riddick packages. We scored 24 points while playing without our #1 WR, RB, FB, and most of the game w/out Jimmy.

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I thought the game plan was great given the lack of all those playmakers.

I gave credit where credit is due on my opening post. This doesn't change the fact that the calls like the 4th down call and empty backfield with an injured Clausen are the norm in the Weis era.

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No matter how much scheming or talent you have, if you can't manage the game you will eventually beat yourself. Weis refuses to learn this lesson and ND won't be a dominant football team unless their HC puts them in position to succeed. Period.

It was #72 who was wiffing his blocks and allowing Purdue to climb all over Jimmys back. Plus others.

Yeah we can complain about the fourth down play. But what coach since LOU can you say 'take away 80-90% of our offensive production (some of the best production in the country) and we will still plan and scheme with what we have and win that game.' When have we had this much talent in with our back ups at ND? I havent seen it since lou. And that bodes well for Charlie Weis. (Oh yeah these are the games we all complained about not winning last year!) GO IRISH!:mrgreen:

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So our depth overcame our coaching along with a lesser opponent. It's amazing what passes as an acceptable state of ND football.

You HAVE completed your resume, glossed over it to make sure all your coaching

experiences are well documented; you HAVE sent it registered with a return receipt

request to the University of Notre Dame Administration, Attention: Notre Dame Althletic Director Mr. Jack Swarbrick. Correct??? Lets cut the chase, show me!

Ah, yes. Any criticism of the coach automatically means that I'm the self-claimed answer to the problem. That's a strawman argument that never gets old....

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The Notre Dame Administration would be insane to terminate Coach Weis.

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The concessions the administration would have to make to a *new hire* would give them unabated gastric convulsions. Try total control over his team and recruitment; academic scrutiny would be a thing of the past, not just 2 proposition 48 players…but unlimited JUCO recruitment, disciplinary action by anyone other than the athletic department would cease and desist. These conditions and many more would have to be in writing before a new coach would even think about signing. Plus, a very hefty monetary contract, with bonus incentives for consecutive games won, shutouts, and bowel appearances and bowel victories. I feel the cumulative evidence indicates the ND Administration is not idiopathic or willing to embark on such a ridiculous venture regardless of what a fan base thinks.

This is pure speculation. ND is not an undesirable place to coach though you make it sound like we're Syracuse or Washington State.

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You and I viewed different games; I saw Coach Weis constantly forcing the defense and offense out of a comfort zone and grab gravel to overcome. I viewed a game where Coach Weis knew he could beat Purdue with Clausen in; so why not experiment in real time with different schemes, brilliant decision. He’s forcing a team into the *thought envelope of total focus/concentration and precise execution* one play at a time for 60 minutes. A game winning strategy; a breakdown: Kyle McCarthy being out of position on Purdue’s last TD; something the young man won’t forget. It’s not enough to train and play to compete, they are being taught to play and win regardless of the conditions they have to face.
If anyone thinks this is actually Weis' thinking and is still a fan of Weis, all the Kool-Aid in the world is gone. I would suggest Weis made the 4th down call because he thought (incorrectly) the reward was greater than the risk . In any case, I'm certainly not accusing him of manipulating game situations to produce dramatic comebacks because he "knows" he can. That is just a ridiculous idea and I find it sad that you appear to believe that is the case.

I've seen Jonas make the mistakes but Hughes looked impressive last night. Allen and Hughes should be starting with Jonas sitting it out until he learns how to pick up a blitz an hang on to the ball.

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As far as people on here being happy about last night's win, I think we as fans have started accepting mediocrity. CW can still make it a great year by winning every game but he better make some better decisions. He has great talent but winning close games against MSU and Purdue isn't going to cut it.

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