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very misinformed article. best DL Weis has had in his time at ND? 05 had Laws, Landri Abiamiri, and Frome. 3 of them are in the NFL right now, and the fourth atleast played significantly. 2 of the current spring DL haven't even played yet, another is coming off a sophomore slump, and the final one is only a true sophomore (with a world of upside).

 

Also, Brian Smith wasn't a freshman last year and by most accounts the offense didn't "look crisp" in the scrimmage, yes for a variety of reasons.

 

Beating Hawaii isn't as impressive as everyone would like it to be. KLM and EJ aren't an upgrade of "speed" at DE. And no one said Manti Teo is "likely to start at strongside LB"

 

 

I honestly don't know why we pay attention to sources like The Sporting News when we could write more detailed and accurate articles ourselves (actually I do: boredom). Plus they are one of the few media outlets that actually still sweats us hard (them, Lemming, and our boy Beano Cook).

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very misinformed article. best DL Weis has had in his time at ND? 05 had Laws, Landri Abiamiri, and Frome. 3 of them are in the NFL right now, and the fourth atleast played significantly. 2 of the current spring DL haven't even played yet, another is coming off a sophomore slump, and the final one is only a true sophomore (with a world of upside).

 

Also, Brian Smith wasn't a freshman last year and by most accounts the offense didn't "look crisp" in the scrimmage, yes for a variety of reasons.

 

Beating Hawaii isn't as impressive as everyone would like it to be. KLM and EJ aren't an upgrade of "speed" at DE. And no one said Manti Teo is "likely to start at strongside LB"

 

 

I honestly don't know why we pay attention to sources like The Sporting News when we could write more detailed and accurate articles ourselves (actually I do: boredom). Plus they are one of the few media outlets that actually still sweats us hard (them, Lemming, and our boy Beano Cook).

 

Well Chris, at least it's something positive instead of the flow of negative bullsh*t we hear ALL the time from the media.

 

I don't mind alittle "positive" now and then, even if it has the aftertaste of a little Koolaid.

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the 05 line had only 3 good players in the entire two deep--- not to be unkind but frome was not very good----abriamri was good enough to get drafted and play in the nfl BUT-- he was always double teamed because of frome-- he got very very few sacks coming off the DE spot---- and to be frank i like EJ,s first two steps much more then Victors---true it was hard to run up the middle on laws and landri--- but lets face it QBs in 05 and 06 had all day to throw-- penetration was not very good--and depth--- frome- dwight stevensen-- justin brown- ronald talley-- i mean its no wonder our 3 good players got so tired-- in 09 i like the youth- i love the depth- the rotations will be key-- and EJ will be terrific-- if KLM can match him watch out----- i would wager EJ and KLM will have more combined sacks then Victor and Chris Frome!

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very misinformed article. best DL Weis has had in his time at ND? 05 had Laws, Landri Abiamiri, and Frome. 3 of them are in the NFL right now, and the fourth atleast played significantly. 2 of the current spring DL haven't even played yet, another is coming off a sophomore slump, and the final one is only a true sophomore (with a world of upside).

 

Also, Brian Smith wasn't a freshman last year and by most accounts the offense didn't "look crisp" in the scrimmage, yes for a variety of reasons.

 

Beating Hawaii isn't as impressive as everyone would like it to be. KLM and EJ aren't an upgrade of "speed" at DE. And no one said Manti Teo is "likely to start at strongside LB"

 

 

I honestly don't know why we pay attention to sources like The Sporting News when we could write more detailed and accurate articles ourselves (actually I do: boredom). Plus they are one of the few media outlets that actually still sweats us hard (them, Lemming, and our boy Beano Cook).

 

actually, not misinformed at all...he said there's more "athelticism" than in any of Weis' previous 4 year. and I believe that's true. Besides Abiamiri, the entire DL are athletic freaksm and now they just need experience and to prove their worth.

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Im hoping someone will produce an article saying ND will suck again. Then they can swoop in under the radar. Plus it showes how stupid some of these writers are.

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tchris... matt hayes said that Weis had it's most ATHLETIC DL.. not best DL.

 

a subtle, but important, distinction... IMO

 

Laws, Landri, and Abiamiri all posessed elite athleticism. In fact, if we still had landri when Corwin came in and switched to the 3-4 he would have been a freak DE in that system.

 

Abiamiri had a similiar freshman year to EJ's and he did it when there was more experience on the roster than we had last year. So that's atleast a push and IMO not even a push when comparing EJ has a soph and Victor as a senior.

 

The only other somewhat proven entity on the DL is Fleming who isn't even going to be on the DL full time but who I do think provides more pure "athleticism" than other DE's in Weis's tenure. Kerry Neal is still a ? to me.

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This isn't the most athletic line under Weis.

 

Obviously, Weis didn't recruit that line with Abiamiri, Frome, etc, which might be what the writer was getting at, but I doubt it.

 

I don't think its fair to draw parallels between EJ and Abiamiri as freshman. Other than the accolades coming in, I'm not sure they're that similar. EJ played a glorified defensive tackle role as a frosh, while Abiamiri obviously played at end, and with that were inherent weight differences (about 20-30 more pounds on EJ's frame). That said, we might see a lot more of EJ on the outside this year, so things may change on that perspective.

 

I lean towards chris on this argument. I might end up going with "push" in the end, because there is more athletic depth to this line than the 05 group had, but whatever "gains" we have in depth and maybe KLM over Frome are negated to me by the DTs - that tandem was pretty good and quick on their feet.

 

This whole argument is a moot point though until we see the grid iron action next fall.

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This isn't the most athletic line under Weis.

 

Obviously, Weis didn't recruit that line with Abiamiri, Frome, etc, which might be what the writer was getting at, but I doubt it.

 

I don't think its fair to draw parallels between EJ and Abiamiri as freshman. Other than the accolades coming in, I'm not sure they're that similar. EJ played a glorified defensive tackle role as a frosh, while Abiamiri obviously played at end, and with that were inherent weight differences (about 20-30 more pounds on EJ's frame). That said, we might see a lot more of EJ on the outside this year, so things may change on that perspective.

 

I lean towards chris on this argument. I might end up going with "push" in the end, because there is more athletic depth to this line than the 05 group had, but whatever "gains" we have in depth and maybe KLM over Frome are negated to me by the DTs - that tandem was pretty good and quick on their feet.

 

This whole argument is a moot point though until we see the grid iron action next fall.

 

 

i disagree with both you and chris on this. first of all, if were gonna talk turkey here, victor was somewhat of an under-achiever during the course of his career at ND. considering the flashes he showed of dominating at times (especially early), he should've been more consistently dominant. landri was good but was a late bloomer, relatively speaking.

 

now, i think you're right in saying we have to take a bit of "wait and see" attitude on the present group, as we haven't seen hafis and KLM play a down yet but when one adds fleming to the mix, it seems hard to argue that this line won't be the most athletic of weis' tenure.

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Beating Hawaii isn't as impressive as everyone would like it to be.

 

says who? you? ya know, i'm tired of hearing this horseshite. i'm sorry, exactly how many bowl games did we win prior to beating hawaii? oh, btw, it was a HOME game for our opponent as well. in the same stadium where teams better than us like cinncy and FLA did not do as well as we did. JC set records, the D sacked the qb. i could go on. but i'll just finish by pointing out what it showed about a young team when faced with the adversity of coming off the worse home loss in some time and bouncing back with a dominating performance in a locale were teams frequently lose focus and then lose the allgame.

 

now, maybe all that stuff doesn't mean much to you but if it doesn't then i wonder how much you really know about football and how much you care about ND football...

 

 

sorry for the rant but this topic burns my bunions...

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says who? you? ya know, i'm tired of hearing this horseshite. i'm sorry, exactly how many bowl games did we win prior to beating hawaii? oh, btw, it was a HOME game for our opponent as well. in the same stadium where teams better than us like cinncy and FLA did not do as well as we did. JC set records, the D sacked the qb. i could go on. but i'll just finish by pointing out what it showed about a young team when faced with the adversity of coming off the worse home loss in some time and bouncing back with a dominating performance in a locale were teams frequently lose focus and then lose the allgame.

 

now, maybe all that stuff doesn't mean much to you but if it doesn't then i wonder how much you really know about football and how much you care about ND football...

 

 

sorry for the rant but this topic burns my bunions...

 

From John Walter's on bluegraysky on the end of our season:

 

"And the Irish had just ended the season having lost five of their last seven, the lone wins coming against winless Washington and a Navy squad who came within one play of redefining ignominy in South Bend."

 

Hawaii sucks (sorry hawaii irish if you have any secondary allegiance there). They lost badly to Utah State. I like how 1 win over a shitty opponent washes away our memory of another embarassing blowout loss to our biggest rivals on national television and an even more embarassing loss to a god awful syracuse team at home.

 

The fact that it was a bowl game (one that in era's past we would have been insulted to even be asked to) only makes it better so that ESPN will stop repeatedly ripping ND's bowl history to impressionable young potential recruits. And because i think it means Charlie didn't completely lose his players.

 

Other than that, my optimism for next year (and yes, I am optimistic) is not based on the fact that i now know we have the ability to beat teams like Hawaii. It's because of the maturing talent on the roster and coaching changes (Tenuta calling plays on D with our secondary has the potential for greatness, even with a suspect DL)

 

Just saying, I don't think Utah State fans are expecting to go 11-1 next year.

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From John Walter's on bluegraysky on the end of our season:

 

"And the Irish had just ended the season having lost five of their last seven, the lone wins coming against winless Washington and a Navy squad who came within one play of redefining ignominy in South Bend."

 

(Tonight we're very pleased to have John Walters joining us as a guest blogger on BGS. "J-Dub", as you probably know, is a veteran sportswriter -- and Notre Dame grad -- who has written extensively for NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, and other publications. I asked John if there was anything else bio-wise I should mention in my introduction, and he told me that he was also voted "3rd most affable" in his high school class, but that these days he is no longer nearly as affable. John's going to poke his head in here at BGS from time to time, so stay tuned. Please give him a hearty welcome. Take it away, John...)

 

 

 

 

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When the New York Yankees won their first World Series under Joe Torre in 1996, the lede to the Sports Illustrated piece on their triumph began, "Destiny ends in 'NY'."

 

Thirteen years later, after Southern California routed Notre Dame in the Los Angeles Coliseum, 38-3 (the nadir: Trojan fans give the Irish a standing ovation after ND records its initial first down on the final play of the 3rd quarter), you could have written, "Moribund ends in 'ND'."

 

Granted, the Trojans boasted a once-in-a-generation defense (possibly six future NFL first-rounders), but Notre Dame was held below 100 yards in total offense. Head coach Charlie Weis' future in South Bend seemed at best a coin flip. And the Irish had just ended the season having lost five of their last seven, the lone wins coming against winless Washington and a Navy squad who came within one play of redefining ignominy in South Bend.

 

But you know all that.

 

What happened next, however, provides a blueprint for how the Irish offense should operate in 2009. Notre Dame ventured to the sublime sands of Honolulu and pummeled Hawaii, 49-21. In doing so, they rediscovered who they are under Weis.

 

The Irish put up their greatest point total (49), greatest yardage total (478) and greatest passing offense total (413 yards) since Brady Quinn (heretofore BQQB) was directing the offense. Quarterback Jimmy Clausen stepped up to a new plateau completing nearly 88% of his passes (22 of 26) and throwing five touchdowns and no interceptions. Even more promising for the Irish, seven different receivers caught two or more passes. Not since Chuck Noland (i.e., Tom Hanks) met Wilson has a mainlander had such a ball, with a ball, on a tropical island while in the process discovering his true self.

 

Notre Dame, under Charlie Weis, is a passing offense. And it should be. While Weis has paid lip service to having a balanced attack more times than, well, certainly more times than Asaph Schwaap ever carried the ball, the Irish would be better served if the pendulum swung even further in the direction of the passing game. Here are just a few reasons why:

 

1) You put your best weapons on the field, and the Irish have never had such an arsenal. Barring injury, the current corps of receivers at Notre Dame will be remembered as, without question, the most prolific group in school history. Last season Michael Floyd caught 48 passes -- despite missing three games due to injury -- beating the school record for freshmen by 50%. And the player whose record he topped, Duval Kamara (32 in '07) is only beginning his junior season this year. Tight end Kyle Rudolph caught 29 passes, which must be a record for a frosh tight end in South Bend since when does a freshman ever start at that position for the Irish?

 

Floyd, Kamara, Rudolph. All set freshman receiving records, none has yet to play as an upperclassmen and yet...and yet, none of the three are the team's top returning receiver. That would be Golden Tate, who caught 58 passes a year ago. Tate, besides being the team's deep threat, has the most magical hands since Derrick Mayes.

 

Jeff Samardzija, Notre Dame's all-time receptions leader (both career, 179, and single-season, 78) caught 24 passes his first two seasons in South Bend. Twenty-four, in two years. Floyd, Kamara and Rudolph all caught more passes as freshmen. And Tate, after two seasons, has 64 catches.

 

And I haven't even mentioned Armando Allen yet. The spry tailback caught 24 passes in his freshman year and has 74 catches in two seasons. In terms of career numbers, Allen is the Irish's top returning receiver.

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2) Do the math. You need five offensive lineman. You need one passer. That leaves five other positions on the field. Who is going to help the Irish score points and move chains better than the five players--Floyd, Kamara, Rudolph, Tate and Allen--just mentioned? Steve Paskorz? If you were an opposing defensive coordinator, wouldn't you rather see anyone other than Tate or Allen with the ball in their hands coming out of the backfield?

 

3) Have you seen the opposition? Students of recent Irish gridiron history know just how seamlessly an offense transitions with a first-year starter at quarterback. Five of the first seven opponents on Notre Dame's 2009 itinerary -- Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, USC and Boston College -- are essentially breaking in new starters under center.

 

Nevada, the home- and season-opener on Sept. 6, has an excellent and unorthodox offensive attack, but you'd have to believe that after last September's near-debacle versus San Diego State that the Irish will not come out flat (also, there's the burning desire to rinse the aftertaste from the last two games played at Notre Dame Stadium, come-from-ahead losses to Pitt and Syracuse). The other foe of the first seven with a returning starter is U-Dub and future first-rounder Jake Locker.

 

Anyway, what better defense to throw at such callow offensive attacks than an offense that races out to a 21-0 first-half lead? The 2009 Irish offense could, and should, resemble that of the 2005 group. And if that happens, the Irish defense can play from the vantage of a double-digit lead in the first half, which may compel opposing offenses to throw more than they might want to, which leads me point No. 4...

 

4) The Irish secondary. Clearly, for the second year in a row, the secondary will be the most formidable unit of the Irish defense. In cornerbacks Darrin Walls, Robert Blanton and Raeshon McNeil the Irish are stacked. Strong safety Kyle McCarthy led the Irish in tackles with 110 (and was the defense's most pleasant surprise) while Harrison Smith moves to his natural position of free safety. Smith, by the way, is the defense's leading returner in tackles (57) after McCarthy. The highly crankable Sergio Brown will play plenty at safety or nickel, as well, and demonstrated a knack for being a playmaker in '08.

 

Notre Dame's secondary is its primary defensive weapon. Putting opponents into passing mode plays right into what the Irish should want to do (ask Javon Ringer and LeSean McCoy).

 

5) How'd that short-yardage rush work, anyway? How many times do we need to see the Irish fail on a must-have short-yardage rush to know that they just don't roll that way? Travis Thomas on the final play against Navy in '07? The Irish had 2nd-and-goal at the 3 in the first overtime versus Pitt last October and lost a yard on a rush--on what seemed to be the exact same play, in nearly the exact same spot--by Armando Allen.

 

Asaph Schwapp, the primary fullback the past three years, was an incredibly hard-working and selfless fullback (the latter is by definition a job requirement at the position in the Weis era). In his final three seasons Schwap had 17 carries for 31 yards.

 

There'll never be another Asaph Schwapp at Notre Dame. I mean, it's quite an original name. There may never be another Asaph Schwapp anywhere. But if the Irish find themselves facing 4th-and-inches in '09, I'd rather them line up five-wide and see what a little game of pitch-and-catch will yield.

 

You can knock Charlie Weis for a lot of things the past couple of years, but give him these few things: the man accepts the blame; when it comes to phsyical pain, he's no whiner; and he understands the passing game.

 

Three of the top four passing seasons in Irish history have taken place during the four years Weis has been at the helm in South Bend (2005, 330.3 ypg; 2006, 264.08 ypg, 2008, 245.4 ypg). The one non-Weis season of the top four was 1970, when Joe Theismann and Tom Gatewood led the Irish to a 252.7 yards per game average, the pre-Weis gold standard at teh Golden Dome.

 

The one year that the Irish were subpar in the passing game was, of course, '07, when Weis was breaking eight to nine new starters on offense. We can grant him amnesty on that season, no?

 

Check out these numbers for the Irish's top three receivers in each of Weis' four seasons:

 

2005: Samardzija, Maurice Stovall and Anthony Fasano all have at least 47 receptions and as a trio total 193. The Irish finish "9-3 is not good enough".

 

2006: Samardzija, Rhema McKnight and Darius Walker all have at least 56 receptions and total 201 catches among the three. The Irish finish 10-3.

 

2008: Though the Irish stumble to a 7-6 mark, Golden Tate, Armando Allen and Michael Floyd all catch at least 48 passes and total 156 passes. The difference between '08 and the '05 and '06 seasons. The players mentioned in '05 and '06 were all upperclassmen catching passes thrown by an upperclassman QB throwing behind an experienced line. Tate, Allen and Floyd were all underclassmen catching passes thrown by an underclassman QB playing behind an inexperienced line.

My point? I will be surprised if the 2009 Irish are do not go down as the most prolific passing team in school history...until 2010.

 

What about Robert Hughes and James Aldridge and Jonas Gray (a.k.a., "the Jonas brother")? Surely, you cannot win without a solid rushing attack, right? After all, in all six of Notre Dame's losses last season the Irish failed to top 90 yards rushing (they gained 115 in the 4 OT loss to Pitt, but 25 after regulation). On the other hand ("On the other hand, you have different fingers..."), the Irish had only 65 yards rushing in the offensive explosion versus Hawaii.

 

There may be a cosmetic value to seeing a balanced offense, in terms of rushing and passing yards, on the stat sheet. However, if you think of the signature runs of the Weis era, those big gainers by Darius Walker or Armando Allen or Golden Tate, most have come on either swing passes or end-arounds. In fact, I'm happy to be corrected, but I believe the longest rush from scrimmage during the Weis era was undertaken by none other than BQQB (60 yards versus USC in '06).

 

Meanwhile, the Irish averaged 34.6 pass attempts per game in '05, 35.9 attempts in '06 and 33.8 attempts last season. Wouldn't you like to see what they might be able to accomplish averaging closer to 40 attempts per game in '09? And if that means bringing in Dayne Crist for a series or two each game, why not?

 

Two final thoughts:

 

. Not yet mentioned, though they should be: Robby Parris, Deion Walker and John Goodman are all talented. Laugh at me if you want, but with his size (6-4, 210) and hands I won't be surprised if Parris makes an NFL roster in 2010. Walker has size (6-2) and speed. And in the 20 minutes the media is afforded to watch the beginning of practice, I've always been impressed with the flat-out effort Goodman (who is 6-3) gives in every drill.

 

What I'd love to see in '09 is this trio working extensively with Dayne Crist (do you really believe for a moment that a healthy Clausen won't be starting against the Wolfpack?). And I'd love to see Weis bring them in as a unit for a series or two in each game. Although, Parris particularly belongs in the rotation every bit as much as Kamara (and, yes, I've neglected to mention George West, but he is at best the fifth-best wideout on this unit).

 

. If you look at the postseason awards the past two years you'll notice that no Notre Dame player has even been named as an honorable mention All-American. That drought ends in 2009. And if you had to pick a player who ends it, the nod here is that it will either be Clausen or someone on the receiving end of his throws.

 

And, finally, the SI writer who penned "Destiny ends in 'NY''"? That was Tom Verducci, whose older brother Frank is Notre Dame's new O-line coach.

 

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Hawaii sucks (sorry hawaii irish if you have any secondary allegiance there). They lost badly to Utah State. I like how 1 win over a shitty opponent washes away our memory of another embarassing blowout loss to our biggest rivals on national television and an even more embarassing loss to a god awful syracuse team at home.

 

- i like how you degenerate our own team for showing some guts in the face of adversity. you remind me of ESPN, actually. you bitch up a storm about when we lose to "inferior" opponents and then when we smack an "inferior opponent" down, you point out we should've. in point of fact, how is your attitude *any* different from the national press? sound like the same "damned if we do, damned if we don't" treatment ND always gets...

 

 

 

The fact that it was a bowl game (one that in era's past we would have been insulted to even be asked to) only makes it better so that ESPN will stop repeatedly ripping ND's bowl history to impressionable young potential recruits. And because i think it means Charlie didn't completely lose his players.

 

 

- what a surprise! you minimize our breaking that bowl losing streak, then mention ESPN ripping us. kettle meet the pot...

 

 

 

Other than that, my optimism for next year (and yes, I am optimistic) is not based on the fact that i now know we have the ability to beat teams like Hawaii. It's because of the maturing talent on the roster and coaching changes (Tenuta calling plays on D with our secondary has the potential for greatness, even with a suspect DL)

 

- well, i would agree with you about the reasons for your supposed optimism. but how can the bowl victory not add to it? i love how you really didn't address any of my points. the FACT is we beat hawaii worse than the NATIONAL CHAMPS did and worse than top 25 cinny did. you can point to utah st. 'til your blue in the face but it doesn't change those facts i mentioned. and you don't mention it being a home game for hawaii and how the sand and sea lulls teams into bad performances historically. no, all we get of reasoned analysis from you is "hawaii sucks." brilliant...

 

-this team showed heart and guts and, perhaps more importantly, precision in breaking that bowl losing streak. and that is PART of why everyone should be optimistic about this upcoming season.

 

-just to be clear, i am not over-stating that win but i refuse to let people continually *under-value* that win. considering all the outside factors, etc. it turned out to be a big win. period. and if we *do* have a great upcoming season we'll all be pointing to that bowl game as the start of it...

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that was funny blackirish---i read hawaii sucks-- and i thought geez thats a little harsh im just giving an opinion--- then i realized you were talking about the rainbows lol----- and yes it is true that they werent very good last year--- but to be fair they beat cinccinatieasily accept on the scoreboard---they also beat the nevada team that so many posters try to build up as some kindof benchmark game next season-- we will roll over nevada---- MY POINT IS---i have rarely if ever seen anyone handle any hawaii team at home as easy as we did-- yes they got torched by florida-- but lots of big ten teams come out here at the end of the year and not only dont dominate they get beat-- the distance-- the heat and humidity-- its truly one of the best homefield advantages in the NCAA----- that performance opened eyes -- we will get better press this year-- we will have some scared opponents early---some posters aent going to be happy until game 3--- if we trounce nevada they will say well nevada sucked-- after we go up and handle michigan-- they will say michigan was bad last year and this year isnt much better---- BUT after we dismantle Mr Dantonio's SPARTANS-- their wont be any fence sitters left!-----Expext to see the same team we saw at aloha stadium all year---personally im pleased as punch and looking forward to it

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