first we will not get anymore recruits--16 for 09-- this is disappointing no matter how you cut it being outrecruited by a 3 win michigan team and the likes of stanford- mississippi state- ucla--etc -- is not that path back to elite status-- ON THE BRIGHTSIDE-- this class is way better then the 14 man class that we graduated and we all know that 10 to 12 of these players could be big time contributors over time instead of the 3 or 4 from the 05 class----the bad thing is the way it went down-- recruiting dying after the cuse game ( TEOS VISIT BY THE WAY)-- and then all the melodrama we wont go into that followed-- and another bad NSD thats getting all too familiar--- HOWEVER-- this can be all fixed quickly--- the team we have in place-- our two deep will be able to play with most everyone yet alone the teams we have scheduled---- after running the numbers and allowing for about 5 5th years next year--- also luke retireing and gray returning and a few other assumptions-- we will have 24 schollies next year to actually fill the plate---5 th years----17 seniors--- 23 juniors-- 16 sophomores and no transfers -- add one schollie pre transfer -- gives us 61--------so thats 24 not 30 not 28 but just 24 to fill up---- BIG PLUS__ TWO DOWN __22 TO GO___bring in a top ten class next year---and have a very good season in 09 and we can come out of this nosedive both quickly and smelling like a plumeria---we will have the talent-- the team-- and the coaches-- to accomplish both things without it being some mammoth accomplishment--- lets just win some games change the press and win some recruiting battles-- the coaches and the players have their destiny-- and ours-- right there in front of them!! untill after NSD -- much aloha to you all!!

Why so negative all of a sudden Hawaii?

Hawaii --

 

your bottomline forecast(?) for this year is heartbreaking... but not surprising given our historical NSD experience.

sorry guys i was actually trying to be positive-- lol--- why so negative RH--well unlike the games i think this is out of our control could we still get one-- absolutely-- but after reading every tea leave i can-- it seems like realistically you should be prepared for the likely outcome of no recruits-- but please-- dont let this be heartbreaking by any means-- we got a small handful of really good players -- a huge upgrade in our ST-- huge and important--- some terrific LBs and OL-- the great cierre wood-- a slick reciever-- alot of covetable players---- my point is lets not get BUMMED-- lets get ANGRY-- and not at charlie or the coaches --- lets get angry at espn-- USC-- MICHIGAN-- and the whole football world that has put a bullseye on ND---- i say lets screw the heartbreak-- and get ready to go break some bones on the football field--- REMEMBER-- when we sign 24 great players-- this time next year -- we will have changed this program for years to come---

Attention... Attention people, there is some bad poi going around... do NOT try the red poi..

With respect, the premise of this thread is more than a little ridiculous. You may very well be correct in stating that we will only sign 16 recruits come Wednesday. However, the odds are no worse that sign 20. A strong case can be made for Te'o, Moore, Starling, and Thigpen ending up at Notre Dame (Well, at least as strong a case that they'll end up at any other school).

 

The fact is, no one has any clue what any of these kids are thinking, especially Te'o and Starling. The Te'o camp has said little to provide insight as to where he is leaning, though he has said positives about all three schools still fighting for him. His father sure seems to be in our corner, which can't hurt our chances. Starling has given even less information as to his thought process. Of course, he did claim that his visit to our campus was his best to that point, and he did start publicly bringing up the importance academics would have in his decision shortly after said visit.

 

Moore seems Irish all the way to me. This is the guy who talked about making the "Forty year decision" shortly after de-committing from Southern Cal, right? I know some "insiders" have been calling Moore ours since before he visited for the Syracuse game, when most thought he was solid to Southern Cal. Maybe they actually know something? I know, I know, he just visited Colorado, and is even announcing at the same time as his friend who seems to be all Buffalo. He's also announcing on ESPN(U?), if I remember correctly. Is it not conceivable that he may want to draw a little more attention toward his friend? Does he even get to pick the time he announces since it's on national television (Yes, I know the time)?

 

Thigpen's situation is a bit of a double-edged sword. I shared my perspective in the thread dedicated to his decision to bump up the proclamation of his decision, if you want to have a look see.

 

No, there's nothing solid on any of these guys as far as Notre Dame is concerned. However, there really isn't anything solid on any of these guys, period. Speculation can be fun, but there's no need to play the role of uber-pessimist, particularly when speaking in absolutes.

With respect, the premise of this thread is more than a little ridiculous. You may very well be correct in stating that we will only sign 16 recruits come Wednesday. However, the odds are no worse that sign 20. A strong case can be made for Te'o, Moore, Starling, and Thigpen ending up at Notre Dame (Well, at least as strong a case that they'll end up at any other school).

 

The fact is, no one has any clue what any of these kids are thinking, especially Te'o and Starling. The Te'o camp has said little to provide insight as to where he is leaning, though he has said positives about all three schools still fighting for him. His father sure seems to be in our corner, which can't hurt our chances. Starling has given even less information as to his thought process. Of course, he did claim that his visit to our campus was his best to that point, and he did start publicly bringing up the importance academics would have in his decision shortly after said visit.

 

Moore seems Irish all the way to me. This is the guy who talked about making the "Forty year decision" shortly after de-committing from Southern Cal, right? I know some "insiders" have been calling Moore ours since before he visited for the Syracuse game, when most thought he was solid to Southern Cal. Maybe they actually know something? I know, I know, he just visited Colorado, and is even announcing at the same time as his friend who seems to be all Buffalo. He's also announcing on ESPN(U?), if I remember correctly. Is it not conceivable that he may want to draw a little more attention toward his friend? Does he even get to pick the time he announces since it's on national television (Yes, I know the time)?

 

Thigpen's situation is a bit of a double-edged sword. I shared my perspective in the thread dedicated to his decision to bump up the proclamation of his decision, if you want to have a look see.

 

No, there's nothing solid on any of these guys as far as Notre Dame is concerned. However, there really isn't anything solid on any of these guys, period. Speculation can be fun, but there's no need to play the role of uber-pessimist, particularly when speaking in absolutes.

 

Great post Smiling!!

 

I told Hawaii in another thread to "Come off the ledge" LOL!!

 

We will all find out Wednesday. No big deal as we are going with a small class anyway and looking for the "homerun" class next year.

"i may very well be right but its ridiculous that we sign only 16"--what does that exactly mean that im correct but ridiculous mmmmmmm--- indeed the idea that it is JUST AS LIKELY that we sign 20 as 16-- that actually is ridiculous-- if it makes you happy to ignore every negative sign on each recruit-- from cancelled visits to rave reveiws from their LAST VISITS to other schools on the final weekend--ignore all the posts and the collective momentum from every site ND and our competition--- do that all if you choose but please dont tell me no recruits on NSD is a ridiculous assumption--it is in fact a realistic assumption- albeit not a pleasant one-- im afriad my little friend you have a bad case of " KILL THE MESSENGER"-- its bedtime in paradise so im off the ledge and off to bed -- hope you take wednesday better than my post aloha

"i may very well be right but its ridiculous that we sign only 16"--what does that exactly mean that im correct but ridiculous mmmmmmm--- indeed the idea that it is JUST AS LIKELY that we sign 20 as 16-- that actually is ridiculous-- if it makes you happy to ignore every negative sign on each recruit-- from cancelled visits to rave reveiws from their LAST VISITS to other schools on the final weekend--ignore all the posts and the collective momentum from every site ND and our competition--- do that all if you choose but please dont tell me no recruits on NSD is a ridiculous assumption--it is in fact a realistic assumption- albeit not a pleasant one-- im afriad my little friend you have a bad case of " KILL THE MESSENGER"-- its bedtime in paradise so im off the ledge and off to bed -- hope you take wednesday better than my post aloha

 

To start with, you misquoted me. I never said it was ridiculous that we might only sign 16 guys. What I did say is that you claiming that we are definitely stuck at 16 was ridiculous. None of us has any clue where any of the four recruits in question are leaning, yet you leave no doubt in your post that they are all going somewhere else. That is what I found to be ridiculous.

 

And yes, at this point, our odds are just as good to sign 20 as they are 16, at least as far as any of us are concerned. That is, unless you have any concrete information which removes ND from contention with any of the guys left on our board. I highly doubt it, though.

 

I'm not saying we're going to sign 20 recruits come Wednesday, or even that we'll sign more than 16 for that matter. What I am saying is that radical knee jerk reactions to weak circumstantial evidence are unnecessary and slightly annoying. Maybe you should stay away from your computer until Thursday?

16 is fine. Many of the late signees are looking for a place where they can have instant playing time at a big name program. Thats why Michigan did so well. With the great classes ND has had over the last 4 years, instant playing time is pretty much out of the question. So you can actually thank the great previous recruiting efforts for this years numbers. Even Teo cant be guaranteed instant time. We have a bunch of very highly skilled guys on defense who arent going to give up their spot easily to an 18 year old coming in with no college experience. The only place on our D with an average chance of instant time is the line. LB, S, CB are all pretty much loaded. Next years class will be a big one. Hell this class is good. Probably 10-12 of these guys will end up starting some day for ND, just not next year. ND didnt load up on guys who will be career special teams guys. ND will not miss a beat. So to sum it all up this class isnt loaded with numbers its just loaded with eventual starters. Not bad.

agreed germany-- 16 would be disappointing but im fine with it also-- as i said quite clearly there are alot of covetable players in this small class--- as for smilingguy---i think it is also clear that i am giving my opinion and not facts based on HARD INFO OR PROVEN RESULTS---you dont like my opinion-lol- thats fine as well---one mans speculative opinion is another mans" radical knee jerk reaction"--it is a little silly though to find specualtion " based on weak circumstantial evidence unnecessary and slightly annoying"-- lol-- for the most part the entire point of recruiting sites is -- specualtion based on weak circumstantial evidence-- so perhaps you just dont have the temperment to follow what with 80 offers and 16 commits is most of the time an exercise in disappointment-----in any case its 3ish in the morning here and im looking around for an alka seltzer-- i just cant eat pizza late anymore!----- i hope i get surprised on NSD with a commit maybe from starling who rivals HAS SOME KNEE JERK SPECULATION this morning may have it down to us and usc-- of course we dont want to annoy you with speculation -- aloha

I personally don't think 16 is too disappointing. We're filling some much needed gaps on the team, and it'll be interesting to see how this current class can effect things. Regardless of who else we add, we'll probably still finish in the top-25, which is great.

 

I think this is just the calm before the storm...next year could be one hellish class of recruits. We could really clean house next year, and then we'll be looking back on this class thinking we're glad there are some schollies still available and some spots we didn't fill

 

Also, I can't complain too much about NSD- sure we got bitten in the past a bit, but remember, no one thought we'd land Deion Walker last year and somehow Weis and company pulled it out. You never know what could happen tomorrow!

I said heartbreaking in the sense that we seem so close to closing on some great talent.

 

The 16 we currently have are solid to superior additions to the team, don't get me wrong... it's just that it would be nice to pull-off some NSD surprises every now and then.

It's disapointed because it's not actually 16, it's really 13 if you ask me. And you can't have 13 man classes, especially at a school that doesn't allow JUCO's.

We're a little thin with 16 but like I said, about 10 of them are starter quality which aint bad in any class. It just leaves more room for what is shaping up to a killer 2010 class. Charlie is dishing out the offers and many of these guys are close to signing already.

I agree with some of th oter guys that we need to start spraying offers early an often and put some pressure on some of these kids to quit horsing around. Could you imagine Bo Schembechler and Lou Holtz putting up with this crap in their day? Of course, they could offer what? 120 scholarships?