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i listened to a long interview with sam bradford after the award-- and it was striking-- he singled out one guy, over and over, he was effusive, this guy taught me everything. i wouldnt be here if it wasnt for his help etc etc etc-- of course he was talking about his QB coach huepel---it reminded me of brady quinn going on and on in interview after interview about charlie, charlie showed me this, charlie taught me that, charlie is making me the QB i am etc etc etc----and what about jimmy? last year in and out with charlies coaching and jimmys limits defined by his injury- this year charlie distracted, under fire, and leaving jimmy WAY TOO OFTEN- in the hands of a completely inexperienced and untested QB coach --RON POWLUS should not be his QB coach-- if charlie expects to develop clausen to be his best-- he has to take that responsibility exclusively on his own!--i think a new OC should run the nuts and bolts of the offense albeit with chariles input -- but QB coach should be his job-- and results on his head-- jimmy deserves what he expected when he was recruited-- the same hands on coaching that BRADY GOT

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CW still helps Powlus coach Jimmy. We dont need an OC in order for CW to coach Jimmy. CW was still the OC when Brady was here. Jimmy's problems have nothing to do with coaching. You can only tell a QB not to lock on a receiver so many times. The OL doesnt help him either, he's jailbreaking way too quick, that clock in his head usually goes off too early which is something else you cannot coach.

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JC is half the QB Quinn was. Still making rookie mistakes. He has the talent but I wonder where his heart is.

 

He's actually just about the same if not better than Quinn was his Sophomore year statistically.

 

Quinn couldn't win the big game here so I'm not going to say Clausen isn't as good until his career is done at ND.

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JC is half the QB Quinn was. Still making rookie mistakes. He has the talent but I wonder where his heart is.

 

I dont know mike i hope you are right but i wonder how much talent he really has. He was what two years older then everyone in his grade level in HS and then was incredibly hyped. I think that hype went to his head and he is as overrated as it gets, i dont think he is naturally any better then his brothers. I hope im wrong and he puts up incredible numbers next year but his regression and as irishwave said above his basic mistakes after this many starts are downright scary. I dont believe though that crist wastes a year of eligibility on 2 quarters of football but hopefully there is a competition in the off season. In saying that though I dont see crist getting the look he deserves in the off season because i doubt weis takes a chance on a qb who has never started before considering whats at stake in 09. If there was a new coach in here i would be much more optimistic that we would see a real competetion but i dont think charlies ego will let him give up on JC, remember his specialty is supposed to be QB development so if he gives up on JC i think he will see that as a personal failure. I say charlie goes down with Jimmy at the helm in part because his stubborness will keep clausen the starter much longer then he should be.

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Guys chill out. He had no offensive line the last two years and his numbers weren't bad this year. The whole team regressed and he had no running game.

 

Clausen's numbers this year:

246/414=59.4% 2771 yards 20 TD's 17 Int's Rating: 123.37

 

Quinn's numbers his sophomore year:

191/353=54.1% 2586 yards 17 TD's 10 Int's Rating: 125.87

 

More attempts than Quinn and a higher completion percentage.

 

He has the arm to make all the throws. Most college qb's can't make the 10 yard out patterns. JC can. Also, if you take out the 4 int game against BC than his numbers look a lot better. Remember that game when we were all going, "Why can't we block the 300lb guy!"

 

The kid is good and I actually am feeling deprived of the opportunity to watch him play at a school where the line protects him and he has a running game. If he was at Oklahoma right now I think he'd be just as good or better than Bradford is and Bradford is a Redshirt Soph.

 

Give him a break. He gets smashed to hell every week and keeps getting back up.

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The kid is good and I actually am feeling deprived of the opportunity to watch him play at a school where the line protects him and he has a running game. If he was at Oklahoma right now I think he'd be just as good or better than Bradford is and Bradford is a Redshirt Soph.

 

Give him a break. He gets smashed to hell every week and keeps getting back up.

Sam Bradford just had one of the most impressive years in the Big 12, which was the toughest its been in years. Jimmy lost to Syracuse. Jimmy is also the same age as Bradford.

 

You really think that Jimmy would have had a comparable year if he was at OU?

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Sam Bradford just had one of the most impressive years in the Big 12, which was the toughest its been in years. Jimmy lost to Syracuse. Jimmy is also the same age as Bradford.

 

You really think that Jimmy would have had a comparable year if he was at OU?

 

Yes. He might be the same age but Bradford's had another year to better learn the system. Also, Jimmy's had no running game, no offensive line, and poor coaching...yeah I do think he would have had a comparable year if he had that brickwall of an o-line, bob stoops, and DeMarco Murry/Chris Brown (two 1000 yard rushers) setting everything up for him. Even the 3rd string running back for OU had 500 yards rushing. It makes a big difference when the defense doesn't know what's coming.

 

Jimmy didn't lose to syracuse, Notre Dame lost to syracuse.

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Yes. He might be the same age but Bradford's had another year to better learn the system. Also, Jimmy's had no running game, no offensive line, and poor coaching...yeah I do think he would have had a comparable year if he had that brickwall of an o-line, bob stoops, and DeMarco Murry/Chris Brown (two 1000 yard rushers) setting everything up for him. Even the 3rd string running back for OU had 500 yards rushing. It makes a big difference when the defense doesn't know what's coming.

 

i understand your point coastereight but to say that JC would have had a comparable year i think is undermining what Sam Bradford was able to acheive this year. Im sure you meant differently but what i read from your last post is that just because of what surrounded bradford, anyone could have been thrown in there and done what he did. Would JC's stats have been better had he been on oklahoma and 12 months older? Obviously yes, but you could never convince me that he would have had anywhere near 48 TD's to just 6 picks, 4400+ yards and a QB rating over over 186.

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i understand your point coastereight but to say that JC would have had a comparable year i think is undermining what Sam Bradford was able to acheive this year. Im sure you meant differently but what i read from your last post is that just because of what surrounded bradford, anyone could have been thrown in there and done what he did. Would JC's stats have been better had he been on oklahoma and 12 months older? Obviously yes, but you could never convince me that he would have had anywhere near 48 TD's to just 6 picks, 4400+ yards and a QB rating over over 186.

 

Clausen isn't just anyone he's got a hell of a skill set. We'll agree to disagree but I do think he could have that kind of a year with what was around Bradford. Was Bradford great? Yes. But I think Jimmy could be just as good at OU because I think he's that good. When you have to resort to the shotgun almost the whole game because you can't run and the defense can sit back in cover 2 all day you're gonna throw more picks. Especially when you have to resort to shotgun and your O-line can't protect you so you're all alone.

 

Here is an interesting question. How do you think Bradford would have done if he played at ND this year?

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Clausen isn't just anyone he's got a hell of a skill set. We'll agree to disagree but I do think he could have that kind of a year with what was around Bradford. Was Bradford great? Yes. But I think Jimmy could be just as good at OU because I think he's that good. When you have to resort to the shotgun almost the whole game because you can't run and the defense can sit back in cover 2 all day you're gonna throw more picks. Especially when you have to resort to shotgun and your O-line can't protect you so you're all alone.

 

Here is an interesting question. How do you think Bradford would have done if he played at ND this year?

 

I believe that Bradford would have had stats somewhere between what jimmy was able to accomplish this year at ND and what SB was able to accomplish this year at OU. I do believe that Bradford would have had better stats then jimmy had this year because i think he is a better QB overall then jimmy, much better. I think that is where we disagree, you obviously think that Jimmy's natural skill set and ability is far beyond what i believe it is. But i agree that we'll just agree to disagree because there really isnt any real way to prove one way or the other when debating someones natural skill set compared to someone else's. I mean we can compare stats and debate what we see on the field but your right theres nothing concrete.

 

Ill say this though i agree about what surrounds JC at ND, even with tom brady or peyton manning at the helm i dont think they would have put up the stats bradford put up at OU this year.

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He's actually just about the same if not better than Quinn was his Sophomore year statistically.

 

Quinn couldn't win the big game here so I'm not going to say Clausen isn't as good until his career is done at ND.

 

This is the most accurate statement all day.

 

No one was thinking Brady was gonna go pro when he was finishing his sophomore year. Jimmy is still on pace to do great things here. He needs to correct a couple of things, and he will be the guy we thought we were getting.

 

He has more pure passing talent then anyone I have seen in a while....he just makes mistakes a young QB will make. He will be a good one.....there is no question.

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coastereight, lets not forget that just b/c he was the #1 QB in HS doesnt mean it's going to be that way in college.

 

Clausen wouldnt have the same year as Bradford. Clausen has 17 INTs this year. 17 is a lot. Screw the OL excuse because most of those INTs were unforced errors. That's Jimmy's problem, too many unforced errors. Unforced errors are something that Bradford never really did and McCoy eliminated them this year after committing a good amount in his 1st two years.

 

Are we saying Clausen wont be good next year or his senior year. Not at all. But dont think just b/c he was the #1 QB in HS after racking up video game stats in a BS low division catholic league with all that D-1 talent he had on his squad that he's the "lebron james of football" or he'll do the great things right away. It will take him a lil' while to make the transition, but right now he's not a good QB. He has potential and shows glimpses of what he could be, but he has a lot to learn. And that's a fact.

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coastereight, lets not forget that just b/c he was the #1 QB in HS doesnt mean it's going to be that way in college.

 

Clausen wouldnt have the same year as Bradford. Clausen has 17 INTs this year. 17 is a lot. Screw the OL excuse because most of those INTs were unforced errors. That's Jimmy's problem, too many unforced errors. Unforced errors are something that Bradford never really did and McCoy eliminated them this year after committing a good amount in his 1st two years.

 

Are we saying Clausen wont be good next year or his senior year. Not at all. But dont think just b/c he was the #1 QB in HS after racking up video game stats in a BS low division catholic league with all that D-1 talent he had on his squad that he's the "lebron james of football" or he'll do the great things right away. It will take him a lil' while to make the transition, but right now he's not a good QB. He has potential and shows glimpses of what he could be, but he has a lot to learn. And that's a fact.

 

I don't think just because he was the best out of highschool means he's the best in ncaa football. I didn't say he was the best qb.

 

I do think that he would have been able to throw 10 or less int's if he played for OU though because:

1) defenses can't sit back in cover 2 when you can run

2) a good o-line allows you to not have to throw under pressure as much/don't have to throw while getting hit as much/aren't as banged up while you're playing the games.

 

I do think he can get a lot better. I also think Bradford can get a lot better.

 

You can't say Bradford isn't a product of good coaching and a good team. He is. If Clausen had the same coaching and team he would be a lot better. He's a great talent who went into a bad situation.

 

And, more so, I'm tired of people saying we need to run him out of town as if he's supposed to come in here with no o-line, no running game, and basically the entire offense graduating the year before he came in, and win three Heisman trophies before going #1 overall in the draft.

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He's actually just about the same if not better than Quinn was his Sophomore year statistically.

 

Quinn couldn't win the big game here so I'm not going to say Clausen isn't as good until his career is done at ND.

Thank you. The kid, and I do mean kid since Im over 40, is a sophomore. I dont care what his actual chronological age is, he's still a sophomore. He made some big mistakes but I have full confidence he'll recover. He'll run that team like a well oiled machine by the time he's a senior. It wouldnt hurt either for the line to play with some fire. Wenger and Olson were the only ones playing like warriors every game. Turk played like a senior should play.

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I don't think just because he was the best out of highschool means he's the best in ncaa football. I didn't say he was the best qb.

 

I do think that he would have been able to throw 10 or less int's if he played for OU though because:

1) defenses can't sit back in cover 2 when you can run

2) a good o-line allows you to not have to throw under pressure as much/don't have to throw while getting hit as much/aren't as banged up while you're playing the games.

 

I do think he can get a lot better. I also think Bradford can get a lot better.

 

You can't say Bradford isn't a product of good coaching and a good team. He is. If Clausen had the same coaching and team he would be a lot better. He's a great talent who went into a bad situation.

 

And, more so, I'm tired of people saying we need to run him out of town as if he's supposed to come in here with no o-line, no running game, and basically the entire offense graduating the year before he came in, and win three Heisman trophies before going #1 overall in the draft.

 

what are you basing it on though? he hasnt done anything to show us that he'd be that good even with a good OL. unforced errors prove that.

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I think Jimmy showed he could improve. From the Michigan game through the first half of the UNC game he really looked like he was going to be something special. He was changing plays at the line, not locking on as much to a reciever, and limiting his mistakes. After the UNC game he's looked completely different. You can almost see the dazed look in his eyes. He lost his confidence in himself and the line and Weis should have sat him down for a half/game to settle him down.

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