Am I in believing that the whole "don't fire charlie cuz recruting" is a chicken turd statement?

 

I look at it like this:

 

He's got talent and reeled that talent in cuz he:

1) has super-bowl rings

 

or

 

2) Recruiting for a traditional football school

 

for the 2010 class, he's going to:

1) Bring in another top-10 class

 

or

 

2) Recruits won't want to step into an "unstable" situation

 

Seriously folks, if he's not winning he's not drawing in my opinion. It seems that IF AND WHEN we do hire a "head" coach, he's going to give us that great Notre Dame pep rally inaugural speech and get us all fired up. Promises of a "nasty" football team will be replaced by another witty adjective and the new "head" coach will begin drawing serious talent again.

 

Now, I'm going out on a wire in believing that our new "head" coach wouldn't be on the golf course, rather he'd be doing the same recruiting that Charlie was doing. I'm also using the term "head" coach, cuz I'm hoping that IF and WHEN we do hire another coach (be-it next year or next month or whatever) that the new "head" coach would actually have experience as a "head" coach.

Am I in believing that the whole "don't fire charlie cuz recruting" is a chicken turd statement?

 

I look at it like this:

 

He's got talent and reeled that talent in cuz he:

1) has super-bowl rings

 

or

 

2) Recruiting for a traditional football school

 

for the 2010 class, he's going to:

1) Bring in another top-10 class

 

or

 

2) Recruits won't want to step into an "unstable" situation

 

Seriously folks, if he's not winning he's not drawing in my opinion. It seems that IF AND WHEN we do hire a "head" coach, he's going to give us that great Notre Dame pep rally inaugural speech and get us all fired up. Promises of a "nasty" football team will be replaced by another witty adjective and the new "head" coach will begin drawing serious talent again.

 

Now, I'm going out on a wire in believing that our new "head" coach wouldn't be on the golf course, rather he'd be doing the same recruiting that Charlie was doing. I'm also using the term "head" coach, cuz I'm hoping that IF and WHEN we do hire another coach (be-it next year or next month or whatever) that the new "head" coach would actually have experience as a "head" coach.

 

Who do you propose that is?

 

The recruiting argument is sort of bull to an extent, but valid if that's not the only reason.

Man! I've been skimming over people, but I'm limited in my thinking cuz I'm not a huge NFL follower. Watching Saban vs Meyer yesterday made me sick. both programs are just simply awesome (hate SEC or not/ hate Urban and Saban or not), they took programs and made them great again. Negative recruiting or not, they know what they're doing on and off the field and it's working (we can only be presumptious). Shots at the Poodle even make me sick, cuz USC is simply brilliant too. I just want a coach who can win all the games we're "supposed" to along with the BIG games. I'm tired of looking at the preseason magazines and seeing ND vs Pitt as a "swing game". Right now I can handle 2 or 3 loss seasons as long as we play hard without blow-outs. Even the 05-06 seasons make me feel kinda sick because of the blow-out losses.

 

Is it getting to the point where USC players look at the "ND Rivalry" as a no big deal cuz they've never lost to us? "Heck, they're the easiest team on our schedule", may end up being a regular thought.

Man! I've been skimming over people, but I'm limited in my thinking cuz I'm not a huge NFL follower. Watching Saban vs Meyer yesterday made me sick. both programs are just simply awesome (hate SEC or not/ hate Urban and Saban or not), they took programs and made them great again. Negative recruiting or not, they know what they're doing on and off the field and it's working (we can only be presumptious). Shots at the Poodle even make me sick, cuz USC is simply brilliant too. I just want a coach who can win all the games we're "supposed" to along with the BIG games. I'm tired of looking at the preseason magazines and seeing ND vs Pitt as a "swing game". Right now I can handle 2 or 3 loss seasons as long as we play hard without blow-outs. Even the 05-06 seasons make me feel kinda sick because of the blow-out losses.

 

Is it getting to the point where USC players look at the "ND Rivalry" as a no big deal cuz they've never lost to us? "Heck, they're the easiest team on our schedule", may end up being a regular thought.

 

Understandable. I think that's what we all want. I don't think we can get a guy like Saban or Meyer though. Our only shot is if Meyer wins too much and wants a new challenge. Idk if he'll ever get complacent though.

I'm with Imroc my old boss.

I'm not saying that we'd have a shot at Saban or Meyer at all. I'm thinking more like Saban-esque or Meyer-esque coaches. I don't know Meyer or "his ways" but he seems to be the type of guy who would pounce at an NFL position and could be using UF as a stepping stone. Then again, he may retire at UF as an all-time great. Dunno. Looking at Saban and Meyer though, I'm trying to figure out who's the next type. Any thoughts?

I'm not saying that we'd have a shot at Saban or Meyer at all. I'm thinking more like Saban-esque or Meyer-esque coaches. I don't know Meyer or "his ways" but he seems to be the type of guy who would pounce at an NFL position and could be using UF as a stepping stone. Then again, he may retire at UF as an all-time great. Dunno. Looking at Saban and Meyer though, I'm trying to figure out who's the next type. Any thoughts?

 

There's been a lot of talk about Brian Kelly, Kyle Whittingham, and Chris Peterson. I like what Turner Gill has done with Buffalo in such a short time myself. He could be it.

There's been a lot of talk about Brian Kelly, Kyle Whittingham, and Chris Peterson. I like what Turner Gill has done with Buffalo in such a short time myself. He could be it.

 

Yeah, I'm doing some research on Kelly. As far as (W)hittingham, I'm also hesitant on another coach with a W for his last name right now! lol! Especially one that rhymes with Ty's last name!!! Gee, i'm a bad person!

 

I read on ESPN marquee that Auburn has recieve permission to talke with Turner as well. I just like the idea that ND has time to work on this project. What do they do though? Do they at least let these coaches, who are obviously talking to other schools, know that there is a certain degree of interest?

 

Also, what the heck do we do as fans? Support charlie for another year and pray that he turns this program around? Or do we just wait for him to fail so we can bury him? It's kinda hard cuz I really don't wanna see his face right now and I sure as heck don't wanna see another bowl loss! If we win, and most especially if we have a blow-out win against UH, do we hug his tubby butt? lol! What if he does win the bowl game and pulls off a 2 or 3 loss season (with close loss margins)? Keep him, but keep our eye on another?

 

I guess it really comes down to our lack of faith in him right now and I believe we are justified in believing such

First off, I think that as a "fan" you should always root for your team to win. For the next year at least, that means supporting Charlie Weis. For the last couple of weeks I wasn't sure whether or not I wanted ND to keep Charlie or not. My opinions about whether or not to keep Charlie would change based on who we could get to replace him. But now that the administration has publicly stated that they are going to keep him, I am supporting him 100%. Regardless of talent, a team in turmoil is almost certainly doomed to fail. College football is difficult enough on it's own without having to deal with the outside distractions of whether or not the coach is going to lose his job. I truly believe that if we are good fans, then we will keep any frustration and complaints about the coach "in house" until the time is appropriate. Let the biased pundits be the nay sayers. A house divided will never stand and ND is no different. If we truly want the team to succeed then we will put away any personal feelings about CW for the next year or so and keep our fingers crossed that he has wild and crazy success. Regardless of how I may have felt a week ago, I am now a Charlie supporter and I will continue to be next season. The team absolutely needs the support of its fan base and like it or not, the coach is part of the team.

My sentiments exactly Flyin, well said.

Great post Flyin I really hope 99.9% of ND fans will do this. I don't care if you wanted to kick him to the curb or not ND fans better not boooo all season everytime something goes wrong with the offence. It will kill this team now and in the future.

Great post Flyin I really hope 99.9% of ND fans will do this. I don't care if you wanted to kick him to the curb or not ND fans better not boooo all season everytime something goes wrong with the offence. It will kill this team now and in the future.

 

We've already had the BS snowball throwing incident, which was a total garbage act by our student body. I was embarrassed watching that! I don't think I have ever been embarrassed by an ND fan, until that incident. I sure hope they don't start booing the team, snowballs were more than enough!

We've already had the BS snowball throwing incident, which was a total garbage act by our student body. I was embarrassed watching that! I don't think I have ever been embarrassed by an ND fan, until that incident. I sure hope they don't start booing the team, snowballs were more than enough!

 

Agree Rockne - brought my fiance up for her first ND football game and instead of enjoying the game I had to field questions as to why the students where throwing snowballs at the players. I too was embarrassed for the first time.

Maybe this no star will turn out to be like all the no stars from BC, Cuse, Navy etc. who keep kicking our A$$ or at least making us look bad.

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by ND FANATIC
Unnecessary language.....

Does a long snapper even need to be a star ranked player? I mean he has one job....to snap the damn ball really far. Exactly what makes someone a 1* vs a 4* at that position when they run out there for punts? Seriously.

There's been a lot of talk about Brian Kelly, Kyle Whittingham, and Chris Peterson. I like what Turner Gill has done with Buffalo in such a short time myself. He could be it.

 

Forget them all. We have all the money in the world to bring in an A-List guy. We've had B-List celebs for too many years...