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Well, not really:

 

 

Florida Offense:

6 Freshman / 12 underclassmen on the 2-deep

4 Senior Starters

 

Florida Defense:

4 Freshman / 14 underclassmen on the 2-deep

0 Senior Starters

 

http://florida.rivals.com/cdepthtextadvanced.asp?TEHomeKey=21&TEAwayKey=2

 

and as a reference point:

 

ND Offense:

4 Freshman / 12 underclassmen on the 2-deep

3 senior starters

 

ND Defense:

4 Freshman / 8 underclassmen on the 2-deep

5 senior starters

 

http://notredame.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp

 

 

Expect Florida to be good for a long time

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I do agree youth is not an excuse. I do think that Charlie needs to simplify his offense. It's pretty telling when Jimmy said his first year was hard because he didn't know the playbook well. Plus, how many times did we see confusion between Floyd's routes and Clausen's throws? A lot.

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In response to "youth", we need to be careful when we are looking at the rivals depth chart. Usually they do not actually portray the correct year of the player. For example, they list people as being freshman when they are actually sophmores and the same goes for sophmores and juniors. A few of the players listed as freshman on the Florida depth chart are actually part of the 2007 recruting class which would make them sophmores.

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Welcome to Domer Domain blacksox.:) Glad you came aboard. 9More smiles) Yes we do have about the ultimate best posters. Rarely does a Mod or Admin have to butt in. Glad you joined the team.

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Decided to join this board since it seems to have the best posters.

 

In response to "youth", we need to be careful when we are looking at the rivals depth chart. Usually they do not actually portray the correct year of the player. For example, they list people as being freshman when they are actually sophmores and the same goes for sophmores and juniors. A few of the players listed as freshman on the Florida depth chart are actually part of the 2007 recruting class which would make them sophmores.

 

 

Welcome blacksox! Good to have you on board.

 

You are correct some of those freshmen are red shirt freshmen but at ND they would be listed as sophmores.

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welcome aboard blacksox, glad you chose this boear were all family and get along great what do you thimk on yjr uf/bama game , lots of good talent . go irish

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Well, not really:

 

 

Florida Offense:

6 Freshman / 12 underclassmen on the 2-deep

4 Senior Starters

 

Florida Defense:

4 Freshman / 14 underclassmen on the 2-deep

0 Senior Starters

 

http://florida.rivals.com/cdepthtextadvanced.asp?TEHomeKey=21&TEAwayKey=2

 

and as a reference point:

 

ND Offense:

4 Freshman / 12 underclassmen on the 2-deep

3 senior starters

 

ND Defense:

4 Freshman / 8 underclassmen on the 2-deep

5 senior starters

 

http://notredame.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp

 

 

Expect Florida to be good for a long time

 

The numbers are slightly off. You used a depth chart not including Michael Floyd or Brian Smith. It's definitely comparable though.

 

Florida Offense:

3 Freshmen (you counted Deonte Thompson twice and one of them is the back up QB - which I counted; it was only stated because the back up QB doesn't really see the field at all so it's essentially 2) / 11 underclassmen on the 2-deep

3 Senior Starters

Previous years of combined experience for starters: 17

 

Notre Dame Offense:

3 Freshmen / 13 underclassmen on the 2-deep

2 Senior Starters

Previous years of combined experience for starters: 13

 

Florida Defense:

2 Freshmen / 13 underclassmen on the 2-deep

0 Senior Starters

Previous years of combined experience for starters: 13

 

Notre Dame Defense:

4 Freshmen / 9 underclassmen on the 2-deep

5 Senior Starters

Previous years of combined experience for starters: 19

 

Florida 2 deep breakdown:

5 freshmen / 24 underclassmen

3 Senior Starters

Previous years of combined experience for starters: 30

 

Notre Dame 2 deep breakdown:

8 freshmen / 22 underclassmen

7 Senior Starters

Previous years of combined experience for starters: 32

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Not trying to make excuses here. We have a ton of work to do, especially offensively. You have to admit though, it is a lot easier to win with a young defense than it is to win with a young offense.

 

Thanks for your updates to the list. Yes I used the list on rivals which includes the fullback position at which we are experienced.

 

I think it depends where the youth is on both sides of the ball. For example, Jimmy being a soph vs. Tebow a junior--that one year makes a huge difference for a QB, arguably the most important position on the field.

 

Whatever the slight nuanced differences there may be between our youth and Florida's, Florida is 12-1 (in the SEC of all places) and on their way to the title game. We struggled through a mediocre schedule and are 6-6. I just think it shows the different culture of our teams despite both being young.

 

I was impressed with Florida today. They manned up to Alabama's physical team. They were adjusting throughout the game. They were patient and moved the ball and scored when they needed to without making any critical errors. All this with a ton of youth on the field.

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Thanks for your updates to the list. Yes I used the list on rivals which includes the fullback position at which we are experienced.

 

I think it depends where the youth is on both sides of the ball. For example, Jimmy being a soph vs. Tebow a junior--that one year makes a huge difference for a QB, arguably the most important position on the field.

 

Whatever the slight nuanced differences there may be between our youth and Florida's, Florida is 12-1 (in the SEC of all places) and on their way to the title game. We struggled through a mediocre schedule and are 6-6. I just think it shows the different culture of our teams despite both being young.

 

I was impressed with Florida today. They manned up to Alabama's physical team. They were adjusting throughout the game. They were patient and moved the ball and scored when they needed to without making any critical errors. All this with a ton of youth on the field.

 

I think a lot of it is the attitude, or lack thereof, at times this season. We had double digit leads in 3 of our losses, we just got 'happy' with how the game was going versus closing out. With as bad as our season finished people don't like to hear it, but we could have easily been 9-3. Which would have been a very respectable season considering how horrible we were last season.

 

This is going to be a huge season for Notre Dame football in regards to not only learning if the Charlie Weis era ends, but seeing what kind of players we really have on this team. There was a lot players can learn from individually as young men from this season and what they do with that could help them become better football players. You can't go into a cruise control mode in D1 football, regardless of your opponent. If you start to bury your opponent, you just have to tell yourself that the hole isn't big enough. Don't let up, never turn the switch off.

 

A few like to blame Weis, and he's definitely to blame for aspects of our poor play, but ultimately this is big time D1 college football. You shouldn't need anymore motivation to get ready to knock someones head off other than the fact that you know your playing football at the University of Notre Dame, getting one of the best educations you can possibly get, and knowing all the tradition that's been here before you.

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I believe Alabama is younger than both the Irish and UF. Either way, our boys do not stack up to either of those teams and thankfully we don't need to play the elite schedule next season.

our boys have a long way to go to play with teams at the top. We have athletes, there are two things missing; Coaching and Heart. Did you guys see Tebow step into Spikes' face after they took the lead. The defense came alive and shut down the Crimson.

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Thanks for the warm welcoming.

 

I would agree that youth can no longer be an excuse. Especially next year when Weis will have 4 full recruiting classes. Are the players overrated coming out of highschool or is the staff not developing the players? I'm not sure at this point, but next year should answer some of the questions we have and prove or disprove some of our opinions.

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Well, not really:

 

 

Florida Offense:

6 Freshman / 12 underclassmen on the 2-deep

4 Senior Starters

 

Florida Defense:

4 Freshman / 14 underclassmen on the 2-deep

0 Senior Starters

 

http://florida.rivals.com/cdepthtextadvanced.asp?TEHomeKey=21&TEAwayKey=2

 

and as a reference point:

 

ND Offense:

4 Freshman / 12 underclassmen on the 2-deep

3 senior starters

 

ND Defense:

4 Freshman / 8 underclassmen on the 2-deep

5 senior starters

 

http://notredame.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp

 

 

Expect Florida to be good for a long time

 

The spread is the great equalizer in football. It can even get a team with mediocre talent to look good. But you put elite talent in a spread offense? Look out.

 

Our system is infinetly harder than theirs. Tebows playbook is on one laminated sheet of paper.

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Thanks for the warm welcoming.

 

I would agree that youth can no longer be an excuse. Especially next year when Weis will have 4 full recruiting classes. Are the players overrated coming out of highschool or is the staff not developing the players? I'm not sure at this point, but next year should answer some of the questions we have and prove or disprove some of our opinions.

 

Staff is not developing players, plain and simple.

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Youth is an excuse because we have looked putrid against inferior teams like Syracuse and San Diego State. A young team with more talent should be able to impose it's will on these types of teams.

 

Our players maybe, on average a year younger than Florida. However Florida is an elite team because that young talent is being developed and the coaching staff prepares these athletes to compete.

 

Youth was an excuse last year, it shouldn't have been this year. The one time we've been able to compete against an elite team in CW's tenure, we still lost.

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The thing you forgot to mention is that other schools have class be based on years of eligibility left. We treat it as years in school. For example, Brantley would be a sophomore for us, but a freshman for UF. If treating everyone based on years in school the offensive 2-deep is as such:

 

QB - Tebow: Jr, JC: So - Brantley: So, Crist: Fr

RB - Demps: Fr, Allen: So - Moody: Jr (Xfer), Aldridge: Jr

WR - Harvin: Jr, Floyd: Fr - Cooper: Jr, Kamara: So

WR - Thompson: So, Tate: So - Moore: Jr, Parris: Jr

WR - Murphy: Sr, Grimes: Sr - Thompson: So, West(???): Jr

TE - Hernandez: So, Rudolph: Fr - Casey: 5th, Fauria: Fr

OT - Trautwein: 5th, Turk: Sr - Hurt: Jr (Listed Johnson twice), Romine: So

OT - Watkins: 5th, Young: Jr - Gilbert: Jr, Dever: So

OG - Johnson: Jr, Olsen: Jr - Tartt: 5th, Nuss: So

OG - Pouncey: So, Stewart: Jr - Wilson: So, Robinson: Fr

C - Pouncey: So, Wenger: Jr - Hobbs: Jr, Bemenderfer:Sr (Xfer)/Cave: Fr

 

Can you please explain to me how youth isn't a valid excuse?

 

they're not much different. Tebow & Clausen have basically the same amount of starts. Tebow played his frosh year, but was mostly a runner. Tebow's only a month older than Clausen too.

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they're not much different. Tebow & Clausen have basically the same amount of starts. Tebow played his frosh year, but was mostly a runner. Tebow's only a month older than Clausen too.

 

Yeah, and put Tebow in a pro style offense and make him stay in the pocket while directing everyone on what they're doing every play and see how he does. Tebow will never be the 1st overall pick even if he wins 3 heismans, is huge, and continues to show leadership. Why? NFL teams don't like drafting guys out of a spread offense. See: every texas tech quarterback in recent memory.

 

Oh, and Alex Smith is another good reason why they shouldn't. Another Urban guy btw.

 

Jimmy has to process a lot more information in Charlie's offense. If he isn't going to simplify it he needs to make sure that he always has a junior qb in waiting from now on so we can always have a guy with 2 years of practice in the system. It's too complex to learn that quickly.

 

Quinn pulled it off but talked about how difficult it was. He was a junior already too so he had game experience. He didn't have to worry about that side of the game.

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who gives a crap if a kid is better prepared for the pros. win games now under the system that is being implemented. if it is a spread, so be it, if it is a dropback scheme, fine. just put the darn thing in place and make it work. i'm worried about success on the field now, not whether we are preparing kids for the next level..............

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