crouchingjedi Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 One coach beat his rival the past 6 years in a row until this year. The other coach is 0-4 against his rival and outscored 76-3 in the past 2 meetings. One coach went undefeated the entire season (2004) The other coach's best record is 10-3 One coach is 3-1 in his last three bowl games The other coach is 0-2 with no bowl appearance last year One coach has won 85 games in 10 seasons The other coach is 9-15 in the last 2 years One coach was fired today The other will be here in 2009 http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/3742934 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DScottND Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 One set of fans has become accustom to being mediocre and are willing to accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirodomer Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 It's sad that Tommy got the boot. He's a nice guy. My wife is an Auburn grad. So I know a lot about that program. His job was lost because he hired a new offensive coordinator to install the spread and promptly fired him midway through the season. He is a gracious coach and deserved more. Especially, with his winning percentage. How much do you guys want to bet that CW doesn't change more than one offensive coach and it won't be Latina????? This will be a sorry ass team again next year. Unlike John Kerry's slogan. Help is NOT on the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DScottND Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 What some people refuse to believe is it is not the assistants faults - it is the way Charlie conducts practices and his schemes. 20 hours a week with college kids is different than coaching offense in the NFL. He is too arrogant to have check it to this point I hope this was a wake up call and he brings in a real offensive c and allows him to run the show. The lack of fight and tempo from the team again goes to Charlie and the way he conducts practices. I believe Charlie is a great offensive mind - and could beat anyone in a game of wits, but that does not necessarily translate into the college game where it is emotion and physicality that are the tipping points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastereight Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Auburn is dumb. They will regret this move. The guy is a solid coach. He had one bad year in the SEC. Big deal. Good luck finding another solid coach Auburn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 One coach beat his rival the past 6 years in a row until this year. The other coach is 0-4 against his rival and outscored 76-3 in the past 2 meetings. One coach went undefeated the entire season (2004) The other coach's best record is 10-3 One coach is 3-1 in his last three bowl games The other coach is 0-2 with no bowl appearance last year One coach has won 85 games in 10 seasons The other coach is 9-15 in the last 2 years One coach was fired today The other will be here in 2009 http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/3742934 I can play that game, too. One coach was at his school for 10 years. The other was there for 4. One coach didn't have to restock his talent. One coach did. One coach had a program built by his predecessor. One coach had a program that was destroyed by his predecessor. One coach got slutted by USC. One coach got slutted by USC. One coach had Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams in the backfield when he got slutted. One coach had a bunch of freshmen and sophomores back there. One fan base is able to recognize reality: that a coach who has been there 10 years shouldn't have a down year like this. One fan base is delusional and can't see reality: That their coach is still rebuilding. See, I can make facts work for me, too. Can crazy leave, yet, or do have to keep going down this path of complaining about Charlie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 What some people refuse to believe is it is not the assistants faults - it is the way Charlie conducts practices and his schemes. 20 hours a week with college kids is different than coaching offense in the NFL. He is too arrogant to have check it to this point I hope this was a wake up call and he brings in a real offensive c and allows him to run the show. The lack of fight and tempo from the team again goes to Charlie and the way he conducts practices. I believe Charlie is a great offensive mind - and could beat anyone in a game of wits, but that does not necessarily translate into the college game where it is emotion and physicality that are the tipping points. Just curious. You know how he runs practices, how? Are you out there? From the film I've seen, he runs practices like most other programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirodomer Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Terry Bowden was the coach before Tuberville and he was only there what 1? 2? years? I believe he was on probation from Pat Dye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Yeah...that's why they went undefeated but couldn't get a national title. They were loaded, then. Then, Terry had to go hook up with the President's daughter or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest irishrick Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 gosh , i was hoping all this crap talk about charlie being relieved , NOW that he is staying , we still get a bunch of charlie this and that , lets wait and see what he does with his assistants after or before the bowl ? if we go ? go irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirodomer Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Allegedly, it was a big bank President's daughter? He was a HUGE donor and I think on their Board! T-bone never overcame it. No other SEC school would touch him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicePost Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 One fan base is delusional and can't see reality: That their coach is still rebuilding. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see a koolaid drinker couple the terms delusional and reality with ". . . [the] coach is still rebuilding." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish21 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Tuberville should not have gotten fired. He made a really dumb decision fring Tony Franklin halfway through the season, but has been a really good coach for a while. His teams always seem to play their best in big games with the exception of the Iron Bowl this year. I guess Auburn thinks they need to find a Nick Saban to compete with Bama. Hell, ND needs to finds a Saban. He gets the most out of his players. Take the top 2 OT from a few years ago. 1) Andre Smith 2) Sam Young Andre Smith should be the #1 pick in the draft. (definately #1 if the Lions have it). Sam Young not so much. just one example but it just goes to show you that raw talent aint sh** if your not a well coached team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchingjedi Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Can crazy leave, yet, or do have to keep going down this path of complaining about Charlie? Relax. I posted this because I think it is thought provoking. I am shocked that Tuberville was fired and I find the comparisons interesting. Did I complain about Charlie here? I am merely stating facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinIrish Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 There's a free article on blueandgold.com written by Ryan O'leary that everyone should read. It's a cogent, well thought out assessment of the coaching situation and why it was the right thing to do to keep CW for another year. I'd post a link, but I'm barely computer literate, so I don't know how... sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 i agree its an entertaining article- someone should post a link--- he takes a position that casts aspertions on his own posters that is applicable to us as well--but its criticism i think we all should hear-- personally im very sympathetic to his whole take on the coaching carousel and how we are reacting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Relax. I posted this because I think it is thought provoking. I am shocked that Tuberville was fired and I find the comparisons interesting. Did I complain about Charlie here? I am merely stating facts. Sorry, I lumped the post after yours into yours. It's funny how the meaning of something can change in your head based on the context. DScott's post got me on the offensive. When I look at yours, its relatively objective. For above Kool-Aid references, Kool-Aid works both ways. I think some of you are drinking the Kool-Aid of haters. The difference is, I think yours is laced with more poison. Hey, I think you got an email. It's NDNation looking for you to come back and post. Ha! j/k obviously, but man, NDNation people are soooo self-deluded. Have you seen a bunch of people who think their opinion matters more than anyone elses? I mean, if you disagree, it's off to the Gulag with you. "This is a travesty!" "The administration should be fired!" "Swarbrick sucks!" Those guys truly embarrass me. I have to wonder how many of them are actual students or alums, or are they just a bunch of whiny fans who think they should be coaching? Not to say you can't disagree with the opinion to keep Charlie, but at least we have some good debates. Over there, man, it's a freaking monologue of hatred posted by each of their members. I guess a certain culture breeds people who are in the mold of that culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicePost Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Why is it that people put more credence in the opinions of those who have broader access in spreading those opinions? I see O'Leary as just another koolaid drinker who has no more insight than anyone who sat in front of a TV every football Saturday. Don't give his diatribe more weight than it deserves. He says we who criticize shouldn't dare claim Weis' future success as our own. Well . . . you pompous ass. I have no such worries, but I call upon you, O'leary, to keep eating the future failures of Weis with a broad smile. Don't YOU dare to ever call for Weis' head, regardless of the next 7 years. I fully expect you to accept the future mediocrity and keep your mouth shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastereight Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Why is it that people put more credence in the opinions of those who have broader access in spreading those opinions? I see O'Leary as just another koolaid drinker who has no more insight than anyone who sat in front of a TV every football Saturday. Don't give his diatribe more weight than it deserves. He says we who criticize shouldn't dare claim Weis' future success as our own. Well . . . you pompous ass. I have no such worries, but I call upon you, O'leary, to keep eating the future failures of Weis with a broad smile. Don't YOU dare to ever call for Weis' head, regardless of the next 7 years. I fully expect you to accept the future mediocrity and keep your mouth shut. Word. I'm fine with not taking credit for Willingham's "success." That said, while Weis does not deserve to keep his job I will support him and I hope he succeeds. Keeping him is not the worst thing to happen but I do lean toward firing him 60-40. We don't have to worry about that any more though. The decision's been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Do you have access to practice? He does... Were you voted "Best American Sports Writing"? He was... I think he's been around it enough and had access to enough sports in his lifetime in ways that most of us haven't that he has insight we don't. How does your Kool-Aid of Hatred taste? Acidic? Sour? Is it served boooiiiling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.