...would you guys be on the Brian Kelly bandwagon if Cincy had gone 7-5? They are a few plays away from losing to Akron (it took a big time comeback in the 4th quarter to beat them by 2), Rutgers, and WVU. They also got blown out to Oklahoma (26-52) and UCONN (16-40). Some people on this board are making Brian Kelly out to be this dominant, proven commodity in the coaching world, but I just don't see it yet. It also didn't hurt to be in a situation where the cupboard is full of talent left by Mark Dantonio...

i agree im not really feeling kelley, rather wait another year hope someone better comes up

If he is loaded with talent then what have we got. In 06,07, & 08 they recruited no one with more than 3 stars at rivals. If these players are so talented then someone made them that way. How is our talent being developed ?

If he is loaded with talent then what have we got. In 06,07, & 08 they recruited no one with more than 3 stars at rivals. If these players are so talented then someone made them that way. How is our talent being developed ?

 

UC loses out on most of the best talent in the area. Kelly is developing players in a "System" and that is what scares me.

 

If an announcement does not come soon on Charlies fate, he will be here another year. Need to make a move and make it now. Offer someone you are sure about.

IMO We need position coaches that became too, too complacent over there tennor. Sometimes as in any job you slack off and dig in just to be comfortable. The fire is gone.

Im for anyone who can get us up to USC's level. I dont care what his or even her name is. FWIW I get the feeling Swarbrick is quietly looking around, testing the waters so to speak, to see if theres another option out there. If not Charlie will get one more year. Then I think we're going to see some new position coaches. Defense guys are going to stay in place I bet unless Corwin takes another job.

I believe Kelley is willing to wait for a year to give Weis his "5th" if he thinks he has a reasonable chance of landing at ND.

this is a hypothetical thread, kelly didnt go 7-5.....this thread is like saying would we want weis fired if he went 9-3?.....guess what, he didnt, and brian kelly didnt go 7-5

...would you guys be on the Brian Kelly bandwagon if Cincy had gone 7-5? They are a few plays away from losing to Akron (it took a big time comeback in the 4th quarter to beat them by 2), Rutgers, and WVU. They also got blown out to Oklahoma (26-52) and UCONN (16-40). Some people on this board are making Brian Kelly out to be this dominant, proven commodity in the coaching world, but I just don't see it yet. It also didn't hurt to be in a situation where the cupboard is full of talent left by Mark Dantonio...

 

The answer is maybe. But at the same time, we probably wouldn't be all over Charlie if he was 9-3 (Pitt, NC, Syracuse). Bottom line is Cinci won those games, ND didn't.

 

As for Oklahoma, you don't think they would have beat ND (a team with waaaay more talent than Cinci) by much more?

 

And I understand Dantonio was doing a good job there, but some of you are acting like he left a bunch of top 10 recruiting classes for Kelly. That's simply not true. Kelly is beating teams with more talent on a weekly basis. He did it at CMU and now he's doing it at Cinci.

 

You can make up situations all you'd like, but the bottom line is he's winning wherever he goes, with whatever he has to work with. Meanwhile, ND is racking up talented classes and floundering.

...would you guys be on the Brian Kelly bandwagon if Cincy had gone 7-5? They are a few plays away from losing to Akron (it took a big time comeback in the 4th quarter to beat them by 2), Rutgers, and WVU. They also got blown out to Oklahoma (26-52) and UCONN (16-40). Some people on this board are making Brian Kelly out to be this dominant, proven commodity in the coaching world, but I just don't see it yet. It also didn't hurt to be in a situation where the cupboard is full of talent left by Mark Dantonio...

 

The difference is that he didn't lose to Akron, Rutgers or WVU and we lost to Syracuse......

this is a hypothetical thread, kelly didnt go 7-5.....this thread is like saying would we want weis fired if he went 9-3?.....guess what, he didnt, and brian kelly didnt go 7-5

 

This is an interesting point. Yes, it is a hypothetical thread, but the circumstances of someone's record matters when evaluating the coach. For instance, CW's first year was much better than his second, even though he had the same number of losses. The reason is that his losses were closer and he had more dominant victories.

 

Listen, I don't Notre Dame should be after moral victories. I'm just saying that its only fair to take a real assessment of how Kelly's team played. That includes seeing what his team's win's look like, and also his losses. I think Mikey makes an interesting point. Some of his losses were REALLY bad, and some of his wins could have been losses.

If an announcement does not come soon on Charlies fate, he will be here another year.

 

I disagree with this statement, as a matter of fact i feel the complete opposite. In my eyes every day that goes by without a Swarbrick statement backing charlie, i feel is a little more likely that weis will not be back next year. First off, i have to believe that Swarbrick has made up his mind one way or another and looking at it from a recruiting standpoint Swarbrick could keep the poachers at bay by making a statement backing weis and the fact that he hasnt made that statement yet speaks volumes.

 

I have heard the same rumors as everyone else but those rumors havent changed my opinion as to what i believe is going on. I still believe and this is purely speculative i have no inside sources or information but i believe that swarbrick is using this week to find a suitable replacement. I dont think the administration wants to make the same mistake they did 4 years ago when they released ty without having a replacement lined up. We know what kind of media firestorm that brought with it. I am under the belief that if charlie weis is released, and thats still a big if at this point that when they make that announcement they will already have a replacement lined up and signed on the dotted line. If this is whats going on i think swarbrick is doing it the right way, it doesnt do the university any good to say weis is gone before a suitable replacement is lined up. This is just one fans opinion and nothing more but its what i believe is going on and i wont change my opinion until i hear something concrete from the university.

i agree im not really feeling kelley, rather wait another year hope someone better comes up

 

 

we should wait it out and find "the" coach

we should wait it out and find "the" coach

 

the problem with this idea is "who is "the" coach"? There are may 7-8 people out there that are considered "the" coach: Saban, Richt, Meyer, Carroll, Stoops, Tressel, Brown, Miles(?), and I have news for you, none of them are going to coach at ND - none, so get that idea out of you head.

 

So the tricky part is you have to go and find a good young coach and let him develop into "the" coach. The guys listed above didn't fall out of the sky, the developed themselves into the top coaches in the country, they weren't born that way.

 

For all any of us know, Brian Kelly may be "the" coach, I'm not saying that ND should hire him, but he may be "the" guy you never know....

I just started this thread because it seems like some on this board wants ND to be elite. Beating another elite team 35-3 elite. I like seeing Brian Kelly's record at Cincy so far (20-5 in two years), but his margin of victory isn't exactly breathtaking, and those tight games will eventually catch up with him. I see UVA as a good example. Won a BUNCH of tigh gamest and went on to a 9-3 regular season record in 07. This year could have been another 9-3 campaign for UVA, but a few bad breaks and they are sitting at 5-7.

 

I am not saying Brian Kelly isn't a good coach, or can be great someday. Just wanted to see if the Kelly backers would have still wanted him if he went 7-5 this year. Besides Ital-Irish, I do not see anyone really pulling for him. If Brian Kelly goes and wins the Big East again next year, and Weis does another choke job in 09, I think only then would I feel confident in Kelly possibly being the next great coach at ND.

...would you guys be on the Brian Kelly bandwagon if Cincy had gone 7-5? They are a few plays away from losing to Akron (it took a big time comeback in the 4th quarter to beat them by 2), Rutgers, and WVU. They also got blown out to Oklahoma (26-52) and UCONN (16-40). Some people on this board are making Brian Kelly out to be this dominant, proven commodity in the coaching world, but I just don't see it yet. It also didn't hurt to be in a situation where the cupboard is full of talent left by Mark Dantonio...

 

I don't necessarily think Kelly is the answer but the problem with your argument is that he wasn't 7-5. If you wanna talk close games let's talk about all the one's we lost this year. Kelly won close games. Weis lost close games. Period.

It's hard to say CW lost the close games when he did not account for one catch, block, tackle or run.....

It's hard to say CW lost the close games when he did not account for one catch, block, tackle or run.....

 

Are you serious? Why don't we just go coachless then?

We did...Look at the O_Line play and the play calling of the former OC...

We did...Look at the O_Line play and the play calling of the former OC...

 

Yeah and the difference was sooo dramatic when Weis retook control right?

That's like taking control of the wheel, just before the train wreck....