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The fans at the Cuse game were chanting for Brian Kelly, but I don't think he would want this job. He will have a ticket to the SEC at Tennessee. There are some names out there that are interesting.

 

Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy, Mike Leach, the guy I like is Gary Patterson at TCU. All these guys are innovative and are doing things with much less of a recruting availability.

 

I think another year of charlie and the unmotivational game plans will killl our recruiting classes and will damage us for years to come. I just don't think Charlie is the guy and the recruits that ND goes after are not because of Charlie alone. It is the program, the coordinators and the school. Once a kid hits the campus for a trip, it is very hard to turn down.

 

Don't give me Urban tLiar, give me a motivator that can think on his feet. If charlie wants to stay on as recruiting coordinator, great. He can continue to earn his salary, but will be in a personnel role.

 

What say YOU!!

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First off, Charlie would never take a lesser role as offensive coordinator. Not happening.

 

Second, Patterson is the front runner for the Clemson job it seems, and Tennessee wants Kelly, but I don't know if they'll get him.

 

Third, we all need to let go of the fact that Urban Meyer chose Florida 4 years ago. Seriously. Let it go. The guy wins football games, and to me, this is the equivalent of people pissing on recruits after they choose a school besides ND. I know some people here hate the guy, but he wins football games, can recruit, and is on pace to get his second national title this year. Why wouldn't we want him as head coach? Because he decided to go to a different school last year? Yikes.

 

I don't think Meyer has any interest in leaving Florida, and Stoops/Leach are a pipe dream. I'd say the list should start with Chris Petersen at Boise State. The guy just wins, he's got a BCS win under his belt against a far superior Okalahoma team in terms of talent...he seems like he'd be a good fit.

 

Kelly -- not as sold on him. But he has won at the collegiate level.

 

Lane Kiffin is a good recruiter but I don't trust guys who have never won at the college level as a head coach. I'm sure he could end up being a very good coach, I just don't see him as the man for the ND job.

 

Just my two cents.

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First off, Charlie would never take a lesser role as offensive coordinator. Not happening.

 

Second, Patterson is the front runner for the Clemson job it seems, and Tennessee wants Kelly, but I don't know if they'll get him.

 

Third, we all need to let go of the fact that Urban Meyer chose Florida 4 years ago. Seriously. Let it go. The guy wins football games, and to me, this is the equivalent of people pissing on recruits after they choose a school besides ND. I know some people here hate the guy, but he wins football games, can recruit, and is on pace to get his second national title this year. Why wouldn't we want him as head coach? Because he decided to go to a different school last year? Yikes.

 

I don't think Meyer has any interest in leaving Florida, and Stoops/Leach are a pipe dream. I'd say the list should start with Chris Petersen at Boise State. The guy just wins, he's got a BCS win under his belt against a far superior Okalahoma team in terms of talent...he seems like he'd be a good fit.

 

Kelly -- not as sold on him. But he has won at the collegiate level.

 

Lane Kiffin is a good recruiter but I don't trust guys who have never won at the college level as a head coach. I'm sure he could end up being a very good coach, I just don't see him as the man for the ND job.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Completely agree with you on Meyer. I would welcome him here IF he ever wanted to come. Chris Peterson is definitely a motivator and I will never forget his play calling against Oklahoma a couple of years ago. That was the best game I've seen in the past 15 years.

 

I absolutely love Gundy. He's been able to turn a program like OSU around. Not sure he would want to leave though. T. Boone Pickins has dropped millions of $ on that program to fix it and they may be the next contender. Their facilities are already impressing recruits.

 

BTW, Gundy is a fiery man. He doesn't take crap from the media either. Reminder:

 

 

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First off, Charlie would never take a lesser role as offensive coordinator. Not happening.

 

Second, Patterson is the front runner for the Clemson job it seems, and Tennessee wants Kelly, but I don't know if they'll get him.

 

Third, we all need to let go of the fact that Urban Meyer chose Florida 4 years ago. Seriously. Let it go. The guy wins football games, and to me, this is the equivalent of people pissing on recruits after they choose a school besides ND. I know some people here hate the guy, but he wins football games, can recruit, and is on pace to get his second national title this year. Why wouldn't we want him as head coach? Because he decided to go to a different school last year? Yikes.

 

I don't think Meyer has any interest in leaving Florida, and Stoops/Leach are a pipe dream. I'd say the list should start with Chris Petersen at Boise State. The guy just wins, he's got a BCS win under his belt against a far superior Okalahoma team in terms of talent...he seems like he'd be a good fit.

 

Kelly -- not as sold on him. But he has won at the collegiate level.

 

Lane Kiffin is a good recruiter but I don't trust guys who have never won at the college level as a head coach. I'm sure he could end up being a very good coach, I just don't see him as the man for the ND job.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Patterson does NOT pick Clemson over a ND job if it comes available. I just wanted to start a quiet discussion about the possibilities and I know charlie does not take a lessor role.

 

I like all of them because their record as a coach and motivator.

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The fans at the Cuse game were chanting for Brian Kelly, but I don't think he would want this job. He will have a ticket to the SEC at Tennessee. There are some names out there that are interesting.

 

Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy, Mike Leach, the guy I like is Gary Patterson at TCU. All these guys are innovative and are doing things with much less of a recruting availability.

 

I think another year of charlie and the unmotivational game plans will killl our recruiting classes and will damage us for years to come. I just don't think Charlie is the guy and the recruits that ND goes after are not because of Charlie alone. It is the program, the coordinators and the school. Once a kid hits the campus for a trip, it is very hard to turn down.

 

Don't give me Urban tLiar, give me a motivator that can think on his feet. If charlie wants to stay on as recruiting coordinator, great. He can continue to earn his salary, but will be in a personnel role.

 

What say YOU!!

 

I don't know why Kelly would want to go to what is now one of the worst programs in the SEC instead of ND. You have to play all those SEC teams every year=get your ass kicked because the cupboard there is pretty dry.

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The cupboard at UT is FARRRRRRRRRRRR from dry. The rest of this conversation is ridiculous. Not one of those choices, except Leach is worth hiring in place of Charlie. Try again.

 

You're right. My bad. I guess I assumed it was because of the record but I just checked and you were right. Even still, with that tallent that conference is relentless. If a USC type team and a Big Ten or Big 12 (maybe a better conference though) runs the table a 1 loss SEC team is probably out of the national title picture. Then you look at how hard it is to win a conference title. Idk, it's just crowded.

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The fans at the Cuse game were chanting for Brian Kelly, but I don't think he would want this job. He will have a ticket to the SEC at Tennessee. There are some names out there that are interesting.

 

Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy, Mike Leach, the guy I like is Gary Patterson at TCU. All these guys are innovative and are doing things with much less of a recruting availability.

 

I think another year of charlie and the unmotivational game plans will killl our recruiting classes and will damage us for years to come. I just don't think Charlie is the guy and the recruits that ND goes after are not because of Charlie alone. It is the program, the coordinators and the school. Once a kid hits the campus for a trip, it is very hard to turn down.

 

Don't give me Urban tLiar, give me a motivator that can think on his feet. If charlie wants to stay on as recruiting coordinator, great. He can continue to earn his salary, but will be in a personnel role.

 

What say YOU!!

 

 

I live near the TCU area, and have met Gary Patterson numerous times. Hes a nice guy, but I have heard he has quite a temper. although maybe thats what we need. He also recruits speed. He doesnt pay attention to stars, if they run a 4.1 and have no football experience, he'll sign 'em up. Heck, maybe he'd get Usain Bolt to come to ND to return kicks.

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You're right. My bad. I guess I assumed it was because of the record but I just checked and you were right. Even still, with that tallent that conference is relentless. If a USC type team and a Big Ten or Big 12 (maybe a better conference though) runs the table a 1 loss SEC team is probably out of the national title picture. Then you look at how hard it is to win a conference title. Idk, it's just crowded.

 

I've been telling everyone I would take Clemson if I had my choice right now. Clemson is loaded with talent and plays in the ACC. There is no better situation. Washington has zero talent. UT has talent but plays in the SEC.

 

Why IN GOD's name do people want to go after Brian Kelly, a relative no name at a lower tier school. He hasn't sustained himself long enough for consideration. I don't care how much he likes us. He's been at Cincinatti for a couple years. Yay, he's top of the Big East. That's a real accomplishment. Gruden or Leach would be the best options if considering anyone. Noone else, beside Saban, is worth mentioning. There's always Bill Cowher, though.

 

Like I said, this is pointless until next year, though. Firing Charlie now is too early for the fools who can't hold their water.

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From http://www.library.northwestern.edu/archives/exhibits/football/7.html:

 

1955, the year before Ara Parseghian came to Northwestern, was a major low in the history of the university's football program. The team, coached by Lou Saban, finished with a record of 0-8-1 -- the worst (at that time) in the history of Northwestern football. To make things even more bleak, their dismal record came at the end of the three-year slump which forced Bob Voigts' retirement after the 1954 season. The 1955 schedule promised "nerve tingling action," "versatility, power, and spirit" -- but all the small crowds who went to the games saw were losses.

 

Near the end of the season, talk began about Northwestern's place in Big Ten -- more specifically, leaving the Big Ten for a different conference. On November 1, 1955, the Daily Northwestern ran a front-page editorial which endorsed the move:

 

The time has come for all those concerned with football at Northwestern -- students, faculty, alumni, and administration -- to do a little sober thinking.

 

The university's gridiron fortunes, steadily on the downgrade for the last four years, reached a low ebb with last Saturday's 49 to 0 trouncing by Ohio State. That game was the 20th Big Ten defeat the Wildcats have sufferered since the start of the 1952 season.

 

During that period they have won a grand total of three games ...

 

Should we go winless, we will be the first Big Ten team since 1918 to do so, and the first Northwestern team since 1887, when only one game was played.

 

What does all of this mean?

 

To us it proves one thing -- that for some few years now Northwestern has not been fielding a team capable of meeting Big Ten opposition week after week.

 

We think that, under the present conditions, there are three courses open:

 

1.) Northwestern can let things ride as they are, and continue to lose six or seven conference games each year.

 

2.) Northwestern can make some drastic changes in its athletic policies and start fielding Big Ten caliber teams once more.

 

3.) Northwestern can get out of the Big Ten.

 

We doubt anyone concerned with the Wildcats' plight would be in favor of the first alternative ..

 

We think the third solution is the much more logical.

 

Northwestern did not, of course, leave the Big Ten. In 1956, Ara Parseghian took over as head coach, and while he may not have transformed the Wildcats into conference champions or bowl participants, he certainly brought them to respectability. From a 0-8-1 1955 season, Parseghian and captain Ted Ringer led the team to a 4-4-1 finish in '56, including wins over Wisconsin, Purdue, and Illinois.

 

Northwestern fans, ready for a turnaround of football fortunes, must have been quite shocked when Parseghian's 1957 team lost every single game by devastating margins -- Minnesota scored 41 to the Wildcats' 6, the Ohio State game finished 47-6, and both Purdue and Illinois beat Northwestern in 27-point shutouts.

 

The 1957 season, however, was a temporary jolt in Northwestern's recovery. In 1958, the team went 5-4, with tackle Andy Cverko gaining All-American honors -- in 1959, 6-3. For the latter season, the team chose four captains: James Andreotti (All-American center), Ron Burton (All-American halfback), Gene Gossage, and Mike Stock. The season began with six straight wins, over Oklahoma, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Indiana -- but after a 24-19 loss to Wisconsin, the Wildcats could not pull off another game. Michigan State slipped by with a 5 point lead, and Illinois won their annual game against Northwestern 28-0.

 

The real highlights of the next few years were wins over Notre Dame -- Northwestern "rivals" who were usually good enough that a Wildcat win was cause for celebration. Northwestern topped them by one point (7-6) in 1960, ending the season 5-4 -- the 1961 squad beat the Irish 12-10, and ended their season 4-5.

 

1962 was another stunning season for Parseghian -- the team, led by captain Jay Robertson, went 7-2 (this time trouncing Notre Dame 35-6), with big wins over Illinois (45-0), Miami (29-7), and Minnesota (34-22). The following year's squad ended 5-4, and in 1964, Parseghian moved on to a coaching position at Notre Dame.

 

When Ara Parseghian arrived at Northwestern, the school was on the brink of dropping out of its conference -- by 1963, the Wildcats had been transformed into true competitiors. Parseghian has since been enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame -- as has Ron Burton, his star halfback.

 

Ara was hired by Notre Dame and took the reigns for the 1964 season.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ara_Parseghian:

 

Following a 5-4 season in 1963, a falling out with Northwestern athletic director Stu Holcomb prompted Ara to contact the Rev. Edmund P. Joyce, vice president and chairman of the faculty board in control of athletics at Notre Dame. He asked if Hugh Devore was still an interim head coach and when Father Joyce affirmed that, Ara let it be known he was interested in the job. His interest was notable for two reasons: first, he was not a Notre Dame graduate, something that every head coach since Knute Rockne had been; and second, Parseghian was Presbyterian and not Roman Catholic. Neither was a prerequisite, especially since Harper, Rockne (who later converted), and McKeever were also not Catholics. After an undisclosed initial disagreement, Parseghian was hired as Notre Dame's 22nd head coach, inheriting a team that had finished 2-7 in 1963 and taking it to within 1:33 of an undefeated season and a national championship in 1964.
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Not long. I suppose I could have skipped the part quoting "The Daily Northwestern" article.

 

Interesting sidenote: Parseghian came to Notre Dame on the heels of two decades of forgettable football : from 1945 to 1963, Notre Dame went 58-50-1 under three coaches. Sound familiar?

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