Wow, what a JOKE , You call yourselves ND fans. Yet you're sounding like every other fan out there who thinks their program deserves to win a National Championship. I'm not gonna crunch numbers or do other comparisons that just make us look ordinary. Most of the experts said that ND would go 7-5. 6-6 and that this team was young and needed time to grow. Yet because they showed early signs of success this season you'all are ready to jump ship. I want to see Championships at ND too, but I'd rather build a champion than buy one. It's like a cat chasing his tail. Charlie is the right man for the job and he will turn this program around. That is, if you whiny snowballers will give him the chance. Lets wait

till the season is over like the AD has said, I am sure charlie will make some changes after the usc game , what will you say if the irish UPSET the trojans > different story now , he needs more time . nuff said . GO IRISH

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I hope you are right bro, I really do.

 

But, I give Charlie only next year...no more excuses, no more time looking to the future, next year is IT.

He gets enough rope to hang himself by next year. National relevance and exceeding objective expectations next year or the 5 year timer goes ding.

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Edited March 4, 201114 yr by jon33dn

Show me more than 2 losses on next year's schedule and I will show you a complete and utter failure.

 

Ask yourselves this: what are you going to do if you are sitting in your living room on September 5, 2009 having just watched ND lose to Nevada? I hate to say it but I fear this is a real possibility.

 

My philosophy on the Charlie thing is keep him only until we can land a top tier coach. If it's next month, then show him the door. If it's not for another year or two we will have to endure. You will have a hard time convincing me after what we have seen this year that CW has the makeup of someone who will lead us back to being elite.

Show me more than 2 losses on next year's schedule and I will show you a complete and utter failure.

 

Ask yourselves this: what are you going to do if you are sitting in your living room on September 5, 2009 having just watched ND lose to Nevada? I hate to say it but I fear this is a real possibility.

 

My philosophy on the Charlie thing is keep him only until we can land a top tier coach. If it's next month, then show him the door. If it's not for another year or two we will have to endure. You will have a hard time convincing me after what we have seen this year that CW has the makeup of someone who will lead us back to being elite.

 

Nevada beating us is a real possibility. They are way better than Syracuse....

 

If say a Meyer has his reps secretly working out a deal with Swarbrick at any point, then pay the man what he wants and lets move on. Look at what saban has done and how quickly he has done it at bama....we have the talent in place now, and Charlie did prove one thing, ND can still recruit elite talent if you are a tireless recruiter...so the pieces of the puzzle are all there...

I think that's the problem most people have, Rick. Most of us love Charlie as a person, and as an ND guy. I doublt we could get anyone who loves the school as much as he does. The question becomes will he actually be able to lead ND to be a consistent contender. From what we have seen recently, that question is becoming harder to answer in the affirmative. No one doubts his ability to scheme, but can he actually lead a team?

 

To me, if we had Saban (and I'm not suggesting we should, I'm just using him as a reference point), I think we could easily contend for a title over the next two years. I'm not saying we would definitely win one, I am just saying I would expect a 10-2/11-1 season at least once. With Weis, I think that scenario is possible at best and more likely doubtful. We clearly have the talent to win consistently in the future, but do we have the leadership?

 

Charlie loves ND no doubt. I wish it would work out...but it doesn't look like it will. He just can't seem to motivate for whatever reason....

 

Meyer seems to love ND too...its his "dream job" and he has coached here before so he knows all about the tradition, the fan base, etc...the fact that he says ND is his dream job this while coaching a top 3 program says alot....

Sorry, but I don't buy that I'm a "joke" of an ND fan if I don't think Charlie's the man for the job.

 

This is the type of loss we'd suffer at the hands of Davie. This is the type of loss we'd suffer with Willigham as our coach.

 

This team consistently plays with no fire, no emotion, and no drive. They don't beat good teams. They are constantly outcoached. At times, they looked lost on the field.

 

Charlie has never been a head coach and looks overmatched out there. He was beaten by a lame duck coach whose team was 2-8 coming into yesterday's game. Outcoached by a guy who won't have a job next year.

 

It's not working with Charlie as an ND coach. I wish him the best, I think he's a great guy -- but he's not the answer ND is looking for.

No rebuilding to do now.... Just motivate. then again, we dont have a LB at QB so maybe he's not such a good idea.

 

The price of a failed attempt at him is too high, we cant approach him, he'd more likely publicly burn us than take the job.

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He said that before taking the job, if I recall. It was just in a book that came out recently. He also spurned us because he saw the rebuilding job as too difficult. If it really was his dream job, he would have taken it, regardless of the surrounding circumstances.

 

But at that time, it was a family consideration which was the overiding issue...his kids are all out of the house now, except for the youngest...and also he no doubt was wondering if he could recruit successfully here...Charlie has proven it can be done here. Charlie got us the #1 class last year on the heels of a 3-9 debacle...so it can be done.

No rebuilding to do now.... Just motivate. then again, we dont have a LB at QB so maybe he's not such a good idea.

 

The price of a failed attempt at him is too high, we cant approach him, he'd more likely publicly burn us than take the job.

 

It would all have to be done quietly and behind the scenes if possible...with him approaching us first. I think the comments in his book tell you he is interested...

I think you miss the last part of what i was trying to say.

 

The price of a failed attempt at him is too high, we cant approach him, he'd more likely publicly burn us than take the job.

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Edited March 4, 201114 yr by jon33dn

ALL VERY GOOD POINTS , HERE IS MY TAKE ON THE STAFF CHANGES FOR NEXT YEAR, AS FOR THE MOTAVATION , I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE ASSISTANT COACHES , SO HERE IS MY PRIORTY LIST OF DEPARTURES THAT CHARLIE HAS TO MAKE AFTER THE USC GAME ; 1 JOHN LATINA,2 RHUBEN MENDOZ 3 MIKE HAYWOOD,1a RON PAULIS, THESE COACHES NEED TO MOVE ONTO GREENER JOBS AS I MUST FAULT THEM FOR NOT GETTING THE PLAYERS UP TO SPEED, THEY SHOULD BE DOING MUCH MORE I WOULD ASSIGN MORE DUTIES FOR JON TENUTA AND CORWIN BROWN , WHOM I THINK ARE RESPONSIBE FOR THE MAJOR SHARE OF IMPROVEMENTS , SINCE JON DOSEN'T CARE TO BE A HEAD COACH THEN I WOULD MAKE CORWIN MY CHIEF ASSISTANT, AND I WOULD GO BACK TO PLAY CALLING, . THIS SHOULD GET THE IRISH INTO THE BCS PICTURE BIG TIME . I INCLUDED RUBEN IN THIS BUNCH BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE THE VAST IMPROVEMENT IN MANY OF THE PLAYERS, WE HAVE SUPIEROR TALENT AND THIS YEAR WAS A START, WE LOST SOME THAT SHOULD HAVE WON , BUT WITH NEW PEOPLE IN PLACE WE SHOULD VASTLY IMPROVE IN 09 , CHARLIE HAS BEEN ON BOARD LONG ENOUGH HE SHOULD BE COACHING THE QB, NOT RON , THAT EXTRA ASSISTANT CAN BE USED AS NEEDED LIKE IN RUN AND RUN BLOCKING . THIS IS JUST MY OPINION . CHARLIE MUST SUCCEED

ALL VERY GOOD POINTS , HERE IS MY TAKE ON THE STAFF CHANGES FOR NEXT YEAR, AS FOR THE MOTAVATION , I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE ASSISTANT COACHES , SO HERE IS MY PRIORTY LIST OF DEPARTURES THAT CHARLIE HAS TO MAKE AFTER THE USC GAME ; 1 JOHN LATINA,2 RHUBEN MENDOZ 3 MIKE HAYWOOD,1a RON PAULIS, THESE COACHES NEED TO MOVE ONTO GREENER JOBS AS I MUST FAULT THEM FOR NOT GETTING THE PLAYERS UP TO SPEED, THEY SHOULD BE DOING MUCH MORE I WOULD ASSIGN MORE DUTIES FOR JON TENUTA AND CORWIN BROWN , WHOM I THINK ARE RESPONSIBE FOR THE MAJOR SHARE OF IMPROVEMENTS , SINCE JON DOSEN'T CARE TO BE A HEAD COACH THEN I WOULD MAKE CORWIN MY CHIEF ASSISTANT, AND I WOULD GO BACK TO PLAY CALLING, . THIS SHOULD GET THE IRISH INTO THE BCS PICTURE BIG TIME . I INCLUDED RUBEN IN THIS BUNCH BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE THE VAST IMPROVEMENT IN MANY OF THE PLAYERS, WE HAVE SUPIEROR TALENT AND THIS YEAR WAS A START, WE LOST SOME THAT SHOULD HAVE WON , BUT WITH NEW PEOPLE IN PLACE WE SHOULD VASTLY IMPROVE IN 09 , CHARLIE HAS BEEN ON BOARD LONG ENOUGH HE SHOULD BE COACHING THE QB, NOT RON , THAT EXTRA ASSISTANT CAN BE USED AS NEEDED LIKE IN RUN AND RUN BLOCKING . THIS IS JUST MY OPINION . CHARLIE MUST SUCCEED

 

 

That's crap. There's only so many assistant coaches you can blame before you have to look at the top.

 

Charlie needs to go. It's not working out.

kAT , I DO LOOK AT THE TOP , BUT JUST LOOK AT THE TALENT THAT CHARLIE HAS BROUGH TO NOTRE DAME THES PAST FEW YEARS, AND ANOTHER CLASS DUE IN IN THE TOP , GIVE THE GUY ANOTHER YEAR , THATS ALL . if we don;t get very much better then i say its time , i still say one more year . go Irish

Its syracuse. That loss is completely inexcusible. I understand the young argument, and I think most people looked at that fact when a pass was given last year and the many blown games (and almost blown games) this year. But the season is near its end, these kids should know the scheme, assignments, etc. and if they dont sure its the assistants fault, but these are not new guys and part of being a head coach is evaluating player and COACHES and he clearly has failed here, our o-line has sucked for 3 years, our players have looked weaker and slower (especially against top level teams) for 3 years. So, no I dont think he should get another year, but if a proper replacement (and im not on board with the idea that we need a big name guy, just a good coach from a winning team that can maximize the talent we have) cant be found then give him his last year. I will be the good Catholic and pray for victories, it seems like that might be our best hope, God, since the coaching has failed.

kAT , I DO LOOK AT THE TOP , BUT JUST LOOK AT THE TALENT THAT CHARLIE HAS BROUGH TO NOTRE DAME THES PAST FEW YEARS, AND ANOTHER CLASS DUE IN IN THE TOP , GIVE THE GUY ANOTHER YEAR , THATS ALL . if we don;t get very much better then i say its time , i still say one more year . go Irish

 

I don't understand this reasoning. I'm not trying to pick on you, but the road to being a powerhouse football program is littered with the bodies of coaches who were clamored for their recruiting prowess but couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag.

 

I just don't get this. Yeah, Weis can recruit and has put to bed the notion that ND can't attract top level talent. But that doesn't mean he's a good coach, and that doesn't mean we should continue to wait year after year to develop the talent that he's consistently showing he can't develop.

I don't understand this reasoning. I'm not trying to pick on you, but the road to being a powerhouse football program is littered with the bodies of coaches who were clamored for their recruiting prowess but couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag.

 

I just don't get this. Yeah, Weis can recruit and has put to bed the notion that ND can't attract top level talent. But that doesn't mean he's a good coach, and that doesn't mean we should continue to wait year after year to develop the talent that he's consistently showing he can't develop.

 

Exhibit A: Ron Zook

look charlie will get the players and we will have talent...one problem though...we will be a good team....NEVER a great team under charlie. with brady and samardzija and zibby and all the talent we had then...we were good...but couldn't win the big games...aka not Great. nothing will be different from the first two years

a consistant 9-3, 10-2 and getting blown out by every "GOOD" team that we play is not good enough....

 

2006:

Michigan 47-21

USC 44-24

LSU 41-14

 

not only do we not win big games...we don't even compete...these games are over by halftime....THAT is not good enough...notre dame is a championship school and those kinda games should not be settled for...no matter what the record is.

That's crap. There's only so many assistant coaches you can blame before you have to look at the top.

 

Charlie needs to go. It's not working out.

 

It's true that you have to look at the top Katz, but we all know Charlie will get his 5th year.

That's of course if he doesn't lose to Nevada or UW.

 

Why not let him kick Latina and Mendoza to the curb, and then see what the lines can look like.

The O line is still garbage, and that affects the offense incredibly.

They practically lose a down for us every series, either with horrible run blocking, or letting Jimmy run for his life or have to hurry.

That gives us 2 downs virtually every series!

Both lines get hardly any push and look so weak at times.

 

I think that replacing these coaches could have such a huge effect on this team.

 

Charlie never had to worry about an O line in the pros.

They were all the cream of the crop with the best of coaches behind them.

Now, it's the #1 thorn in his side.

Youth was an excuse that everybody embraced last year because it was pretty true.

The last 3 games have shown me that our high school all-americans on the line are getting punked!

 

There's no doubt in my mind that Latina will be gone next year.

 

If he isn't gone, than they should fire Charlie immediately for that reason alone.

It's true that you have to look at the top Katz, but we all know Charlie will get his 5th year.

That's of course if he doesn't lose to Nevada or UW.

 

Why not let him kick Latina and Mendoza to the curb, and then see what the lines can look like.

The O line is still garbage, and that affects the offense incredibly.

They practically lose a down for us every series, either with horrible run blocking, or letting Jimmy run for his life or have to hurry.

That gives us 2 downs virtually every series!

Both lines get hardly any push and look so weak at times.

 

I think that replacing these coaches could have such a huge effect on this team.

 

Charlie never had to worry about an O line in the pros.

They were all the cream of the crop with the best of coaches behind them.

Now, it's the #1 thorn in his side.

Youth was an excuse that everybody embraced last year because it was pretty true.

The last 3 games have shown me that our high school all-americans on the line are getting punked!

 

There's no doubt in my mind that Latina will be gone next year.

 

If he isn't gone, than they should fire Charlie immediately for that reason alone.

 

I just think that at some point, you can't blame the coaches (that he hired, by the way) underneath Weis as an excuse to have him hang around.

 

First it was Minter, now it's been Latina, Mendoza, whoever. Enough. It's like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic...