Can we maintain the current class?

[TorontoCroatian]

Do we lose any guys now potentially? I am sure all our commits will be hearing how Charlie is gone...and then the uncertainty pops into their heads.

 

Or do they stick around even with the possibility the Charlie goes? Do they have faith that with or without Charlie, ND is the place to be? Please let that be the case....

[bstokes]

I think we'll hold on to all our guys. Charlie will most likely be back. Especially after a bowl W

[ny]

I think it depends on how ND finishes. Now that I calm down a bit, all the Irish have to do is go all out against SC. Is it me or does it seem like CW is too calm. I mean remember when Rich Rod lost to PITT, he almost broke down on the podium. It’s like dam it hurts him. Bruton showed that emotion Tate looked shocked. That’s the look I want, not a guy laughing after your team choked for the third time. Don’t get me wrong I don’t want someone to lose all confidence in one self, but show some emotion. How can you want closers when you don’t put them in position to be closers? You don’t teach them how to be closers.

 

To tell you the truth everybody should has known something was wrong after tape gate. I mean I was watching ESPN NFL countdown today and Joey Porter maybe a big mouth but made some good points. If I knew where the blitzes were coming from, then I would know who my hot receivers are. The question is did those tapes make him a genius? If it did then my friends CW is the biggest fraud of all. At least Davie and Ty messed up because of incompetence. But CW messed up because maybe he never understood the game the way we thought he did. Too late to cry over spilled milk.

 

I’m in the navy and the one thing my superiors always told me is never tell someone to do something that you never did or won’t do. ND needs a coach that played the game. Lets be real if your facing marital problems are you going to listen to someone who’s been divorced 5 times or someone who has been married for 30 plus years. The thing is you need someone who the players can say, he’s been through it, he understands. The coach doesn’t have to be a great player, just someone how understands the daily grind of the game. To be real, he never did and that’s the sad part about it.

[irishwavend]

Yeah Quinn sure looked crappy when he was coached by Weis... How soon we forget.

[Pregame]

Like it or not, college football is "what have you done for me lately?" more than anything else (See: Solich, Frank). I think a few too many around here give Charlie a free pass for what he did his first year here. Since Charlie's first year, his tenure has been marked with failed expectations on the field. Recruiting has been above and beyond expectations and is probably what is keeping his ass around here.

[ND FANATIC]

I think we'll hold on to all our guys. Charlie will most likely be back. Especially after a bowl W

 

Im not sure if you've heard, but we just lost to a team with 2 wins and was considered by most everyone that cover college football to be one of the worst teams in D1.

What makes you believe we can win a bowl game against a team with a min of 6 wins ....?

[KamaraPolice]

Yeah Quinn sure looked crappy when he was coached by Weis... How soon we forget.

 

Name one good team that CW and Quinn beat. Just one. I'll give you a week to do the research. Make that a month. Actually, take all the time you need. Just one team that was better than Notre Dame that CW beat with Brady Quinn.

 

If Notre Dame is anything but competitive at USC CW needs to go. No more blowouts, no more excuses.

[kgd1001]

we need a coach who is emotional and will go out in the huddle and actually coach the players. he needs to get our team emotional and pumped up for every single game. he treats this like the nfl where nobody needs to be emotional but half of college football is emotion and pride and we are lacking that big time.

[irishwavend]

Name one good team that CW and Quinn beat. Just one. I'll give you a week to do the research. Make that a month. Actually, take all the time you need. Just one team that was better than Notre Dame that CW beat with Brady Quinn.

 

If Notre Dame is anything but competitive at USC CW needs to go. No more blowouts, no more excuses.

 

How about with your 22nd post YOU go do the research and report back to me that you actually have an argument that you can support. It's not my job to support your statement. Maybe if you did a little research you would figure out that we did what we were supposed to do. I forget, is it me or did Quinn set all sorts of records? I forget, but I think we nearly upset the national championship runner up if Ambrose Wooden had done his job. That was with a Defense coached by Rick Minter, not Corwin Brown.

 

Also, the What have you done lately for me attitude isn't limited to college football... It's prevalent throughout our impatient, short-sighted society. (see: Iraq) I'm realistic about the fact that we need to see what happens next year and then make a decision, but calling for heads this year is still ridiculous.

 

Go get me some numbers for your next post. Win-Loss records and conference/national rankings of every team we played with Quinn at the helm. Don't forget, Ty didn't leave us with a running back that was a gamebreaker. We were working with Darius Walker who ran like he had lead in his shoes. Once this team gets it together, we are going to be sick.

[irishziggy]

once this team gets together. when will that be? that's the question. It doesnt look like it'll be any time soon.

 

I still think CW gets one more year, but the progress isnt looking good. it seems like he cant get the most out of players and that's a problem.

 

As for the Brady Quinn comments and the '05, '06 teams. We were that much more talented than a lot of our opponents. Take away the miracle comeback vs. MSU & last second win over UCLA and we were 7-5. Two games vs. inferior opponents that we had to come back and win. It's part of college football though. Anything can happen.

 

And to Kamara, CW's first year over Michigan. Michigan was way more talented than us.

[Katzenboyer]

once this team gets together. when will that be? that's the question. It doesnt look like it'll be any time soon.

 

I still think CW gets one more year, but the progress isnt looking good. it seems like he cant get the most out of players and that's a problem.

 

As for the Brady Quinn comments and the '05, '06 teams. We were that much more talented than a lot of our opponents. Take away the miracle comeback vs. MSU & last second win over UCLA and we were 7-5. Two games vs. inferior opponents that we had to come back and win. It's part of college football though. Anything can happen.

 

And to Kamara, CW's first year over Michigan. Michigan was way more talented than us.

 

Michigan that year was ranked in the Top 10 to start the season and finished the season ranked outside the top 25. That was not a win against an elite team.

 

Charlie's wins this year have come against teams with a combined record of 18-49. We are not good, he has never won a big game, and he needs to go.

[Katzenboyer]

How about with your 22nd post YOU go do the research and report back to me that you actually have an argument that you can support. It's not my job to support your statement. Maybe if you did a little research you would figure out that we did what we were supposed to do. I forget, is it me or did Quinn set all sorts of records? I forget, but I think we nearly upset the national championship runner up if Ambrose Wooden had done his job. That was with a Defense coached by Rick Minter, not Corwin Brown.

 

Also, the What have you done lately for me attitude isn't limited to college football... It's prevalent throughout our impatient, short-sighted society. (see: Iraq) I'm realistic about the fact that we need to see what happens next year and then make a decision, but calling for heads this year is still ridiculous.

 

Go get me some numbers for your next post. Win-Loss records and conference/national rankings of every team we played with Quinn at the helm. Don't forget, Ty didn't leave us with a running back that was a gamebreaker. We were working with Darius Walker who ran like he had lead in his shoes. Once this team gets it together, we are going to be sick.

 

You didn't answer his question. Name a team who finished the year in the top 25 who we've beaten during Weis' tenure here.

 

It wasn't accepted with Willingham, and it shouldn't be accepted now.

[kgd1001]

How about with your 22nd post YOU go do the research and report back to me that you actually have an argument that you can support. It's not my job to support your statement. Maybe if you did a little research you would figure out that we did what we were supposed to do. I forget, is it me or did Quinn set all sorts of records? I forget, but I think we nearly upset the national championship runner up if Ambrose Wooden had done his job. That was with a Defense coached by Rick Minter, not Corwin Brown.

 

Also, the What have you done lately for me attitude isn't limited to college football... It's prevalent throughout our impatient, short-sighted society. (see: Iraq) I'm realistic about the fact that we need to see what happens next year and then make a decision, but calling for heads this year is still ridiculous.

 

Go get me some numbers for your next post. Win-Loss records and conference/national rankings of every team we played with Quinn at the helm. Don't forget, Ty didn't leave us with a running back that was a gamebreaker. We were working with Darius Walker who ran like he had lead in his shoes. Once this team gets it together, we are going to be sick.

 

dude ur dumb man. he was exactly right. we havent beaten a good team. never under charlie weis.

what would have happened if we went to the national championship in the 1st year....get blown out by a better team than ohio state who beat us pretty badly???

 

this is what it will be like next year and every year after that...jimmy will set records blah blah blah...we will beat the teams we are supposed to beat but we will never win big games...thats all.

[Irishman Part Deaux]

Name one good team that CW and Quinn beat. Just one. I'll give you a week to do the research. Make that a month. Actually, take all the time you need. Just one team that was better than Notre Dame that CW beat with Brady Quinn.

 

If Notre Dame is anything but competitive at USC CW needs to go. No more blowouts, no more excuses.

 

I don't care if we beat Fusc next week, he needs to go. absolutely ludicrous that our recruits cannot compete week in and out with the schedule we have.

 

UC just crushed Pitt, UNC just go CRUSCHED. We cannot compete with a decent team.

[Pregame]

Irishwave, you need to stop defending Charlie with homerism arguments and attacks on someone else. Who cares if he has posted 22 times, doesn't mean he isn't right (which he is).

 

Ultimately, I think that we will have a good chance of keeping this class together, but getting any of the longer shot guys like Teo and Jelani will be even harder now than it even was before. I will be happy to hold this class together though, hopefully we can make some noise with next year's class, which we seem to be in decent shape with, and be able to give Charlie or his successor some serious horses in the stables to win with.

[mcdougal93]

Irishwave, you need to stop defending Charlie with homerism arguments and attacks on someone else. Who cares if he has posted 22 times, doesn't mean he isn't right (which he is).

 

Ultimately, I think that we will have a good chance of keeping this class together, but getting any of the longer shot guys like Teo and Jelani will be even harder now than it even was before. I will be happy to hold this class together though, hopefully we can make some noise with next year's class, which we seem to be in decent shape with, and be able to give Charlie or his successor some serious horses in the stables to win with.

 

 

Maybe we could even have a Ron Zook type of situation here, where he was a great recruiter but couldn't win games. Once he left his succesor won the national championship.

[irishziggy]

Michigan that year was ranked in the Top 10 to start the season and finished the season ranked outside the top 25. That was not a win against an elite team.

 

Charlie's wins this year have come against teams with a combined record of 18-49. We are not good, he has never won a big game, and he needs to go.

 

they were still more talented as you could see how good they were the 2 years after that. they just had a down year

[Guest SirJohn]

Let'watch the language between posters on the board. This is a warning. If you disagree then go disagree, no name calling another poster.

[irishdread]

http://notredame.scout.com/2/814962.html

 

 

 

 

Charlie isn't going anywhere and neither are the recruits. All you guys talk about is the negative side of it all, well how about this.. a majority of last years class were about coming in and being a part of turning ND football back into a perennial powerhouse again. Who are we to say that this years class isn't the same ???? Maybe Moore and Teo and Gaffney and whoever else want to be that person to make a difference ?? Thats how I see it, and maybe so do they.

[Guest ndmike2003]

I have a rational argument for why Weis should not be fired: nobody wants the job. If Notre Dame does fire Weis, they better have a detailed plan and a short list of viable, as-kicking coaches. Unfortunately, they won't. It will be a Chinese fire drill clusterf just like it was after Davie, O'Leary, and Willingham were shown the door. As far as I can tell, the current administration is nothing but an extension of the regime operated by that smug intellectual shitstain Malloy. Specifically, Swarbrick or S\itbrick or whatever the f* has proven to be a tremendous pussy just like his predecessor. Frankly, this should come as no surprise given his extensive experience with international, Olympic event format administration and his complete lack of knowledge concerning the management of a multi-million dollar football operation. Further, the rest of the crew (Jenkins, Affleck-Graves, et al) has already established a track record of letting their arrogance interfere with the hiring process. The best, but certainly not the only, example of this is Urban Meyer. He wanted the job despite the fact that ND low-balled him on money (UF offered about $500,000) more. All he requested was a couple Junior College transfers a year to fill the massive holes left behind by Willingham and a few NCAA-qualifying athletes to get by that pompous mother f*r, Saracino. Basically, they told him to get bent and he went to Florida to win a National Championship in year two with, guess what, transfers and kids that barely qualified for the NCAA! On top of everything, after Meyer gave them all the bird, Notre Dame spurned Holtz' incredible gesture to step in for a year, on an interim basis, to manage the program and assist in a thorough, yearlong coaching search. As a result, the "brain trust" put together a list of three NFL assistants (Weis, Clements, and Blache) with an ND affiliation, neither of whom had any head coaching experience.

 

Basically, I'm willing to live and die with Weis because, under the current structure, we can't expect to do any better. Trust me, I would love to see Stoops, Meyer, Saban, Gruden, Cowher, or someone like that. Unfortunately, either ND would never make such a hire or these candidates would not want to work under the bulls**t that Weis, as a graduate, is willing to deal with. As a recruiter, which is the most important job of a college head coach, CW is in a class of his own. The talent that he has lured to Notre Dame given the handcuffs that are placed on the head coach of Our Lady's University is nothing sort of remarkable. I mean, if you would've told me a year ago that Notre Dame would get a commitment from a kid from Inglewood (CA) High School named Shaquelle, I'd have laughed in your face. And don't forget the tale of Johnathan Baldwin. He caught the game tying TD for Pittsburgh in Notre Dame stadium. He wanted to go to Notre Dame, bad. CW wanted him to go to Notre Dame, bad. Weis went to admissions over and over for this kid, and the poor kid took the SAT three times. Saracino, however, didn't budge and he went to Pitt.

 

In conclusion, the only answer to our problems is a radical transformation of the current structure so bad-as mother f****g coaches would be lined up around the block to restore ND to NCAA superiority. The required modifications include, but are certainly not limited to, 1) Never, under any circumstances, turn away a high school graduate that qualifies for the NCAAs, unless he has a Criminal record, 2) Allow Junior College transfers, 3) Develop a General Studies curriculum that does not include Calculus, etc., 4) Build a Football Dormitory (off-campus with no Parietals, etc.), and 5) Institute a branch of the Athletics Department that handles Football Team disciplinary issues and NEVER dismisses a player for anything alcohol related (see Yeatman and Powers-Neal). And if they do this and hire a John Gruden or comparable, everyone better get down on their knees and praise CW for the talent that he has brought in and the fact that he has busted his as to ensure that the program doesn't spiral into greater inferiority. Otherwise, I suggest sticking with Weis because, as a grad that loves ND as much as any of of us, he is the best option for the current ND approach to football, which we all know will never change enough to attract the Nick Sabans of the world.

Edited November 27, 2008 by SpeedsterX