Jason Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Thought this article was interesting http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081120/COLUMNISTS0306/811200343/1065/SPORTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchingjedi Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Great find. I find that very interesting. I had not heard that much about Urban's desire to coach at ND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon33dn Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) the phrase "dance with the girl who brought you" comes to mind. A person who thought ND was their dream job? that would be Mr. Weis, he took the ND job when the program had just been grossly mismanaged. Meyer wouldnt. Urby will be in the NFL next. After the pain or Petrino and Spurrier is out of the minds of NFL owners and GM's they will come back to college and sadly Urby is one of the better college coaches, but more importantly, he is one with the ambition to leave a good program and take the payday. That assumes that the NFL will keep paying coaches more than college, which is sometimes not the case even now. Could Urby replace Weis sometime in the future? absolutely, but that song and dance about his family, is prob not the whole reason he didnt end up at ND. the cupboard being empty is the rest of that story. ND had probation-like depth and talent issues that are just now beginning to be resolved. Urby is a smart ambitious guy, and wont walk into a situation where he will fail. After charlie retires, and ND coaches, even good ones, still only last ~10 seasons, maybe urby will be up next. I could think of worse things. but for now, lets let charlie continue developing this team and evaluate after the next year or two. ________ CHRYSLER TEVAN Edited March 4, 2011 by jon33dn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastereight Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) I want to point out one of the comments from a gator fan on that article: Very interesting. I personally like Weis and think he does have things going in the right direction. Last year was more a result of Willingham not recruiting. However, it's true I'd trade Weis for Meyer in a heartbeat... Edited November 21, 2008 by rdrdreamer Cannot Cut and Paste...sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishKevin Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) This was a comment after the article. I know we should all take this with a huge grain of salt but I like the thinking it provokes. Especially the part dealing with getting the name recognition at Florida to prepare him to recruit (down the road after Weis) at Notre Dame. I too have always thought our "relationship" with Urban is not over. I strongly believe we will see him down the road. But don't get me wrong, I am still barely holding onto the fat man's bandwagon but only by my fingertips. Edited November 21, 2008 by rdrdreamer Portion of Cut and Paste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishziggy Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 i would def take Meyer as a coach. The only reason I hate him right now is b/c he steals recruits from us. If he steals recruits for us, ill buy him something for christmas lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 NEVER. You keep urban I'll take Weis in a heart beat. Y'all forgetting when the jobs popped up Urban's Dad advised him to screw ND and go to Florida. That's where it was that's where it lays and stays. I want nothing to do with Urban at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastereight Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 i would def take Meyer as a coach. The only reason I hate him right now is b/c he steals recruits from us. If he steals recruits for us, ill buy him something for christmas lol Yeah I know right haha. I still get depressed over Omar Hunter from time to time. If he somehow manages to get Cierre I'm gonna freak out. I don't think that's gonna happen though. I hope Hunter likes riding the beeench! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) Yeah I know right haha. I still get depressed over Omar Hunter from time to time. If he somehow manages to get Cierre I'm gonna freak out. I don't think that's gonna happen though. I hope Hunter likes riding the beeench! Right now, Trattou hurts more than Hunter. Have you seen him just dominating recently? (Of the Florida games I have gotten to watch) edit: reading that, I almost forgot about all the things I've been hearing with him badmouthing Notre Dame on the recruiting trail... Having said that, I'm pretty sure if Urban were hired, we would all warm up to him...especially if he starts winning big Edited November 21, 2008 by Franco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 This was a comment after the article. I know we should all take this with a huge grain of salt but I like the thinking it provokes. Especially the part dealing with getting the name recognition at Florida to prepare him to recruit (down the road after Weis) at Notre Dame. I think it's more that he's waiting for someone to bring in blue chippers so when he comes in on his white horse, he'll win easily and that'll make recruiting even easier for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 It hurts me worse. My priest source, now diceased, assured me Ragone, Trattou etc were ND locks. I reported this heavily in Recruiting here at DD, which I seldom do as you guys know more then I. When he jumped ship it was like a kick in the Nu** for me and that priest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessemoore97 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I will never support Meyer as a coaching candidate again for ND. I have a hard time understanding when your dream job opens up, you don't seize the opportunity. Turning ND around and returning it to glory under your watch, can you think of a more respectable and recognized crowning achievement in football? I can't. If he didn't want to come because it wasn't the right time for him and he felt that it would take too much to turn ND into a winner, and family conflicts about returning to ND, then fine I can understand if he wasn't up for the challenge and would consider ND later in his career when the time was right for him to step in. I cannot get over the crap that he's pulling now against ND. For someone who wants to coach here why does he continually badmouth and trash ND to recruits? I understand that recruiting is never over until the ink is dry on signing day and up until that point recruits can and will be contacted by other schools, that's fair. However why would Meyer need to tear down ND to make himself and UF look good? Can't he sell the positives of UF without having to resort to tearing down other schools, especially ND which he claims to have some reverence for? Meyer had his opportunity to coach at ND and has since made it and many of his staff's agenda to bring down ND and speak ill will about her. He is NOT a ND man and would not represent the university well IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pregame Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Even at the time, I had absolutely no problem with Urban going to Florida over ND. Its a better program, better talent, better location and possibly even better pay. He's also won a national championship and could be well on his way to a second. At the time it was probably the right decision for him. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Urban on ND's sidelines at some point. I wouldn't mind it either, he's a good coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenboyer Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Lou Holtz absolutely ADORES the guy. That says enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest irishrick Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 i can't blame him for going to Florida , i think thats where he should stay , if that was a dream job he should have taken it , he chose Florida, good for him he can stay there , Charlie came back to Notre dame as he knew it was going to be tough and look at what he has done , sure were down last year, but you can see the turnaround this year , and got to remember Charlie does have some health problems h e has settled here in the area , has a good recruiting class coming in again , good coach and he is getting his stuff together , just look at the grad rate at Fla and the incident rates there , i say keep the young man my vote is stick with the horse that brought us here keep Charlie. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Katen IMHO, I feel time has passed Lou by or else he would be coaching again. He was great in his era but that is long, long gone, and all we have are memories of the past. Stay at the ESPN desk fighting Mays. You love urban that's your problem Lou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Katzen IMHO, I feel time has passed Lou by or else he would be coaching again. He was great in his era but that is long, long gone, and all we have are memories of the past. Stay at the ESPN desk fighting Mays. You love urban that's your problem Lou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donjuan Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I could respond with my homer-glasses on, but I'll be realistic. Urban won a NC at Florida already. He inherited a team without gaps, a solid recruiting base, and a rational fan base. So do you think he made the right decision? I do. I was pissed like everyone else when he snubbed ND, but let's get over it folks. He's winning, he's recruiting, he's outcoaching, and everybody hates his success. Everywhere he's gone he's won. Maybe not the best NFL preparer, but who cares? This is college football, and our cutesy NFL crap hasn't worked so far. I'd definitely take him in the future if he wanted to come. He definitely made the right decision for himself, his family, and his career, and if we can't see that--then we've all become blinded by our ND bias. Call it like it is, Urban is a great coach. A Lou Holtz disciple with a fiery passion to win no matter where. We'd be foolish not to want him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchingjedi Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I cannot get over the crap that he's pulling now against ND. For someone who wants to coach here why does he continually badmouth and trash ND to recruits? I understand that recruiting is never over until the ink is dry on signing day and up until that point recruits can and will be contacted by other schools, that's fair. However why would Meyer need to tear down ND to make himself and UF look good? Can't he sell the positives of UF without having to resort to tearing down other schools, especially ND which he claims to have some reverence for? You can't blame Meyer for doing his job. It hurts losing kids like Trattou and Hunter but come on if these kids really wanted to stay with ND it wouldn't matter who was saying what to them. If Urban becomes our coach I would welcome him with open arms. He is a proven winner by means of excellent recruiting, rebuilding programs and developing talent on his team. We haven't hired a head coach with a proven track record and experience since 1986. 2010 will be an interesting year either proving that Charlie can or can't compete at an elite level. At that point he will be midway through the "10 yr herculean contract" and Urban will be half way through his current 5 yr deal with one less child at home. Dec, 2010: UM: Now, let's go over the defensive game plan. It's our chance to establish a dynsasty and win our 3rd national title in 6 years but this is the toughest offense we have seen. Secretary: Coach, there's a Mr. Swarbick on the phone for you. UM: Check that, guys let's take a break and reconvene after lunch. (assistant coaches exit) UM: Jack, I've been expecting your call. *what follows is up for debate* a) JS: Urban, as a friend of the university, just wanted to say we look forward to our matchup with you next month. b) JS: Father Jenkins and I would like to meet with you tonight over dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gloves Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I would take Urban as HC in a NY Minute!!! Any of you who say otherwise are simply delusional. Urban and the Poodle are probably the 2 best coaches in CFB and if he decided to take the HC job we would be immensely better off for it! I don't care about the reasons for him turning the job down 4 years ago (which btw I think ND has to share some blame in not getting him then also).....all I care about is winning football games the right way and restoring ND to its rightful place among college football's elite. People shouldn't act all high and mighty regarding Urban and the past....the fact is he would be doing a much better job right now than CW and staff, and he would definitely be having us a player for NC's again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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