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From the South Bend Tribune.com

 

After this, all I can think is Demi Jones is not ready for Prime Time as ND Spokesmen QB and leader.

 

 

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January 17. 2006 6:59AM

 

Art of self-defense

Recruit Jones says race factor in rumors

 

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JEFF CARROLL

Tribune Staff Writer

 

 

 

Despite a rash of late suitors, Chicago high school quarterback Demetrius Jones said Monday that he still plans to sign with Notre Dame on Feb. 1.

 

And, contrary to some of the speculation making the current rounds, the Irish verbal commitment fully intends to play quarterback at ND.

 

Conjecture about a Jones position change has gone from isolated speculation to rampant rumor in recent weeks, fueled by the program's just-ended flirtation with Springdale, Ark., QB Mitch Mustain. A shoulder injury Jones suffered late in his high school season only added to it.

 

 

And Jones believes there's another more sinister factor at play, as well -- his race.

 

"That's a no-brainer," said Jones, who is African-American. "Of course there's still a racial thing when it comes to quarterbacks."

 

Mustain's mother Beck Campbell confirmed to the Tribune Monday that her son and Notre Dame had mutually parted ways on the recruiting trail.

 

Even when Mustain, the No. 1 QB prospect in the estimation of most recruiting services, was in the picture, though, Jones said he never wavered on his own commitment to ND -- as a quarterback.

 

"Last time I checked, that's what I got offered for," said the 6-foot-4, 200-pounder from Chicago's Morgan Park High School. "I don't understand -- if they wanted Mustain so bad, they probably would have dropped me.

 

"That's just the people who are not experts about football, who don't really know anything. They bring up that position-change stuff. These are people who sit at home with their computers with nothing to do all day, every day. All they do is take breaks at their jobs. They get on the football forum and they bring up that type of stuff. It never crossed my mind about playing another position, unless it's by choice."

 

A Mustain signing would have given the Irish three consensus Top 100 quarterbacks, also including Mechanicsburg, Pa.'s Zach Frazer, in one recruiting class. The potential full house was one reason some armchair experts forecast a Jones switch.

 

The racial aspect is further beneath the surface but, Jones said, still undeniable.

 

He is aware that Notre Dame's last two starting black quarterbacks, Carlyle Holiday and Arnaz Battle, were switched to wide receiver during the course of their careers in South Bend. And if he didn't know it before, he found out from plenty of rival recruiters. Jones told Irish Sports Report in its Nov. 13 issue that opposing coaches have tried to use those examples to sway him away from ND.

 

But he is also aware that Notre Dame's last national championship team in 1988 was guided by a run-first quarterback, Tony Rice, who also happened to be black.

 

"I just don't understand people's motives in there," Jones said, referring mostly to Internet fan forums. "It's a stereotype (we) have to live by. I don't know if anyone was watching the BCS games, but a quarterback is a quarterback. If you're a dual threat, the more the merrier.

 

"It isn't my job to try to figure people out. At the same time, I just don't understand their motives. When someone's winning for them, which I will be doing for Notre Dame, you've got to take the good with the bad that comes with it. The stereotypes, the race, the hatred, you just have to accept that with it."

 

The merits of mobile quarterbacks have been at issue lately in all levels of football. While Vince Young led Texas to a Rose Bowl victory with 200 yards rushing against USC and Ohio State's Troy Smith tortured ND in the Fiesta Bowl, the NFL playoffs have been dominated by traditional pocket passers. Atlanta's Michael Vick, considered a revolutionary talent at one time, was unable to get his team into this year's playoffs.

 

Also this season, a key figure in the Philadelphia NAACP stirred up controversy when he accused Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb of essentially turning his back on his race by becoming more of a pocket quarterback than he was in his first few years in the league. A few years ago, conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh said McNabb was lauded with unwarranted praise by a liberal-slanted media.

 

It's no surprise which side of the debate, with its implicit and uncomfortable racial undertones, that the mobile Jones falls on.

 

"If Brady Quinn could've scrambled, we could've won the Fiesta Bowl," Jones said. "They were blitzing him just like they were blitzing Vince Young and Troy Smith. If Vince Young couldn't scramble, you think Texas would've won the Rose Bowl?"

 

Jones also said he'd take Quinn as the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft if the ND quarterback was coming out this season, which he isn't.

 

Jones said Monday there is no reason to worry about his shoulder -- he's been rehabbing it, forgoing his senior year of basketball at Morgan Park to do so. He said it is "80 to 85 percent" right now.

 

Though he said rhetoric by opposing recruiters is "getting ugly" as signing day nears, he's 100 percent committed to Notre Dame.

 

"There are two positions everybody in America knows -- they know who the president is and they know who the quarterback at Notre Dame is," Jones said. "That's motivating."

 

Staff writer Jeff Carroll:

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That was a great read on Weis.. Mike Farrell from sporting news had a article on Weis too about the same thing..He actually praised CW for what he did and said , that this would help him out with other recruits for next year.Mike brought up the trust factor that these recruits will have with CW now that CW kept his promise with Zack and Jones..

 

All I can say about Jones article is that he just expressing himself and letting everyone know that he will be fighting for that starting job at QB.

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Hi Gwood Sigh! Yes, expressing his opinion. I do hope he understands after Feb 1 he must 'shut up.' After the ND mess with Ty, this 'race' was not the smartest move to help ND. Nore was, in effect saying if Brady could scramble we could have beaten Ohio. That's IF and woulda, shouda, couda talk. That's his future teammate, CAPTAIN and maybe Heismen winner. The 'by choice' in effect is a bit like saying 'I will be QB and nothing else the coaches decide. (Where's TEAM?)

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In a way...You and I all of DD, anyone who is a fan discussing our love of ND got trashed by what he said concerning internet chatter. He expressed his view indeed, I just expressed mine now as you expressed yours and others will, which is WONDERFUL.

 

More or less he did just fed ND 'haters" a nice T Bone steak.

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Hey Sir JOhn,

I would have to agree with you 100% on what you just said.Didn't look at in that way about the race thing and TW.When and IF he comes in and gets the starting job.Then brakes all BQ records that he just broke then Maybe and I mean Maybe he can express about a dual threat QB.

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:) No problem. This was just not the wisest interview I ever read. That is why Charlie only at set times let's you interview assistant coaches or players. Otherwise they are all off limits. (Losse lips sink ND ships) He has said "They are kids what do they know?" If you want information come to me. Bilichik method.
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GWood...THANKS! :) All Credit to GWOOD for mentioning this article.

 

GWood if you come across other articles dump them wherever they may fit, recruiting Gen discussion. So again thanks from DD. Keep it up.

 

From SportingNews.com per Gwood

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Weis keeps his word in the recruiting process

January 16, 2006

 

The recruiting game has become more and more about who you can trust and who you can't. Can you trust 17-year-old kids who give you a verbal commitment six months before Signing Day? Will you stop recruiting a certain position because a hotshot stud has told you for weeks that he's heading your way? On the flip side, can recruits trust coaches who tell them they won't recruit any other players at their position? Is it safe for either side to stop entertaining interest from other parties? In the case of Springdale, Ark. quarterback Mitch Mustain, trust hasn't been much more than a word thrown about by both player and coaches.

 

Mustain, the nation's No. 2 quarterback and arguably the most heavily recruited player ever out of his home state, wanted to get the recruiting process over with before his season started. The 6-3, 208-pounder wanted to focus on his senior year and a state title. So when push came to shove in August as the season loomed, Mustain told Arkansas head coach Houston Nutt he was coming to Fayetteville, seemingly to save Nutt's job and the program. A bond of trust had been formed.

 

It would soon be broken.

 

After a 4-7 season, the second straight losing campaign under Nutt, the head coach decided some changes needed to be made. Nutt fired quarterbacks coach Roy Wittke, the man responsible for developing Matt Jones into an SEC standout and the QB guru Mustain was looking forward to working under -- the quarterback guru who Mustain was told he'd be working with at Arkansas. The Mustain family heard about the firing from newspaper reporters well before it was announced and well before Nutt told his future star. At least that's how the story goes.

 

So Mustain decided to abandon his word -- as he felt Nutt had -- and de-commit from Arkansas and open his recruitment back up in early December. A few weeks later, Mustain's head coach at Springdale, Gus Malzahn, was hired as the new offensive coordinator for Arkansas. Still, Mustain didn't budge. By this time he had his eyes and heart set on another coach and program -- the one Charlie Weis runs in that little town of South Bend, Ind. Now it was time to test Weis' level of trust.

 

Weis had taken verbal commitments from two top quarterbacks during the summer, Pennsylvania slinger Zach Frazer and Chicago star Demetrius Jones. He told both that two was his maximum at quarterback and he wouldn't take a third. Weis was also assuring super recruit Jimmy Clausen, the top quarterback in the 2007 class and one of the most hyped signal-callers in years, that Frazer and Jones would be his competition at Notre Dame should he decide to come. At the time of all these promises, Weis had no idea the Springdale soap opera would unfold.

 

To his credit, Weis never offered Mustain again, standing by his word not only to his two quarterback commitments but also to Clausen, who just so happened to be on campus Saturday for a Notre Dame junior day. But you know it had to be tempting. Great quarterbacks to Weis are like dates with Pamela Anderson, they don't come along often at all, but if you get one, tremendous things could happen. Passing up on Mustain had to go against every fiber of his offensive coordinator being, but it was the right thing to do and Weis knows it.

 

In this little game of recruiting where trust is such a big deal and is betrayed as often as Terrell Owens says something stupid, chalk one up on the good side for Weis. And maybe, just maybe, Mustain will sign with Arkansas and keep his commitment as well.

 

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Mustain

Posted by ezcardfan on Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:14 am

 

Weis did the right thing. If this Mustain is anything like Dave Mustain (Im sure they are not related??) then ND is better off without him.

 

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Smart move

Posted by cowsvils on Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:42 am

 

Although weiss may be criticized about this in the short term, if he keeps this up it could bode very well for him in the long term. If players know that they can trust weiss so that when he says that you and this guy are going to be one of the two freshmen at position x on our team next year, that you really will be one of two, that it'll give weiss a leg up.

 

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Greedy

Posted by hashae on Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:17 pm

 

If Weiss did try to get Mustain too, I think that would have been kind of greedy. I think if Mustain was smart he wouldn't go there anyway, I mean he already would have Two quarterbacks in his class coming there, but he would have Clausen coming next year too. From what I've heard about Clausen he may not start as a freshman but he defintely will start as a sophmore, he's just that good. Weis is still a stand up guy though most coaches these days would have been greedy and taken Mustain for their program

 

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Posted by ptrain33 on Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:57 pm

 

I heard that Mack Brown told QB recruit Jevean Snead the same thing that he wouldn't recruit any more QB's. Don't think Mack saw Mustain decommiting, but from what I heard Mack has so far also kept his word to Snead.

 

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weis is class personified

Posted by proveout on Mon Jan 16, 2006 02:11 pm

 

This is the same guy who after what will probably be the most heartbreaking loss of his life (the usc loss in october) went to the USC locker room to congratulate them on a great game.

 

All these socalled experts who had weis leaving Notre Dame high and dry after a year to go the nfl simply do not know what this man is all about.

 

Notre Dame is quite lucky to have him. No wonder all thesse top recruits want to play for him.

 

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Mustain stays in SEC

Posted by SECfan on Mon Jan 16, 2006 02:24 pm

 

Weis is a stand-up guy, but Notre Dame's QB coach, David Cutcliffe, is now at Tennessee - which is one compelling reason Mustain may end up in Knoxville. He wants to play for the guy who coached two Mannings and won a national title at Tennessee.

 

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Posted by proveout on Mon Jan 16, 2006 02:49 pm

 

actually cutcliffe never coached at Notre Dame due to his heart problem. as for Mustain would he go there with eric ainge already in place as the starter?

 

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Not sure your facts are correct, sir

Posted by chasscres on Mon Jan 16, 2006 03:24 pm

 

Before we decide to canonize Mr. Weis, let's point out that a) Mustain still has an offer from ND, so there was no need for him to "offer Mustain again;" b) it's not that difficult for Mr. Weis to seem "trustworthy" when he already has commitments from two All-American QBs for 2006 and the guy who will likely be the top QB next year. Take those away, and he's on Mustain like white on rice. If you don't think so, you don't know anything about recruiting.

 

Finally, I have no idea who Dave Mustain is, ezcardfan, and clearly you know just as much about Mitch. He is -- from what I can tell based on watching him interviewed on TV -- a bright, earnest young man who is trying to make a difficult decision while being examined under a media microscope. Many ARK fans like me were quite angry when he opened his recruiting back up, but it is really ridiculous to see articles like this one impugn his character and make Weis out to be the next pope. Spare me.

 

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spin city

Posted by jk616 on Mon Jan 16, 2006 03:26 pm

 

i have always liked farrell, but this is nothing more than another example of someone in the national media spinning a story to the end they want. weiss has two highly rated quaterbacks in his back pocket and quinn for another season. why in the world would he sign mustain if it would blow his chances for clausen. mustain is highly rated, but from what i hear, clausen is the most sought after recruit in years. if he gets clausen, then frazer, mustain, or whoever he picks is only going to start for one year at the most (if clausen is as good as they say), and then become a backup. as for his analogy, it's more like weiss passing on a date with pam anderson because he knows that he has a good shot at angelina jolie. if weiss gets clausen, he made a smart move, but that's all it will be is smart. he's not some kind of superhuman honest saintly god who will forgo winning in order to keep his word.

 

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Mustain supposedly offered by N.D. -- retraction coming?

Posted by craigsl on Mon Jan 16, 2006 03:28 pm

 

Not sure the real truth in the story, but several sources including Mustain himself on the local news last night (KARK) have reported that Weiss offerred Mustain over the weekend.

 

So just curious as to what Weiss said to his supposedly only two recruits over the weekend?

 

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Re: weis is class personified

Posted by yahdeeblah on Mon Jan 16, 2006 03:52 pm

 

proveout wrote:

No wonder all thesse top recruits want to play for him.

 

There's a pretty simple reason so many top QB recruits want to play for him. Two words: Tom Brady.

 

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Well

Posted by Awile on Mon Jan 16, 2006 03:53 pm

 

From what i understand weis had already tried to recruit mustain early on and he told him no, so weis went to pursue other options

 

the bright side to this,is that next recruiting class, blue chippers and other recruits will see thatyou can't sit on the fence with ND and think you will just get in off of your stats

 

I would have loved for mustain to come to the irish, but the coach made his decision.

 

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Posted by yahdeeblah on Mon Jan 16, 2006 03:54 pm

 

proveout wrote:

as for Mustain would he go there with eric ainge already in place as the starter?

 

If he has any selfconfidence (a prerequisite far a starting QB), then Ainge shouldn't scare him away.

 

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Hot date

Posted by yahdeeblah on Mon Jan 16, 2006 03:58 pm

 

Farrell wrote:

Great quarterbacks to Weis are like dates with Pamela Anderson, they don't come along often at all, but if you get one, tremendous things could happen.

 

Like contracting Hepatitus C.

 

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YAHHHHEEEDA

Posted by bybybilly on Mon Jan 16, 2006 04:21 pm

 

More West Coast bias on these blogs, nothing wrong with Pam at least as far as these eyes can see.

Mustain will stay in the SEC

 

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Posted by proveout on Mon Jan 16, 2006 04:41 pm

 

actually i think the offer went off of the table after Notre Dame signed Zach frazier.

 

I don't get what you are saying. I mean eveb after players committ it is no secret that other schools still actively recruit them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. As far as I am concerned until a player actually signs that letter of intent on committment day in february he is fair game. And believe me as a Notre Dame fan who saw reggie Bush committ only to change his mind and go to USC they have had their fair share decommitt.

 

as for Mustain i see nothing wrong with him looking at his options.

 

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Re: YAHHHHEEEDA

Posted by yahdeeblah on Mon Jan 16, 2006 06:46 pm

 

bybybilly wrote:

More West Coast bias on these blogs, nothing wrong with Pam at least as far as these eyes can see.

 

I was referencing her claim a couple of years ago that she contracted Hep. C from Tommy Lee, when they got matching ring tatoos, and shared a needle. Tommy Lee, of course denied this allegation.

 

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Wait, no "USC is the best team ever" blogs?

Posted by dc_sooner on Mon Jan 16, 2006 07:44 pm

 

Where am I? I thought every blog on the Sporting News boards was about how USC is the best team ever and that any other team is schlock!

 

Kidding aside--I think Weis did a great thing. The only thing you can never truly regain is your integrity and your credibility. Once you undermine that, it's over and you have to start doing underhanded things to get what you want.

 

Weis, thank you for inserting a little shred of honestly and dignity into an otherwise corrupt recruiting process.

 

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dc sooner

Posted by bybybilly on Mon Jan 16, 2006 08:37 pm

 

This blog is about USC, we just aren`t there yet.

 

Wonder why Pete doesn`t get those decommits?

 

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Hate to say this

Posted by intheknown on Mon Jan 16, 2006 08:38 pm

 

With coach weis bringing in top recruits around the country. This is gonna have all the makings of the great SC/ND tradition even better. In a couple of years SC vs ND will be the game to watch around the country and will help each program recruit their respective propects. Im tired of the Mich/OSU big game or the red river shootout. Carroll vs Weis can anybody beat that?

 

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Weiss selling ND

Posted by chaddawg77 on Mon Jan 16, 2006 08:57 pm

 

ND finally has a coach that is a ND guy and can sell the school although this never should have been hard.

Kids want to goto the NFL

#1 to do so you need to be on TV hmmm check.

#2 and running a NFL system helps too.

 

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Posted by Gipperone on Mon Jan 16, 2006 09:15 pm

 

Mr. Weis does not need to be made out to be Pope. But in the hectic and somewhat cut throat arena we know as College Football it is nice to see someone in a high profile program such as ND knows what it is to have integrity!

 

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Smart Move?

Posted by bybybilly on Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:30 am

 

First of all, none of us really knows what these kids are promised. And,no, I don`t believe the coaches. Just look at Texas with Applewhite and Sims. Don`t tell me there wasn`t some sort of deal.

I like USC`s approach, anybody can have the start if they can win it at practice. Thats not just from the coaches, that is from the players.

But, until he goes back to the pros in 2008, Weiss can do no wrong. He`s a lot like Clinton in that every thing he does is OK with the press and all of his sins(choking against USC, losing to MSU, and getting blown out by OSU) ignored. But it doesn`t stop with last year. Now it`s that ND has the toughest schedule next year(all three of the service academies) and that he has the top recruiting class this year. Texas, Florida, Georgia, Michigan , and, of course, USC, all have better classes.

Got to give him credit though, he fooled ND into a big contract.

 

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Re: Smart Move?

Posted by jk616 on Tue Jan 17, 2006 02:20 am

 

bybybilly wrote:

First of all, none of us really knows what these kids are promised. And,no, I don`t believe the coaches. Just look at Texas with Applewhite and Sims. Don`t tell me there wasn`t some sort of deal.

I like USC`s approach, anybody can have the start if they can win it at practice. Thats not just from the coaches, that is from the players.

But, until he goes back to the pros in 2008, Weiss can do no wrong. He`s a lot like Clinton in that every thing he does is OK with the press and all of his sins(choking against USC, losing to MSU, and getting blown out by OSU) ignored. But it doesn`t stop with last year. Now it`s that ND has the toughest schedule next year(all three of the service academies) and that he has the top recruiting class this year. Texas, Florida, Georgia, Michigan , and, of course, USC, all have better classes.

Got to give him credit though, he fooled ND into a big contract.

 

 

charlie weiss is a god. if you don't know that, ask the national media. just imagine if he had beaten a good team. sims is the perfect example of the two extremes in recruiting. he chose texas, where he was guaranteed to play over psu where he was guaranteed to sit. it's my opinion that both programs blew it and suffered the consequences. also, how is it that it is generally accepted that preseason polls don't mean anything, yet every year, we hear about how tough the nd schedule is. what is this based upon, preseason polls? nd had some real nice wins this past season if you look at preseason polls. wins over michigan and tennessee, both preseason top ten. wins against purdue and pitt both in the preseason top 20, and a tough loss to the greatest college football team in history. that's great except that tenn, pitt, and purdue didn't even qualify for bowls, michigan had five losses and the greatest team in history finished second. nd had two losses in the big 10 and only played four big 10 games. as for weiss' integrity, maybe he has it, , maybe he doesn't. frazer is the sixth ranked pro-style qb in the country, jones is the number three dual threat qb, mustain is the number two pro-style qb, and not signing mustain gives weiss the best chance at next year's number one qb and overall prospect. plus, he has quinn for another year. i'm not an ethics professor, but i don't think it takes a boatload of integrity to not sign mustain. give weiss two middle-of-the-pack three star qbs and then not sign mustain, and then i'll give some credit.

 

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well all you fans the kid is on his way back to the hods, so i guess walmart is happy. Mitch i hope you do well, next time your word is everything. :roll:

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I'm glad CW did what he did.He is showing that when he tells a recruit that he promises him something.CW means to keep that promise..But, that had to be very tempting to say yes to mustain.I really didn't think Mustain was coming to ND.When he made a comment that ND had already have 2 QB's thats when i knew he wasn't coming..Besides Mustain committing to ARK. now those 2 outstanding recievers will commit now for ARk.

 

Well I hope all the best for Mustain and the ARk.And I can't wait for Clausen to come aboard.

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I understand but every reply avoided JONES

 

Excerpt Demi Jones profile Scout.com

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Jones - "I think what I bring to the table is leadership. I do a good job of getting my teammates confidence up. I can run or throw. I make good decisions and I'm always looking to get better.

 

"I've got great leadership skills…I mean I'm the commander-in-chief of the offense. In clutch situations, I can throw it deep or short and I use my feet well to create plays. I can roll well to the left or the right. I need to work on gaining a better release, and reading defenses quicker. I also

need to work on my footwork."

 

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There's only one BOSS WEIS As Mike Haywood said about Weis, he is the general. He passes down orders we follow them. (period)

 

I really don't give a hoot about his skills. This "commander-in-chief" on top of his statements above gets disturbing a team effort. When you get down to it just what does a HS QB know about Division 1 football?

 

Weis has said at times he will let Brady run it all his way. Otherwise. NO!

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:( An injudicious choice of wording by Demi, If his 'confidance' leads him to beleave he will be the "leader" He is spokesmen for ND, not himself or his own views. Quite a bit of what he said was perfectly OK for someone not yet signed. As ND it will not fit.

 

I'm thinking sore loser Peyton Manning blaming his line...Jones made comments about Brady. That is left in locker room private....team and coaches.

 

He's in effect saying I am a QB only.....Coaches change me to another slot?????? by choice (who's)........(Read the whole thing ' article' again) I go by what the coaches want not some HS man/child. :D All said nicely.

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I like what Jones has say, even though I may come across a little cocky and brash. The simple fact is,.. Charlie Weis is on the sidelines coaching the game, and people like DD are going to be on the field playing the game. You always want some type of leadership/shot-caller on the field. Are there limitations to the power that he should be delegated? Of course! However, I would rather have a team that has a guy on the field who will be able to change plays and read defenses, i.e. Peyton Manning, Matt Leinhart, Brady Quinn. With dual-threat quarterbacks that's what it is all about--improvisation.

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Hey guys this kid has a lot of confidence, lets use it , i know darn well that he knows Thar cw is the boss, he was probably giving it to the media experts, he got a little ink, charlie will talk to him , this is notre dame not Florida, he will come around, i like the kid, as for mustain, it is all about me me me , coach did the right thing, if you want to come. don't dilly dally. will pay off next year, where is SAM young, we need him. go Irish :roll:

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im a bit worried about demetrius if he has an attitude like this, i hope he doesnt act like this during the season if he ever gets interviewed or im sure he wont be a fan fav qb, but i think from what ive heard hes talented

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I wish to lay this issue raised once again down PLEASE note the part where Weis says """""""""""""""FRICTION""""""""""""""""

 

I was looking at Jones purely from an ND Fan to player point of view. I simply, as cold as it may seem, do not care about his viewpoints in public, other then they were not Notre Dame. Whether he is the go to guy fan loved or not I do not care.

 

In an age of 'flapping your mouth' I like getting back to what Weis wants. "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

 

I said he was 'injudicious' in speaking out in print to that reporter.

That's my right to say so and certainly his also to blab before signing.

 

I am thinking of Notre Dame not his feelings. Reread, in effect he is declaring 'if I am not the quarterback, if a coach moves me to another spot or dumps me then..???These are the reasons.' Mind if I let Coach Weis decide what position? How much playing time? Where we can use you best?

 

Coach Weis whether or not you know it succeeds today only in having gotten this far not just by X's and 0's but, as he has said over and over in Pressers. "Everybody is on the same page."

 

Recall Monk the past President of ND panning the Ty firing? Recall the secretary shaving her head? Recall Trustee blasting ND?

 

How quickly we forget.

 

It is shut up.

 

In the New York Times article below it is explained.

 

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0615FD3E5B0C7B8DDDA80894DE404482

 

Bilichik keeps his coaches from talking in print. In there Phil Simms whines he needs to talk to the coaches to get more or less a perspective when he is on TV. Now since when does the Pats have to worry about Simms perspective? Mind if I don't give a hoot what a TV "expert" says or feels? As Weis stated in a Presser. >>December 2005 Coach Weis Presser:

 

COACH 1. Charlie Weis: Give me a break. Those are announcers that know everything, right? That's why they're announcers. Give me a break. I mean, let's talk about it.

 

Let's win games guys and as Weis says, they are TV people what do they know? In the article it is explained by a Notre Dame Football Administrator Coach Weis used the best of Purcell's and Bilichik's methods in that he allows some Assistant Coach and player interviews at strict set times otherwise off limits. Not the strict Silence or 'Omerta' by Bilichik but still...shut up.

 

Just look at Tennessee's Flumer problems. Better yet Green Bay Packers. You had a Coach yammering one way Brett and players yammering another and a General Manager Yapping both sides of his mouth and Fans yapping also. Is anyone on the same page?

 

I go the Weis way: Pressers below on players speaking out

 

Q. Inaudible of the possibility of limited access for the media to the players...

 

COACH WEIS: Well, what do you need to talk to them about? I'm coming up here and basically answering most of the questions that you're asking. I think I know more than they do. So if you're asking a football question, I think that you should be asking it of me. And this way, I can buffer it the way I'd like it to be buffered. You ask some 18 year old kid, what do they know? Really, what do they know? So I'm trying to answer a football question from a guy who has been doing it for a lot of years. I think I might be able to give you a more educated answer most of the time.

 

And at the same time, I'm trying to protect them from saying something that could get themselves in trouble. For example, you get a young guy who comes in, you ask him, well, what are your expectations? Well, I intend to be a starter, ta da, ta da, ta da. Well, what do you say to the guys that are already ahead of him? Now all of a sudden that's causing some friction between him and the older guys who are playing for a whole bunch of years.

 

It isn't keeping information away from you; it's protecting them from saying something that really could only be used against them, but not necessarily by you, but might be used against them by their own team or might be used against them by the people we're playing against. I'm not really big on putting fodder on other people's boards to sit there and disrespect any team we are playing against for the same reason. I'm not giving any psychological edge to anyone we're playing by me saying, hey, we're going to go whip their butt.

 

Now, as we start this season, and we work hand in hand with especially the local guys and ladies who are here all the time. But the normal beat writers who are around a lot and some of the national media, I think it's important that you know that we're going to try to as best we can accommodate things along the same principle that I said when I first walked in the door and everyone had a fit. I think it's really important for when you're running a football program or any business to be on the same page. I think that our players have been educated on dealing with the media, hopefully they will be very representative of the University of Notre Dame and when you ask for them, I hope and I'm counting on them when they schedule something with you to follow up and actually be doing it. So I'm kind of being on your side; if they don't own up to their end and their responsibility, because I understand that those things take place.

 

On the other side of that, the flip side of that, understand that we're not really into the business of passing on information. I know that's what your job is, to gather information, but we're not in the business of passing on information, especially any type of information that could be detrimental to us winning on September 3 against Pittsburgh. That's really the bottom line for us. Now all personnel issues, all X's and O's, all injuries, all of those things all have a part in whether or not you win or lose football games, and what's the way I've been - that's the way I've been taught and that's the way we're approaching it this season with your own guys.

 

I hate to remind all but Coach did say I am not running a democracy here.

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After reading this article, it honestly seriously bothers me about this kid. Ive heard great things about him, but after reading this thing it almost makes me wonder why he is even committed to ND. I know that might sound kind of hard right now, but from what I see some of his comments were just plain selfish and dumb.

 

He brought up this issue of the Fiesta Bowl and how if Brady Quinn could scramble they would of won the game? First of all, I of course watched that game, and in no way was it Brady Quinn's fault!! The Ohio State linebackers were FAST, I MEAN REAL FAST, and they got in there before you could blink on their blitz plays. Why do you think they took Texas to the end, and that was before they had an offense. Vince Young and any other mobile quarterback would have had a TON of trouble with that Defense with the way they were clicking at the end of the year. That is one of the most disrespectful comments ive seen in my lifetime, and this guy is coming to South Bend? That is a future teammate of his, and he would learn more about Football by just sitting down with Quinn for 10 mintues, than he has learned his whole high school career. I know this kid has talent, but if hes going to run his mouth like this, I sure as heck dont want him.

 

Other points of the interview he seemed cocky, when basically started telling everyone(bragging in my opinion) of what he could do, which in his mind is just about everything. Look D Jones, we all know your talented, but bashing your future teammates, including one such as Brady Quinn which is probably one of the most talented Quarterbacks you will ever see, is just plain disrespectful and dumb, if you want to run your mouth about how good you are or how if you were the Quarterback at Notre Dame they would win all the time, then go somewhere else.

 

I dont want a big mouth, cocky, young 18-19 year old thinking he can do it all before he even walks onto the college football field. If thats the attitude hes going to have, i dont want him playing, and im pretty sure i dont even want him on the team.

 

After reading all of this it just plain ticked me off, him telling everyone how he wont switch unless "I want to Switch", look buddy Charlie Weis is the head man in South Bend, if he wants you to switch, you will either do that or sit on the bench, plain and simple. If he doesnt want you to be a Quarterback at Notre Dame then you wont, go somewhere else if you think you can just run the show, it would be fine with me and probably most ND fans across the nation after reading this.

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After reading this article alittle more Im not liking the fact that he is so quick to bring up racial issues. In this article he tells you point blank he is a running quarterback and I dont see it working at ND and If you think the current ND players are going to let ride what he said about Brady your sadly mistaken. I wouldnt want to be Jones lining up against the defense for the first time! Maybe Laws or Abiamiri can clue him in and bring him back to reality if you know what Im sayin!! When this kid can compete on the same level as a Brady Quinn or Vince Young then maybe he can talk his smack but I dont see Charlie puttin up with that garbage PERIOD!

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guys, he is a 18 year old kid, hes a qb with a ton of talent, of course he is going to have an edge, maybe what he said was cocky, and maybe what he said can be argued as wrong, but two things I like, one is his confidence, maybe there is too much of it, but trust me our staff will handle that, however, you cannot teach confidence, and think about the pats, what was special about htem, they were a bunch of confident bastards, whose coach kept there mouths shut, thats exactly what will happen with Weis and DD, have no doubt kids like that sort of confidence and will follow that type of leader, once weis reels him in a little, combine him and the leadership aldridge has shown we are going to have a swagger. Secondly, hes 18!, think about all the stupid shit you said when you were a kid, think if you had a mic in your face and you had a scholarship to be the QB at ND, trust me you probably would feel special too. Relax he will be fine, hes cocky, but that will be toned down, the comments will disappear behind the wall of charlie, and this kid in my opinon is going to give us a swagger, a swagger you have seen from USC in the past and a swagger you saw from Texas this year, I like that swagger and I trust our coaches to keep him undercontrol and teach him to be a grown up, again remember he is a kid

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