dangeruss Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 i can't listen to this, can anyone tell me what was said. is ND really getting ready to fire CW or will CW be firing some assistant coaches? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportscenter/index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pregame Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Basically that there are more reasons that Charlie would be back next year than he would be fired. They note things could go south for Charlie should he lose to Navy next weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 if charlie was getting fired they would here it from us we wouldnt here it from them-- essentially its all the same crap weve been posting and discussing since the game on every ND site-- i think espn gets there news from web site chatter -- if we loose to navy and then syracuse and then get routed by USC 58 to 3-- no bowl 6 and 7-- is charlie gonna be in trouble even this year-- well DA----will there have to be coaching changes no matter what even if we get to 7 wins-- well DA---i think we should put all this to rest till after the regular season its only a couple of weeks more and what will be will be-- charlie knows hes in some do-do-- pouring more do-do on it at this point is overkill i think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 if charlie was getting fired they would here it from us we wouldnt here it from them-- essentially its all the same crap weve been posting and discussing since the game on every ND site-- i think espn gets there news from web site chatter -- if we loose to navy and then syracuse and then get routed by USC 58 to 3-- no bowl 6 and 7-- is charlie gonna be in trouble even this year-- well DA----will there have to be coaching changes no matter what even if we get to 7 wins-- well DA---i think we should put all this to rest till after the regular season its only a couple of weeks more and what will be will be-- charlie knows hes in some do-do-- pouring more do-do on it at this point is overkill i think! Yeah, I believe CW knows that he needs to make some changes. Even if ND wins out beating everyone by 30, CW needs to make changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudskipper Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I feel Charlie will definitly have next year, to turn it around but the bar maybe raised alittle higher on the expectation level, given the maturity of his players and the exposure to his system next year. I have no inside information but I assuming the administration will express a particular criteria that here before it felt it didn't have to intervene. It's probable that staff changes will be recommennded, and compliance will be expected in the off season. It's sad anyway you view it, to be at this juncture again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Well said Hawaii. we will know anything before those shackaturals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sophieisana Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 There is no way Charlie will be fired, not with that huge contract they gave him that won't expire anytime soon, they do not want to have to pay that buyout. And I trust the administration still believes they have there guy. I know I don't want to see him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'm with you shrink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdougal93 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 There is no way Charlie will be fired, not with that huge contract they gave him that won't expire anytime soon, they do not want to have to pay that buyout. And I trust the administration still believes they have there guy. I know I don't want to see him go. I want CW to succeed as the Head Coach. But I can no longer keep making excuses for the way the team is playing. We should be beating most of these teams on talent alone. We have a very weak schedule this year so the youth excuse no longer applies. Last year was embarrassing enough. There is no reason we should have gone 3-9 with losses against Purdue and Navy. It is becoming painfully obvious that the great talent being recruited is not being developed or motivated. If CW loses to either Syuracuse or Navy I will gladly contribute on a monthly basis to buyout his contract. Needless to say, that may take a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alwaysirish Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I can't believe no one here has talked about the fact that if we do let a couple of asst coaches go, what kind of upgrade or adequate replacement are we going to find now, or in the offseason, that will come here knowing full wll that CW could very well have one more year left at ND? This is why I believe that he is a year late of firing Polian and Latina. I believe any good asst coach across the country right now will do his research before coming here, knowing he might be coming here for only one season possibly and then be looking elsewhere. This is ultimately why I believe CW is going to fail and I think it's now inevitable We are definately not going to change our stripes with the coaches we have guys. There is'nt anything we have'nt seen from CW or anyone else at this point that's gonna save his job here at ND. We are an undercoached team that has beaten below average teams from the moment he has been here. We have risen to the occasion once against a team that was clearly better than us, only to lose in that game. I wanted CW to succeed just as you guys have, but all the criticism he gets he totally deserves. He has had four years to build and develop a good strong O LINE and D LINE and has'nt. I believe he gets fired if we lose to Navy and I believe this game will be very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 charlie is completely secure for next year at least so you can put that to rest-- and of course if he decides to make coaching changes-- i would expect at least two-- he will have no trouble upgrading the staff--its often harder to keep a great assistant than it is to find one-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'mwith Hawaii'; vews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest irishrick Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 i think that unless we see some improvement this week against Navy win or lose the staff will remain until the end of the season . cw is to make a few changes in todays meeting with the staff concerning the offensive duties go Irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudskipper Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Nicely stated, I think that unlike with Ty, Charlie will of his volition step down if next years team hasn't performed up to reasonable expectations. Now reasonable expectations are open to interpertation, but everything I've seen from him leads me to believe he loves the university and will fall on his sword rather than see this team falter endlessly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alwaysirish Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'd love to know anyone here who would take a job knowing it might very well only last a year. That is precisely why I say we will have a hard time upgrading this coaching staff in the offseason assuming he fires anyone in the first place. Remember he is the guy who made these hires we have now. How can anyone have faith right now that not only he makes the correct hires, but that we actually see immediate results taking place next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfschellcrna Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 it's not as though he didn't give them a chance................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 If we replace the position coaches mentioned in all of these threads, the impact would be immediate. I have seen tooooooo many times in my life the difference a coach makes when they are brought in during the season. The players eat it up. If CW makes these changes, he is going to be here a loooooong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdrdreamer Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Coach Weis typlifies Notre Dame. And to fire him, it would be hard to make that type of change just yet. To me he is the perfect fit for us. This does not mean his supporting cast is. As the head coach, he really needs to make changes. Committment to his coaches can only go so far. Seems with a couple them...committment has run its course. It would be very difficult to repeat this level of support for Coach Weis should we repeat the same mistakes next year. Mistakes being certain position coaches. The time has come for some changes...but not at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I agree with you Dreamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Coach Weis typlifies Notre Dame. And to fire him, it would be hard to make that type of change just yet. To me he is the perfect fit for us. This does not mean his supporting cast is. As the head coach, he really needs to make changes. Committment to his coaches can only go so far. Seems with a couple them...committment has run its course. It would be very difficult to repeat this level of support for Coach Weis should we repeat the same mistakes next year. Mistakes being certain position coaches. The time has come for some changes...but not at the top. I completely agree. I think CW is the perfect man to be running the show. He needs to make a few changes on his staff, but he is who we NEED at this University. Charlie realized our previous defensive coordinator was not doing a good enough job and replaced him (a little late, but that is water under the bridge at this point). He got a guy who was not very well known, but was by most accounts an up-and-comer that would be a great fit. Brown showed us last year that he has what it takes to be a great coach and recruiter. So what did CW do......he went out and brought in an elite coach as a position coach....to help mentor Brown....to make him better. CW identified our weakness, and put us in a position for that to be our strength. This is exactly what he needs to do with other areas of our team.... If nothing else, the hiring of JT showed me that ND is still a place where elite coaches want to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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