Weis gets too much blame for team loses

[Ray Herring]

I know everyone wants to throw him under the bus, but I think the problem is with the position coaches. I'll just mention a few. I am not talking bad about them as people because they are part of the family, but I think its worth talking about when they are performing poorly.

 

 

Ruben Mendoza-Watch a USC or an SEC game. Their safeties are bigger than our lineman. We are recruiting the same players, so its not a matter of our recruits being too small.

 

Mike Haywood-He coaches RBs and calls the plays. What's been two of the the biggest issues? Playcalling and RBs. I think he will move on after this year.

 

John Latina-underperformed every single year that hes been here. I think nothing else needs to be said.

 

Jappy Oliver-He's had Abiriamiri, Laws, and Landri go to the NFL. How can the Dline be talented enough to physically play in the NFL, yet cant come together as a unit on gameday?

 

Weis doesnt play the game on Saturday and neither do the position coaches, but it seems like the root of our woes comes from fundamentals and not game-planning. Why are our WRs, TEs, DBs, and QBs(LBs starting to come around under Tenuta, and Special teams coming around under Weis) doing so well and not the others? Position coaches.

 

I rest my case.

Edited November 4, 2008 by Ray Herring

[IrishGuy]

CW deserves a LOT of the blame for how our team performs on Saturdays. He is the head coach, and ultimately every decision is his.

 

CW hired these coaches....and continues to stick with them. We all watched as he stuck with Minter a year too long.....and we are watching him stick with a guy (or 2) now that (though not as bad as Minter) is costing us football games and recruits.

[Guest irishrick]

Charlie is the head coach and gets all the credit and the blame . that being said , i think that there will be a couple of changes at the end of the season , if you watch he doesn't say to much when a play is sent in or go talk to the position coaches during timeouts and so forth not sure the line coach or Ron will be around at the end of next year Ron seems to be a rah rah guy never seem to see JC talking with him . Charlie will make the necessary changes soon enough . go Irish

[Franco]

We can lose Mendoza, and Latina.

 

I can give Haywood and Oliver another season.

 

Corwin Brown is doing excellent things with the DBs (or is it just the talent?)

 

Tenuta is doing excellent things with the LBs

 

and Weis is doing great things with Special Teams (and not to mention doing some pretty good things with the team overall)

[jfschellcrna]

our special teams are NOT good. there's no puttin lipstick on that pig.................

[SpeedsterX]

I was going to start a new thread about this but I might as well just post it in this thread.

 

So much blame going to Weis and on "other" sites some are even calling for his head or giving ultimatums as if they have the power or right. It's as if someone hired a baker to bake a cake and after the baker breaks a bunch of eggs, placed in a mixing bowl with a bunch of flour and other ingredients, all they see is a mess and fire the baker before he even puts it in the oven even though with the quality ingredients and tasty fillings looks like the cake could have been great. It is truly ridiculous.

 

If Coach Weis said I could have anything I ask for this team here's a list:

 

1. Look your asst. coaches in the eyes and if you don't clearly see development by his players as a whole within the last 4 years throwing out last year, look elsewhere for a better one.

 

2. Look at the coach across the field from you. Now ask yourself, would this guy lay 50 points on my boys absolutely as fast as possible and be happy to kill any momentum we may get in the game no matter how slight? Treat him and his team in kind! Never let up! Attack, attack, attack!! Show just alittle of that nasty you call from your players.

 

3.Get back to playcalling. You won all those Superbowl rings for a reason so it is obviously your greatest strength and your team deserves the best and you calling the plays will be the best. Close your eyes, call Jimmy "Brady" if you have to and imagine it's 2005, now start calling them plays!

 

4. Keep pressers as vanilla as Haywood's playcalling. As a free American, I don't want to nor should I expect to know EVERYTHING that the Army is going to do just before they attack a city.

 

5. Next year recruit 1 QB, 2 TE's, 3 elite runningbacks, and 14-17 Offensive linemen, defensive linemen. Get the best you can but even if they are 3 stars, sign them! Guys like Kohne have all the tools and can be developed.

 

Of course I am exagerrating a bit but you get the idea. I still have faith that CW will do everything absolutely in his power and move heaven and earth to get Notre Dame at least one National Championship in his tenure. It is ridiculous to even talk about firing a coach at this time, especially with an improving team and recruiting 3 top 5 classes in a row.

 

Even if a poster does know some football (and maybe more than I) as soon as he suggests the firing of CW at this point or within the next 2 years loses all credibility and really scares me as how many other people think this way.

 

If Notre Dame truly wants to kill it's football program for the next decade or more, fire Charlie Weis before Jimmy is a senior.

 

That's my .02 and then some.

[IrishGuy]

I was going to start a new thread about this but I might as well just post it in this thread.

 

So much blame going to Weis and on "other" sites some are even calling for his head or giving ultimatums as if they have the power or right. It's as if someone hired a baker to bake a cake and after the baker breaks a bunch of eggs, placed in a mixing bowl with a bunch of flour and other ingredients, all they see is a mess and fire the baker before he even puts it in the oven even though with the quality ingredients and tasty fillings looks like the cake could have been great. It is truly ridiculous.

 

If Coach Weis said I could have anything I ask for this team here's a list:

 

1. Look your asst. coaches in the eyes and if you don't clearly see development by his players as a whole within the last 4 years throwing out last year, look elsewhere for a better one.

 

2. Look at the coach across the field from you. Now ask yourself, would this guy lay 50 points on my boys absolutely as fast as possible and be happy to kill any momentum we may get in the game no matter how slight? Treat him and his team in kind! Never let up! Attack, attack, attack!! Show just alittle of that nasty you call from your players.

 

3.Get back to playcalling. You won all those Superbowl rings for a reason so it is obviously your greatest strength and your team deserves the best and you calling the plays will be the best. Close your eyes, call Jimmy "Brady" if you have to and imagine it's 2005, now start calling them plays!

 

4. Keep pressers as vanilla as Haywood's playcalling. As a free American, I don't want to nor should I expect to know EVERYTHING that the Army is going to do just before they attack a city.

 

5. Next year recruit 1 QB, 2 TE's, 3 elite runningbacks, and 14-17 Offensive linemen, defensive linemen. Get the best you can but even if they are 3 stars, sign them! Guys like Kohne have all the tools and can be developed.

 

Of course I am exagerrating a bit but you get the idea. I still have faith that CW will do everything absolutely in his power and move heaven and earth to get Notre Dame at least one National Championship in his tenure. It is ridiculous to even talk about firing a coach at this time, especially with an improving team and recruiting 3 top 5 classes in a row.

 

Even if a poster does know some football (and maybe more than I) as soon as he suggests the firing of CW at this point or within the next 2 years loses all credibility and really scares me as how many other people think this way.

 

If Notre Dame truly wants to kill it's football program for the next decade or more, fire Charlie Weis before Jimmy is a senior.

 

That's my .02 and then some.

 

Amen brother....A-Freakin-Men

[Irish Chris]

I was going to start a new thread about this but I might as well just post it in this thread.

 

So much blame going to Weis and on "other" sites some are even calling for his head or giving ultimatums as if they have the power or right. It's as if someone hired a baker to bake a cake and after the baker breaks a bunch of eggs, placed in a mixing bowl with a bunch of flour and other ingredients, all they see is a mess and fire the baker before he even puts it in the oven even though with the quality ingredients and tasty fillings looks like the cake could have been great. It is truly ridiculous.

 

If Coach Weis said I could have anything I ask for this team here's a list:

 

1. Look your asst. coaches in the eyes and if you don't clearly see development by his players as a whole within the last 4 years throwing out last year, look elsewhere for a better one.

 

2. Look at the coach across the field from you. Now ask yourself, would this guy lay 50 points on my boys absolutely as fast as possible and be happy to kill any momentum we may get in the game no matter how slight? Treat him and his team in kind! Never let up! Attack, attack, attack!! Show just alittle of that nasty you call from your players.

 

3.Get back to playcalling. You won all those Superbowl rings for a reason so it is obviously your greatest strength and your team deserves the best and you calling the plays will be the best. Close your eyes, call Jimmy "Brady" if you have to and imagine it's 2005, now start calling them plays!

 

4. Keep pressers as vanilla as Haywood's playcalling. As a free American, I don't want to nor should I expect to know EVERYTHING that the Army is going to do just before they attack a city.

 

5. Next year recruit 1 QB, 2 TE's, 3 elite runningbacks, and 14-17 Offensive linemen, defensive linemen. Get the best you can but even if they are 3 stars, sign them! Guys like Kohne have all the tools and can be developed.

 

Of course I am exagerrating a bit but you get the idea. I still have faith that CW will do everything absolutely in his power and move heaven and earth to get Notre Dame at least one National Championship in his tenure. It is ridiculous to even talk about firing a coach at this time, especially with an improving team and recruiting 3 top 5 classes in a row.

 

Even if a poster does know some football (and maybe more than I) as soon as he suggests the firing of CW at this point or within the next 2 years loses all credibility and really scares me as how many other people think this way.

 

If Notre Dame truly wants to kill it's football program for the next decade or more, fire Charlie Weis before Jimmy is a senior.

 

That's my .02 and then some.

 

That's a big "bingo!" there Speed.

It's silly to suggest that Charlie should be fired.

 

Get rid of Latina and I think we would see some incredible strides next year.

He's had more than enough time to show that he knows what he is doing, yet we see the same O line struggles year after year.

 

I feel that every single coach on the team got a bye last year because of our holes and youth.

The O line is one of our most experienced units and they simply haven't come close to being great. Ever.

If its takes Latina 4 years to develop a group of players then he should be in the NFL.

Colleges don't have 4 years to develop great players because of the turnover.

I'm just tired of seeing top talent being wasted and underdeveloped year after year.

I'm not sure how much of the Line's play falls into Mendoza's lap, but I see 350 pound guys with incredible lateral speed all the time.

Neither of our tackles weigh that much, yet they can't stay in front of good speed-rushing ends.

Not sure what's up there either.

[potownhero]

I was going to start a new thread about this but I might as well just post it in this thread.

 

So much blame going to Weis and on "other" sites some are even calling for his head or giving ultimatums as if they have the power or right. It's as if someone hired a baker to bake a cake and after the baker breaks a bunch of eggs, placed in a mixing bowl with a bunch of flour and other ingredients, all they see is a mess and fire the baker before he even puts it in the oven even though with the quality ingredients and tasty fillings looks like the cake could have been great. It is truly ridiculous.

 

If Coach Weis said I could have anything I ask for this team here's a list:

 

1. Look your asst. coaches in the eyes and if you don't clearly see development by his players as a whole within the last 4 years throwing out last year, look elsewhere for a better one.

 

2. Look at the coach across the field from you. Now ask yourself, would this guy lay 50 points on my boys absolutely as fast as possible and be happy to kill any momentum we may get in the game no matter how slight? Treat him and his team in kind! Never let up! Attack, attack, attack!! Show just alittle of that nasty you call from your players.

 

3.Get back to playcalling. You won all those Superbowl rings for a reason so it is obviously your greatest strength and your team deserves the best and you calling the plays will be the best. Close your eyes, call Jimmy "Brady" if you have to and imagine it's 2005, now start calling them plays!

 

4. Keep pressers as vanilla as Haywood's playcalling. As a free American, I don't want to nor should I expect to know EVERYTHING that the Army is going to do just before they attack a city.

 

5. Next year recruit 1 QB, 2 TE's, 3 elite runningbacks, and 14-17 Offensive linemen, defensive linemen. Get the best you can but even if they are 3 stars, sign them! Guys like Kohne have all the tools and can be developed.

 

Of course I am exagerrating a bit but you get the idea. I still have faith that CW will do everything absolutely in his power and move heaven and earth to get Notre Dame at least one National Championship in his tenure. It is ridiculous to even talk about firing a coach at this time, especially with an improving team and recruiting 3 top 5 classes in a row.

 

Even if a poster does know some football (and maybe more than I) as soon as he suggests the firing of CW at this point or within the next 2 years loses all credibility and really scares me as how many other people think this way.

 

If Notre Dame truly wants to kill it's football program for the next decade or more, fire Charlie Weis before Jimmy is a senior.

 

That's my .02 and then some.

 

 

Maybe we could hire another assistant coach and give him the title "Game Day Coach"?

 

While I would think it would be obvious to everyone, his responsibility would be to get the team fired up for second halves and to make adjustments either at halftime or during the second half.

 

Thoughts?

[Guest heismancaliber]

We can lose Mendoza, and Latina.

 

I can give Haywood and Oliver another season.

 

Corwin Brown is doing excellent things with the DBs (or is it just the talent?)

 

Tenuta is doing excellent things with the LBs

 

and Weis is doing great things with Special Teams (and not to mention doing some pretty good things with the team overall)

 

You really think the DBs and LBs are doing excellent things?

[ND FANATIC]

You really think the DBs and LBs are doing excellent things?

 

With the lack of pressure and the ability to consume blockers that the DL is providing right now, I think that the DB's are doing as well can be expected, you can't cover people all day.

 

I'm not terribly happy with the LB play right now, but again with the play we are getting out of the DL, its hard to judge what they are capable of...

[jfschellcrna]

You really think the DBs and LBs are doing excellent things?

the fact that our DL provides no penetration or pressure, i would say they are doing pretty darn well. dude, you are spoiled. it's easy come over here and point out our deficits when you have the best defense money can buy. i'm getting sick of your elitist attitude you smug prick, now GO AWAY. Dont go away mad, just GO AWAY.................

[Guest heismancaliber]

the fact that our DL provides no penetration or pressure, i would say they are doing pretty darn well. dude, you are spoiled. it's easy come over here and point out our deficits when you have the best defense money can buy. i'm getting sick of your elitist attitude you smug prick, now GO AWAY. Dont go away mad, just GO AWAY.................

 

first off, no i will not go away and nice job on the namecalling

 

second, "best defense money can buy", please tell me which defensive players have been bought and provide some concrete evidence otherwise you are just throwing out baseless allegations

 

third, the reason i posed that question was because I don't see any facet of ND's defense looking "excellent" so far this season. The secondary has played relatively well, especially when you consider it's without its best player, but the linebackers have looked pretty mediocre, especially Crum.

[jfschellcrna]

you're welcome. those mediocre linebackers are a true freshman and a true sophmore playing behind a weak defensive line. i truly feel blessed to have you come around here dribbling tidbits of information from a premium site like it was the product of independent invention. you may have some of these posters bamboozled, but i get your game. at least fighton was straight up when he first arrived. until you were called out, you acted some some ND fan, and we should have felt graced by your presence. dude, you are a fraud.......................

[Guest heismancaliber]

you're welcome. those mediocre linebackers are a true freshman and a true sophmore playing behind a weak defensive line. i truly feel blessed to have you come around here dribbling tidbits of information from a premium site like it was the product of independent invention. you may have some of these posters bamboozled, but i get your game. at least fighton was straight up when he first arrived. until you were called out, you acted some some ND fan, and we should have felt graced by your presence. dude, you are a fraud.......................

 

I don't care whether they are freshmen or 5th year seniors, I'm calling a spade a spade, they look mediocre. That's not to say they won't get better with experience, but right now their play is lacking. If it's all an age issue, explain Crum's play for me. But yes, sorry I don't view the LB and DB play so far as "excellent"

[irishziggy]

the team's not that good. we couldnt even beat UNC without their best player (Tate) and Pitt without their QB (Stull).

[Franco]

I don't care whether they are freshmen or 5th year seniors, I'm calling a spade a spade, they look mediocre. That's not to say they won't get better with experience, but right now their play is lacking. If it's all an age issue, explain Crum's play for me. But yes, sorry I don't view the LB and DB play so far as "excellent"

 

Yea, when you have a pass efficiency defense rated in the top 20, I'd say our DB's are pretty damn good.....overall, the defense is rated in the top 40...that is a big step up from last year, and pretty damn impressive...

 

And, if you're on here as much as I think you are, you'd know that everyone is critical of Maurice Crum. I was talking about Brian Smith, Kerry Neal, and Fleming.

 

oh, one thing, I said that Tenuta is doing excellent things with the LBs, and Brown is doing excellent things with the DBs....I didn't say they were excellent...learn reading comprehension first, then come and debate...thank you

[gipper2nd]

Sorry...............but I think that some of you just are looking through "rose colored" glasses a bit too much. I've been an N.D. fan longer than most of you & I like to bring up something that may be part of the problem. Charlie has this attitude that he doesn't want to destroy any team by beating them badly, ( 50-0, or worse). Did you ever stop to think that he is also instilling this attitude in the players also? Maybe that is why they can't seem to close out a game? When they're ahead,.............maybe they are unknowingly putting on the brakes because they know that their coach doesn't want to run up the score. If you were sitting in a locker room at the half & the coach says, " now go out there & lay 40 pts. on these guys & kill 'um!", I think I'm going to play harder than a coach who says," now lets go out there & protect that lead". Something is happening in the 2nd half, & I don't think that CW realizes what he is doing to these "kids" by coaching them not to run up the score. It's all about attitude! He is coaching them to play soft, & he doesn't even know it.

[IrishGuy]

Before CW can decide not to win by 50, he needs to show us that he is capable of winning by 50.

 

Going in to safe mode before the game is in hand is not a smart move. Our D is not one that we can rely on to stop the opposition on a consistent basis right now. Unless we are up by 3 TDs with 5 minutes left, CW needs to keep his foot on the throttle.

 

I would feel differently if we showed the ability to turn in on as fast as we can turn it off. It seem like once we go into safe mode, that we do not have the ability to wake up from it.

[Ray Herring]

This team is fun to watch if nothing else. I love Tate and Brian Smith. We have years left to watch these kids.

 

Enjoy the ride. Oh yeah, and FUSC.