Donjuan Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Just being reported that Lane Kiffen, contacted Washington 2 hours after the announcement to fire Ty. He's a good coach which worries me a little thinking about next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 He's got nothing to work with, so I wouldn't worry about it until he can actually build a team. He is going to run into similar problems as Charlie, except he doesn't have a Quinn class to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donjuan Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 Jake Locker is the real deal, he's just been coached down by Ty. I'd hate to see what he can do if a real QB coach got ahold of him. QB is probably the most important piece in this puzzle, one in which they have--and a really good one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenboyer Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Still..when Kiffin was at USC he was THE guy recruiting for them. Say what you want about being able to be in Southern California, but some people at SC would say Kiffin was their best recruiter when he was there. We've yet to see what he can do as a coach, but he will recruit for that program, and he will energize it if he's the man for the job. If he goes there, we'll be fighting for a lot of the same recruits, and he'll win some of those battles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanyDomer Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Just being reported that Lane Kiffen, contacted Washington 2 hours after the announcement to fire Ty. He's a good coach which worries me a little thinking about next year. Dont worry DJ he has years of rebuilding ahead of him. The best part will be him taking recruits from SC. We will kill them next year as well, maybe even worse. Ty isnt leaving much more than a smoldering shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Still..when Kiffin was at USC he was THE guy recruiting for them. Say what you want about being able to be in Southern California, but some people at SC would say Kiffin was their best recruiter when he was there. We've yet to see what he can do as a coach, but he will recruit for that program, and he will energize it if he's the man for the job. If he goes there, we'll be fighting for a lot of the same recruits, and he'll win some of those battles. Saying Kiffin was the best recruiter while at USC is like saying I am the tallest guy sitting in my cube right now. Who exactly was he competing with? SC gets the pick of the litter, and their recruiting did not exactly fall off when he left. Kiffin might be a good coach, but he has a HUGE task of rebuilding Washington (if he gets the job). This will not be a one season turn around. Washington is worse off than ND was when TW left. ....and Kiffin has shown next to nothing as far as being a coach, so we can't crown him a savior just because he coached at USC for a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenboyer Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Saying Kiffin was the best recruiter while at USC is like saying I am the tallest guy sitting in my cube right now. Who exactly was he competing with? SC gets the pick of the litter, and their recruiting did not exactly fall off when he left. Kiffin might be a good coach, but he has a HUGE task of rebuilding Washington (if he gets the job). This will not be a one season turn around. Washington is worse off than ND was when TW left. ....and Kiffin has shown next to nothing as far as being a coach, so we can't crown him a savior just because he coached at USC for a couple of years. USC locks down Southern California, but USC recruits nationally, and very well. I think you're all underrating just how good Kiffin is at pulling kids into his program. If he goes there, getting Jake Heaps will be very difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND FANATIC Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 USC locks down Southern California, but USC recruits nationally, and very well. I think you're all underrating just how good Kiffin is at pulling kids into his program. If he goes there, getting Jake Heaps will be very difficult. They don't do as well "nationally" as you would think, I would guess that 80% of their recruits are from CA, AZ and they probably have fewer than 10 kids from east of the Mississippi River. What they really do is recruit their own back yard very well, and then go after a few kids accross the country.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdougal93 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Fanatic, you're right about them locking down their backyard and recruit a few nationally. However, the ones they recruit nationally are names like: Taylor Mays, Mike Williams, Patrick Turner, Brian Cushing, Ronald Johnson, Joe McKnight, John David Booty, Daniel Campbell, TJ Bryant, Everson Griffen, Kristoffer O'dowd, Vidal Hazelton, and Stanley Havili. Most of these guys have made significant impact already. The number and quality of oos recruits that SC gets is underestimated, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Herring Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 They don't do as well "nationally" as you would think, I would guess that 80% of their recruits are from CA, AZ and they probably have fewer than 10 kids from east of the Mississippi River. What they really do is recruit their own back yard very well, and then go after a few kids accross the country.... I agree. Have you ever looked at Texas' roster? Its like 95% kids from Texas. Only 8 players out of around 110 not from Texas. Mack Brown get way too much credit in recruiting just like the Poodle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fi ND du Lac Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I agree. Have you ever looked at Texas' roster? Its like 95% kids from Texas. Only 8 players out of around 110 not from Texas. Mack Brown get way too much credit in recruiting just like the Poodle. Not sure I understand your post! Are you saying Brown and Pete are overrated recruiters because 95% of the talent in the west originates from those two states? McDougle made a great point and named 13 very good guys that USC wanted, so USC went out and got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reneg Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I'm a Raiders fan so I've seen kind of what Kiffin has been able to do as a head coach in depth. I was extremely unhappy with the firing, I think Kiffin is a very good coach. He's a little cocky/over-confident at times, but it's not always a flaw. He did more with less than most experienced coaches would ever be able to do and I think he'll be amazing at the college level. He really turned around the mindset of the team while in Oakland and while his over-all record doesn't really show it if you watched any of the games you could really see it. We were in virtually every game he ever coached which is saying a lot considering how much of a joke the Raiders were prior to him taking over (anyone else remember 2005 in which the Raiders had the worst offense in NFL history prior to Kiffin taking over?). This year the Raiders could have been 4-1 under Kiffin pretty easily. They dominated the Buffalo game and the San Diego game for the first 50 minutes and let it slip away in the last 10, mostly due to a terrible offensive line that couldn't win the battles up front when it counted to protect a lead. I think this would be a great hire for Washington if they do it. He will win over that locker room and he will do a great job recruiting. He recruiting a very solid coaching staff to Oakland in a very short period of time and he did it face to face during the Senior Bowl practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirodomer Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I agree! Kiffin is the real deal and the PAC 10 will become more competitive with him there. I expect him to tap into his pipelines in Cali though. He was their boy wonder of recruiting. We need Heaps signed ASAP!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 kiffen may have contacted washington quickly after ty's firing but i think you should all remember that JIM MORA contacted them all of two years ago-- anticipating this day and telling them he wants it---- if i remember this was his dream job-- i would say unless he wants to wait for the seattle job -- he will be offered and he will accept and be the next huskie coach very soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donjuan Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 Jim Mora is already the coach for the Seatle Seahawks next year after Holmgren steps down. It's Kiffen's to lose right now. I'd be surprised if he wasn't introduced by next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND FANATIC Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Not sure I understand your post! Are you saying Brown and Pete are overrated recruiters because 95% of the talent in the west originates from those two states? McDougle made a great point and named 13 very good guys that USC wanted, so USC went out and got. Semper, I think the point he and I were trying to make is that Mack Brown and Petey are not great national recruiters - they are great recruiters, but just not on a national level, probably because they don't need to be, not because they can't be. I would say that on a national level, CW and his staff are better than anyone I can think of, again, probably because they have to be. Quiet honestly, it seems like it would be easier to recruit a kid to winning program in southern cali than it would be to get a kid to come to a program that is rebuilding/on the rise in north central indiana, and yet CW and his staff have brought in classes on par with UT and USC without great in-state high school football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdougal93 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Semper, I think the point he and I were trying to make is that Mack Brown and Petey are not great national recruiters - they are great recruiters, but just not on a national level, probably because they don't need to be, not because they can't be. I would say that on a national level, CW and his staff are better than anyone I can think of, again, probably because they have to be. Quiet honestly, it seems like it would be easier to recruit a kid to winning program in southern cali than it would be to get a kid to come to a program that is rebuilding/on the rise in north central indiana, and yet CW and his staff have brought in classes on par with UT and USC without great in-state high school football. Agreed. Pete and Mack Brown have gotten their first choice from the in state recruits. Pete has done a good job recruiting out of state and IMO, I don't think SC would be as successful if they hadn't brought in some of the players I mentioned earlier. However, CW has done a phenomeal job getting kids from all over the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 no biggie but i have to disagree donjuan-- there is nothing set in stone or at least in writing with the seahawks-- mora in 2006 said hed leave an nfl team even if it was in a playoff run to coach the huskies---maybe not totally serious but it goes to speak for the passion mora feels for his alma mater-- hed have a nice low pressure -only way is up -total control -gig for many mnay years--- i say he goes to washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdrdreamer Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm a Raiders fan so I've seen kind of what Kiffin has been able to do as a head coach in depth. I was extremely unhappy with the firing, I think Kiffin is a very good coach. He's a little cocky/over-confident at times, but it's not always a flaw. He did more with less than most experienced coaches would ever be able to do and I think he'll be amazing at the college level. He really turned around the mindset of the team while in Oakland and while his over-all record doesn't really show it if you watched any of the games you could really see it. We were in virtually every game he ever coached which is saying a lot considering how much of a joke the Raiders were prior to him taking over (anyone else remember 2005 in which the Raiders had the worst offense in NFL history prior to Kiffin taking over?). This year the Raiders could have been 4-1 under Kiffin pretty easily. They dominated the Buffalo game and the San Diego game for the first 50 minutes and let it slip away in the last 10, mostly due to a terrible offensive line that couldn't win the battles up front when it counted to protect a lead. I think this would be a great hire for Washington if they do it. He will win over that locker room and he will do a great job recruiting. He recruiting a very solid coaching staff to Oakland in a very short period of time and he did it face to face during the Senior Bowl practices. As a Raider fan myself...I strongly support this opinion. I honestly felt that two things hampered his taking us to another level. 1.) Al Davis of course. No brainer here. 2.) Not getting Brady Quinn as opposed to Russell. He will be great for the PAC10, and we all know that aside from Cal and Sc...there is room for more competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Herring Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 As a Raider fan myself...I strongly support this opinion. I honestly felt that two things hampered his taking us to another level. 1.) Al Davis of course. No brainer here. 2.) Not getting Brady Quinn as opposed to Russell. He will be great for the PAC10, and we all know that aside from Cal and Sc...there is room for more competition. Kiffin and Davis fought for weeks over that issue. Al wanted Russell and Lane wanted Quinn. Davis even brought that up as a point of contention during his press conference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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