Guest SirJohn Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=Att11HvJtvLRngh325Yy.2gcvrYF?slug=ys-bush102108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest irishrick Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 looks like the $$$$ talks , what a deal i hope that they take some action against the school football staff, when one of your players comes to practice in a stretch limo, seems the head coach should be aware, but you know just about anything goes out there in LA. People just seem to turn a blind eye . hope they get punished the sport needs a clean image. players, coaches IMO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donjuan Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I know a lot of people who are wondering why this is taking so long--including myself. The NCAA is basically proving their case right now by eliminating all other factors which could be used to derail the outcome. It makes sense to have your ducks in a row, and it makes sense to make certain. This is going to be a huge case and shouldn't be squandered away by a loose end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoCroatian Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 The fact that he settled already with Michaels for $300K...how much more "evidence" do you need. I am sure Bu$h didn't "donate" $300K out of the goodness of his heart to some agent... The $hit better hit the fan...but that's just me hoping I guess ...because somehow still the poodle is fooling top recruits to come to $c...you't think they'd be scared off due to probation coming...but I guess $$$ talk and the poodle's bs works.. If somehow u$c gets away with all this, then really, the NCAA is spineless and it will be just be open season for the sleaze out there like urban cryer, bowden, tressel, and co to run wild... What was that one crack Tarkanian had about the NCAA? Something like: "They are so mad at (school X) that they slapped as further probabation on (it was some random school)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfschellcrna Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 i've said it before, i'll say it again. NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I have said this before....and I am sure I will say it again.... The NCAA is a JOKE when it comes to punishing teams that break rules. They are a joke....and not even a funny one. "The NCAA is continuing its investigation into Bush, which began in April 2006" 2+ years of "investigating" whether or not rules were violated. I can do a google search and in 30 seconds I can provide proof that they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 i've said it before, i'll say it again. NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree 100%. NOTHING is going to happen. Nothing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donjuan Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 It takes a lot to prove a lack of institutional control. Moreso than you think, there has to be a direct correlation. Internet discussion is just that. And I know Yahoo has a lot of dirt on this case, but if it were that cut and dry, it would've been over by now. Do they have a smoking gun? Probably not. We know he got cash, gifts and a house for his family--that's all a given. But that doesn't come down on USC, just the Bush family. Now if they can prove that USC knew about it, then that's a whole different ballgame. I think this will be the hardest thing to prove. You almost need a coach who physically saw a transaction. Speculation won't cut it in court. To say you "thought it was too nice of a house for the Bush's to live in based off of their salary", would be speculation. I know he did it and you know he did it, but that's not where the heart of the case is. It's whether or not you can prove that his coaches knew for a fact, that he was receiving benefits. That might be hard to prove. I think they're definitely looking at this matter though given the amount of time they've spent on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdnd81 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 i've said it before, i'll say it again. NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yep Yep Yep...... Its sad that SC can blatantly pay there players and get away with it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I agree with Schell, Don and cj. Nothing will really happen. When the media ignores it the pressure goes off. IMFO the NCAA is now a joke of an orginization patrolling college football. We are still pilliaried and hung for the Ty thing, yet all these other incidents get swept away as "old news within a week." It's like a past landlord I had. If I had sink or toilet problems he would "promise to look into it." Think that happened? Nooooooo. The whole office in Indianapolis needs to be fired and shook up, and get serious. Slugs sitting on their salary each week. Another day another dollar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heismancaliber Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I'm guessing a settlement with Lake is on the way soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Thank you heisman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest irishrick Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 YOUR RIGHT YO HAVE TO PROVE. IT. THAT BEING SAID . THE USC should lose scholies and bowl games for a few years, by the NCAA, they have to do something or you know we will be going through this again at x university again and again , look for some sanctions for the Trojans PS who paid the 300 grand ? Bush , no way looks like a xxxxxx might have paid it for him , for some deal in the future. ?? . what say you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1qa Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 It's not a court... it's the NCAA... does the NCAA have to prove anything? If the NFL can decide to suspend players for not living up to their arbitrary moral standards, the NCAA should be able to set some moral requirements for it's participating schools... So, if the NCAA decides that USC should be punished for Bush's bad behavior... which is demonstrated by payouts and settlements.. then so be it. It would be like parents being held accountable for their minor children being caught for being drunk... the parents didn't drink, but their kids did. In both instances, there is a lack of institutional control. Another aspect that should be penalized is he inability to graduate students. If you graduate 90+% of your football players... you should get the fully schollie limit, if you only graduate 80+%... you should lose 10% of your schollies... and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Additionally, the law requires that you only provide enough circumstantial evidence such that a trier of fact can rationally find for or against the defendant. Here, I think we have that evidence. To bad our Judge, Myles Brand, is a little B*tch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domeanddomer Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I recall the proceedings against ND in the Kim Dunbar fiasco were nice and quick. Very swift movement in that arena. It's a level playing field though right? I mean, the NCAA wouldn't really hold teams to different standards no? 71% of people will see the sarcasm in that post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdougal93 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Additionally, the law requires that you only provide enough circumstantial evidence such that a trier of fact can rationally find for or against the defendant. Here, I think we have that evidence. To bad our Judge, Myles Brand, is a little B*tch. Brand is not only a little bitch, he has been busy with more important things like getting rid of Indian mascots because they are 'offensive". Nothing will happen to those media darlings in the ghetto. The NCAA needs their revenue and their idiots fans need their professional football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I keep hearing people talking about "Lack of Institutional Control" and USC getting penalized......that is NOT how this is going to shake down. The NCAA will not pursue "Lack of Institutional Control" in a case like this. As has been mentioned many many times, it would require PC knowingly letting this happen....and having evidence that he knew. Since this is about the Bush family breaking rules, the NCAA is only going to go after the Bush family. Lack of Institutional Control would only be an option if USC had widespread issues.....and as much as we like to bash them, they do not. The NCAA only needs to find enough evidence to satisfy their belief that the Bush family broke the rules by accepting money / gifts. Once they get this evidence, they would (assuming they believe he is guilty) make him ineligible going back to the date they believe it all started. What would end up happening, is that USC would be forced to forfeit their games in which he played (including their National Title). Bush would lose his Heisman. USC would not lose scholarships, and would not have any more punishments pushed on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Great post Guy. Your on the ball with the rules, such as they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 You could make an argument based on Reggie and OJ Mayo, if you look at them together and USC's athletic department as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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