Stop blaming Clausen

[Guest Qwertyy]

Clausen was one of the only good things about our team today.

He went 21/34 237yds 3td 2 picks. Onto the pick that some are calling Clausens fault:

 

That was Kamaras fault all the way. Near perfect pass actually. Kamara saw it released and for some reason thought he wouldnt have a shot so he turns around to play defense. If he turns around and shields the defender with his body he would have made the catch easily. Stop blaming JC. And dont tell me it was overthrown because it was not overthrown in the least. Sorry if i sound like a ****, but if you know anything about football you could see how Kamara played that ball terribly and that it was in the perfect place. Its was a fade and in that case JC puts his faith in Kamara and hopes he can use his size correctly. And of course he doesnt and it leads to the 2nd int kamara causes.

 

Lets review: If Kamara did what he was supposed to his stats would have been

23/34 250+yds 5 Tds 0 int. And thats not some kind of fantasy what if scenario if you think about it.So we should be happy with the progress jimmy has shown. Those are Quinn type numbers. Blame the oline for there lack of push, the Rbs not using good vision, and the coaches of course. But dont blame' Clausen anymore.

Edited September 7, 2008 by Qwertyy

[NDJoe06]

I havn't checked the 5 td numbers...BUT blaming clausen would be stupid. that is not why we looked weak. we were overconfident!!!! and we played distracted...and our 3rd down play calling was predictable. we didnt catch balls. We won, all we can hope for is that we learn and improve.

 

 

WE F@#$ing WON...we are 1-0...all we can do is look forward and make the win column get bigger each week.

[SpeedsterX]

Qwertyy,

 

I won't lock this or delete it. I agree (somewhat). I don't blame the crappy performance of the team solely on K either, but I expected more from HIM. I believe everything he did wrong is very correctable. Take it easy, noone here is blaming JC for for a poor performance.

Edited September 7, 2008 by SpeedsterX

[Guest Qwertyy]

Qwertyy,

 

I won't lock this or delete it. I agree (somewhat). I don't blame the crappy performance on K, but I expected more from him. I believe everything he did wrong is very correctable. Take it easy, noone here is blaming K for for a poor performance.

 

Have you checked the gameday thread at all? Clausen sucks, Clausen has terrible form, and clausen through a bad int are all there.

 

and Im confused?? Why would this thread be in question for locking/deleting? And does "K" mean Clausen or Kamara? I think you are referring to Clausen but i dont get the K.

 

Basically im just setting the record straight that Clausen is the last person too be blamed here.

[rdrdreamer]

I remember the play. I say he (Duval) catches that same pass next time. When we post in the Game Day thread...it is basically a play by play type posting.

 

What may have seemed like negativity towards Jimmy or any other player was simply a reflection of the particular play just finishing. Over all...I read nothing but good things regarding Jimmy.

 

It's all good here...

[GermanyDomer]

Clausen did well. The 2 int werent nice to see but he had over 200+ yards passing. He took command and marched the team downfield many times. I thought this game was over for sure but he carried the team downfield twice in the 4th to save this teams ass. He didnt take any idiotic sacks this time. Go look at the stats for this game, many guys picked over 20+ yards receiving in this game. We have many threats and the ball was spread around nicely. There were just too many stupid underclassman mistakes. The lines on both sides need to get better fast, but Clausen took command. Go look at the stats for many of our opponents. Clausen did much better than most of them.

[irishziggy]

Have you checked the gameday thread at all? Clausen sucks, Clausen has terrible form, and clausen through a bad int are all there.

 

and Im confused?? Why would this thread be in question for locking/deleting? And does "K" mean Clausen or Kamara? I think you are referring to Clausen but i dont get the K.

 

Basically im just setting the record straight that Clausen is the last person too be blamed here.

 

There def are more ppl on this forum that think he had a good game then bad.

[reneg]

Clausen did fine. He showed good mobility too aside from some nice touch on some passes. He avoided a solid 3 or so sacks from what I can remember.

[GunSlinger]

Not meant for anyone on this thread but I really question the loyalty of some ND fans. I've never seen such a large group of whiney sniveling fans in my life and it sickens me. All these posts saying fire Weis and JC sucks is just plain sad.

[Irishman Part Deaux]

you sound like the kid who was defending britney spears on you tube. the team played poorly and clausen threw some nice fade routes against a team that was stacking the line. Clausen passes were for 10+ yards a completion, even with the long passes. Clausen is not to blame, but he is far from the savior of this football team.

I wrote it all day yesterday. We are not getting the athletes to compete when it comes to the NC race. This years schedule is perfect for ND. not one ranked team until USC. If they play like yesterday against Purdue, it will be ugly for the D.

Also remember Bruton hit at the Goal line to force a fumble before a TD. that would have made yesterday just wonderful

Oh, by the way, the team that the irish played was SDSU.

[irishndfan2]

you sound like the kid who was defending britney spears on you tube. the team played poorly and clausen threw some nice fade routes against a team that was stacking the line. Clausen passes were for 10+ yards a completion, even with the long passes. Clausen is not to blame, but he is far from the savior of this football team.

I wrote it all day yesterday. We are not getting the athletes to compete when it comes to the NC race. This years schedule is perfect for ND. not one ranked team until USC. If they play like yesterday against Purdue, it will be ugly for the D.

Also remember Bruton hit at the Goal line to force a fumble before a TD. that would have made yesterday just wonderful

Oh, by the way, the team that the irish played was SDSU.

 

i agree with you that if we play like yesterday were in for a long season. But the outcome yesterday was due to 4 turnovers, two in the red zone, botched field goal, missed field goal, and penalties that allowed thier drives to continue. the game never should of been close, all those turnovers made this game a nail biter, next week will be close game, no way does Michiagan destroy ND unless clausen throws three pics for td's. Michigans offense is very bad.

[D Fence]

I saw the first half and the latter part of the second. JC looked to me like early on he perhaps was a little too amped up and just needed to settle down a bit, which he did in large part. Overall, he was over 60% which is what this offense requires to be successful.

[domeanddomer]

Not meant for anyone on this thread but I really question the loyalty of some ND fans. I've never seen such a large group of whiney sniveling fans in my life and it sickens me. All these posts saying fire Weis and JC sucks is just plain sad.

 

Classen is fine. However, outside of recruiting...CW just doesn't impress me. He had ten months to prepare this team and that's the best that we could do? I find it interesting that those fans that won't give him a pass get their loyalty questioned. Blind faith doesn't cut it with me. Results do.

[Guest irishrick]

San Diego State red shirt freshman Ryan Lindley, in only his second collegiate start, completed 29 of 59 passes for 274 yards, a touchdown and an interception. He handled ND's constant blitzing with tremendous poise and was only sacked once. this says a lot of improvement needs to be corrected before the Ann arbor crew arrives, I still think that the Irish will be able to re-adjust, as this was the first game . we should be able to beat UM, who will exploit our weakness. you can count on it . that shuffle pass they used was very effective, you can bet tat rich rod will try it. go Irish

[Katzenboyer]

I think it's perfectly fine to comment and/or complain about Clausen's performance.

 

There were quite a few points for the offense left on the field yesterday. Not all of those were Clausen's fault (the Hughes fumble). Some of them were (the horrible fade pattern to Kumara, who had NO chance at that ball).

 

If Clausen didn't get his act together in the fourth, he would have been a goat in this game. There was quite a bit wrong in the first half. The blitz up the middle by SDSU, where Clausen turned his back to the line of scrimmage and then through the ball away (should have been intentional grounding, BTW), was terrible. Jimmy still makes decisions that he'd get away with at Oaks Christian, but this is the big time. You never turn your back to the line of scrimmage, sometimes you have to take a sack, and Jimmy won't be able to beat defensive ends around the corner like he did in high school.

 

I'm glad his performance improved in the second half, and it gives me hope that it was just first game jitters and that his second half performance is what we'll see in the coming season. But to say that Jimmy Clausen wasn't to blame at all yesterday, and that he should be above criticism because his final numbers were decent, is not alright IMO. The offense looked miserable in the first half against a shitty football team, and that starts with quarterback execution.

 

Jimmy has quite a bit to improve on. He locks onto receivers, stares them down, at times shows absolutely no sense of touch, and still makes very poor decisions. Is he a terrible quarterback? No. Did he make some nice throws yesterday? Yes. Does he look like he's still struggling out there? Absolutely.

[D Fence]

I think the most direct indictment from yesterday came from Chuck Long. Asked whether he thought ND of CAl Poly was the tougher opponent, he could not say. Nice.

[Irishman Part Deaux]

I think it's perfectly fine to comment and/or complain about Clausen's performance.

 

There were quite a few points for the offense left on the field yesterday. Not all of those were Clausen's fault (the Hughes fumble). Some of them were (the horrible fade pattern to Kumara, who had NO chance at that ball).

 

If Clausen didn't get his act together in the fourth, he would have been a goat in this game. There was quite a bit wrong in the first half. The blitz up the middle by SDSU, where Clausen turned his back to the line of scrimmage and then through the ball away (should have been intentional grounding, BTW), was terrible. Jimmy still makes decisions that he'd get away with at Oaks Christian, but this is the big time. You never turn your back to the line of scrimmage, sometimes you have to take a sack, and Jimmy won't be able to beat defensive ends around the corner like he did in high school.

 

I'm glad his performance improved in the second half, and it gives me hope that it was just first game jitters and that his second half performance is what we'll see in the coming season. But to say that Jimmy Clausen wasn't to blame at all yesterday, and that he should be above criticism because his final numbers were decent, is not alright IMO. The offense looked miserable in the first half against a shitty football team, and that starts with quarterback execution.

 

Jimmy has quite a bit to improve on. He locks onto receivers, stares them down, at times shows absolutely no sense of touch, and still makes very poor decisions. Is he a terrible quarterback? No. Did he make some nice throws yesterday? Yes. Does he look like he's still struggling out there? Absolutely.

 

 

agree whole heartedly. this team is weak and charlie is to take full responsibility for not having this team ready for a home opener. or is it that these guys are what they are and beating teams like SDSU is what we have to look forward to.

[rdrdreamer]

Classen is fine. However, outside of recruiting...CW just doesn't impress me. He had ten months to prepare this team and that's the best that we could do? I find it interesting that those fans that won't give him a pass get their loyalty questioned. Blind faith doesn't cut it with me. Results do.

 

 

Very interesting point...and with validity I might add. I may be one of the ones that at times question the loyalty of those calling out Coach Weis? Maybe...but never openly, only to myself.

 

Your post domeanddomer has honestly opened my mind to such thoughts. And if I have ever questioned anyone openly...I apologize. I may have the blind faith you speak of, I can not help myself...but I also will respect the thought of others too.

 

I am from the old school of thought on this...Jimmy Clausen is but one player within a team...we win or lose as a team. I know this will ruffle some of us...but it is what it is...my opinion.

[Franco]

San Diego State red shirt freshman Ryan Lindley, in only his second collegiate start, completed 29 of 59 passes for 274 yards, a touchdown and an interception. He handled ND's constant blitzing with tremendous poise and was only sacked once. this says a lot of improvement needs to be corrected before the Ann arbor crew arrives, I still think that the Irish will be able to re-adjust, as this was the first game . we should be able to beat UM, who will exploit our weakness. you can count on it . that shuffle pass they used was very effective, you can bet tat rich rod will try it. go Irish

 

Sorry man, but I think you give Ryan Lindley too much credit. Definitely a solid QB with some accuracy. But ANYONE can avoid the pressure when snapping it from the shotgun and throwing short quick passes. ESPECIALLY when the D can't hide the blitz to save their life. I saw so many plays where Lindley would pick up on the bllitz (heck, even I saw it coming) and throw it to the WR that just passed the blitzing LB. Sorry, not impressive Anyone can complete 29 passes (which, out of 59 is still 49%) with that gameplan. Impressive game plan and execution, but with his accuracy, he couldn't hang with the top tier teams...Heck, he could barely hang with ND's defense.

[SpeedsterX]

Have you checked the gameday thread at all? Clausen sucks, Clausen has terrible form, and clausen through a bad int are all there. This was the part I agreed with you.

 

and Im confused?? Why would this thread be in question for locking/deleting?

Well, like someone else had pointed out, this part of the post reminded me of that idiot screaming, "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE" but I got what you were getting at so I decided to leave the post as is.

 

And does "K" mean Clausen or Kamara? I think you are referring to Clausen but i dont get the K. The first K was not blaming Kamara entirely for the teams poor performance bt you were right about my second "K", I meant JC. Thanks for the heads up and I will correct it.

 

Basically im just setting the record straight that Clausen is the last person too be blamed here.

 

Hope that clears stuff up.