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Du Lac on drinking. (suspension?)

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-05-notre-dame-claussenaug05,0,2234263.story

jeff stuff it, i hope charlie, dosen't respond . media, media crap shoot.

I understand that JC is just a young kid in college, and he's doing what every college kid does, but he needs to be a little more conscious of his image. He needs to understand that he is the starting QB at ND, and he lives under a microscope and some people are just waiting for him to slip up so they can take a shot at him and the university.

The really sad part about all of this is that a person, who calls himself a journalist, is actually writing speculative stories about what might have happened with ND's QB at a party. I guess People magazine is outselling legitimate news story magazines now? Whatever happened to news we could use? If Notre Dame even, as much as, addresses this issue then they are even more guilty of buying into the BS! Leave these kids alone! Best way to screw with future recruits is to attempt to discipline this issue. Looks like the office of home game security is going to have to start confiscating phones and cameras at the front door of parties.

The thing that annoys me is this is the 2nd time Clausen and alcohol have been in the same sentence. He knows better.

 

I'm NOT saying this is a smoking gun - about as far from it as you can get.

 

But I'm sure Clausen was given a speech about what it means to be a player at Notre Dame, let alone a QB, and what kind of microscope that puts you under. He - and the others mind you - knew better than to be seen in a negative light. If you're going to do something this stupid, at least make sure the cameras aren't rolling.

 

Do it with a smaller gathering of closer friends, those that you know aren't immediately going to post pics up on the net at your expense.

 

I think both sides of this are dumb. The Trib for stirring up a non-story, and Clausen & Co. for exercising poor judgment. I hope Charlie gives his guys an earful for this personally.

Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Two things that I want to say about this.

 

First, In the pictures I have seen, the players aren't seen drinking beer. What's to say that they just fielded a team and went to the flip cup/beer pong party and drank something different. I personally know some people that don't drink beer that will substitute something else for the beer. Maybe they did that. Fact is we don't know.

 

Secondly, for those who say that they should know better because beer is around, just how far do you take it? Does this mean that they can't go to any party? Any restaurant that serves beer? A baseball game or a BBQ?

 

Again, while the perception is that they were doing something that they shouldn't have been, there is the possibility that they didn't....and unless these "rumors" are proven, I am choosing to follow the path with a "willing suspension of disbelief".

Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Two things that I want to say about this.

 

First, In the pictures I have seen, the players aren't seen drinking beer. What's to say that they just fielded a team and went to the flip cup/beer pong party and drank something different. I personally know some people that don't drink beer that will substitute something else for the beer. Maybe they did that. Fact is we don't know.

 

Secondly, for those who say that they should know better because beer is around, just how far do you take it? Does this mean that they can't go to any party? Any restaurant that serves beer? A baseball game or a BBQ?

 

Again, while the perception is that they were doing something that they shouldn't have been, there is the possibility that they didn't....and unless these "rumors" are proven, I am choosing to follow the path with a "willing suspension of disbelief".

You forgot to add taking communion where they are not just in the presence of Alcohol but actually drink it.

I held off on any comentary, other then "I am shocked shocked." Yes I am 65 and as a youth all that was on TV were 1930 movies like Casablaca and I know them all like the Cagney movies, born in 1942 SD:). and prove it was beer. Honestly I didn't drink till I was 21 and kept getting carded quite a while after that age.

 

I do note the silly outfits, and surmie, perhaps some frat initiation? I note as well all the cups shown were empty but Jimmies cup was obsured by the woman's partial beer cup? Jimmie was just driving on the first incident, not buying and did not go in with those 21 or over's to buy. That obsuce Indiana law that got him into trouble. I f I was his age and some older ones wanted to buy I would take them as well. Jimmie can afford a ride, (car truck,) and they perhaps could not?

 

Although I think it was injudicious of him to pose, and as as one reporter stated in this age of cell phone cameras and U Tube. However, part of college life is attending party's where beer is served. I don't expect Jimmie to live like a hermit or monk on campus and avoid invitations to those events. Those friends with camers he does not need. As a football player and QB he would be popular and to turn one down would make him arrogant as the same Media attacks Weis for being.

 

Athletes live with regular students not in "special Wild Cat Lodges" like at U of K. That means mixing into the regular student party's and activities going on. He was under the gun, even by me, for showing up in a Hummer on his ND announcement which seemed to NOT make him one of the "regular" students at that point in time. At age 19 I often attended party's where booze flowed but as I said I never drank till I was 21, believe it or not.

 

This won't make Weis happy and as of now Du Lac has to be involved but I see no harm in attending those events.

 

A side benifit is all his Pals were black and that helps squash all the ND racist crap tossed ND's way. The Pix shows just them and not the girls faces so who knows how old they were?

There's nothing wrong with college kids drinking. In fact more power to them. But Clausen needs to be careful and keep his eyes open for losers looking for a story. Whether he realizes it or not he is a celebrity and a student athlete. Im sure the coaches will rip him a new one and tell him to be careful who he parties with.

Listen the only problem with this picture is the rat that released it. These kids did nothing wrong other than being a college kid. The papers who ran this story should find something better to do with their time than write about college kids drinking - big suprise.

I agree Scott.

I think they should've disgised themselves better. Maybe a wig and dress, or perhaps a Giambi stache would suffice? The point is, there is no point. College kids drink and hang out with other kids who drink. It's the socially-acceptable common aggreance, between most students. Yeah, they should all be flogged for being stupid and putting themselves into some bad light. But who really cares about any of this nonsense? Urban just took back a guy who was spraying bullets from his AK-47 in the sky. Which is more noteworthy? Standing by a percieved flip-cup table dressed like red robins, or shooting an illegal gun (unless it has a U.S. stock) in the air with no concern of where the bulletts might end up? Sensationalism.

the pictures just appeared on espn's college gameday....sigh

 

these players need to be more careful about the pictures they are in. Right now I could post a picture of an ND player with alcohol who is currently under 21.. And if anyone wants to hurt ND and are in a similar position Im in they could.

Qwert i agree. I hope you received a welcome to DD?

Seriously, this only is getting attention b/c it is ND. If it were any other team, no one would carry it. But now, BSPN and SI have both run stories on it. I'm willing to bet there are hundreds of pictures of other players on other teams with pics of drinking, yet where's the national press on that one? Those pictures don't even prove that they were actually drinking.

 

As others have said, there are much much much worse violations by various players on other teams that doesn't receive any press at all, yet JC, AA, JA, and BS are at a party and it's time to stop the presses where they may or may not have been doing what 90% of other college kids do? Give me a break.

calves, i must say, i'm somewhat surprised by your response. i think only one side of this is dumb and it is the media side.

 

let get some perspective here, folks. what have we heard about penn st and so many other schools this off-season? certainly far more ( and worse) than "OMG! JC was at a party were beer was!!" as one commenter put it, what if he was out with family at a restaurant or backyard bar-b-q and EVERYONE around him was holding a beer? cuz that's the SAME thing happening here. ND guys around guys who have beers. not exactly a smoking gun, fer chrissakes...

 

look, as a ND fan you *gotta* know that we're always going to get negative press thrown at as EVEN AS OUR GUYS GRADUATE AND KEEP THEIR NOSES CLEAN. no matter what, even the silly things, will be blown out of proportion. deal with it. quit saying JC has to be "more careful." the only way an ND player could be careful ENOUGH not to be the target of low-rent "journalists" trying make a name and a buck for themselves is to go to class and immediately return to their rooms EVERY DAY.

calves, i must say, i'm somewhat surprised by your response. i think only one side of this is dumb and it is the media side.

 

let get some perspective here, folks. what have we heard about penn st and so many other schools this off-season? certainly far more ( and worse) than "OMG! JC was at a party were beer was!!" as one commenter put it, what if he was out with family at a restaurant or backyard bar-b-q and EVERYONE around him was holding a beer? cuz that's the SAME thing happening here. ND guys around guys who have beers. not exactly a smoking gun, fer chrissakes...

 

look, as a ND fan you *gotta* know that we're always going to get negative press thrown at as EVEN AS OUR GUYS GRADUATE AND KEEP THEIR NOSES CLEAN. no matter what, even the silly things, will be blown out of proportion. deal with it. quit saying JC has to be "more careful." the only way an ND player could be careful ENOUGH not to be the target of low-rent "journalists" trying make a name and a buck for themselves is to go to class and immediately return to their rooms EVERY DAY.

 

Clausen's house in SB is nice as hell, he could just hold all the parties there if he wanted. Just make sure to confiscate the cameras and cell phones at the door haha

Clausen's house in SB is nice as hell, he could just hold all the parties there if he wanted. Just make sure to confiscate the cameras and cell phones at the door haha

 

True, and the house is legal and paid for by Jimmy Sr. Can't say that about SC and their athletes (where burners are confiscated at parties).

 

I saw a tease on Sportscenter and immediately logged in, should've known it was something immaterial.

The real story is that underage drinking laws are an utter failure and largely unenforceable. Fix the laws and fix the problem. Hammer the abuse of alcohol not the drinking of alcohol. How smart do you have to be to figure that out? But hey, we would rather hear another ND gotcha story, cus we love to hear about, read about, talk about, and generally just hate those SOBs. Where have all the grown-ups gone?

Look, could JC have used better judgment? I think so but this is not that big a deal. IF he had a party at his house in SB every night (or weekend), you think the media wouldn't report it? Of course they would. They would say that some "troubling and suspicious behavior" is taking place.

 

Negative press comes with the territory for ND, yet some say we're irrelevant.

this is BULLSH!T...sorry guys for the language, but ND is to blame for allowing beer on campus if anyone is to blame(whether or not it happened on campus, allowing beer, which is good, sets an atmosphere). No one was hurt, no one was driving. Lonely women unhappy with their inattentive husbands who were out at bars is the reason 18-year-old men can die in the streets of Iraq, but are unable to legally drink beer. The rules are stupid, the cups are empty, any loss of game time by any of these guys would be wrong because the best thing about ND is that athletes and regular students are kept at the same level as much as possible, these guys would not even have gotten in trouble if they were a regular kid. how much pressure are these young men under, god forbid they unwind with their peers.

Edited August 6, 200816 yr by NDJoe06