Weis flew from Indiana to Hawaii just to say HI then back to Indiana same day? What a Coach

 

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I am impressed as was Te'o and his Dad was whith Charlie. You guys might want to know when it is Noon at ND it is 7 am in Hawaii, the to fly back same day would murder any other Coach. Which media pundants said he never had experience with recruioting?

Love that Te'o lists us as one of his favorites. I hope the coaching staff pulls out all the stops to bring him to ND.

I want this guy to be Irish just as much as the next guy, but I'm curious, not concerned, how the mission fits into the picture. MT is a 5 star recruit now. Does he come in for a year, then leave for the mission in his soph year? How does he stay in the 5 star shape he's in, or will be in after his senior year of high school? Does he stay on a workout program while on the mission? I'm not familiar with how this would work.

bvrady I believe??? Weis sai he had no problem whith him leaving for a year on (Whatever) mission they do. Sort of like Architectual etc majors going to Europe for a year. IMO I don't think it's a hang up.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding was it is a two-year mission after his sophomore year.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding was it is a two-year mission after his sophomore year.

if thats the case i would be a little nervous. as a freshman he probbly wont see a lot of playing time, then as a sophmore his knowledge of the game will be improved just in time for him to leave for two years. it would be like he never commited to ND in the first place, then when he comes back we'll be taking a chance that he's still the same 5-star player he was comming out of HS. i guess it depends on how fast he can get back into shape and how fast he can learn the defense again.

Sounds good, but I still wouldn't get my hopes up.

I don't think it's an issue. A LOT of guys from the BYU squad do the mission, and they are always usually at the top of their conference. On the flip side, they have 23-24 year-old seniors who are much more developed than some underclassmen they might line up against.

 

I think the bigger issue that was pointed out in another thread is just landing this kid. It seems it will be very difficult to pull him from the West even though now he has some good things to say.

I don't think it's an issue. A LOT of guys from the BYU squad do the mission, and they are always usually at the top of their conference. On the flip side, they have 23-24 year-old seniors who are much more developed than some underclassmen they might line up against.

 

I think the bigger issue that was pointed out in another thread is just landing this kid. It seems it will be very difficult to pull him from the West even though now he has some good things to say.

 

I agree. If he does come out for a trip it needs to be early in the season when the weather is nice. If he comes and it is snowing and cold, I think it will be very difficult to land him IMO.

Eligibility is eligibility. The fact that he takes time off can only make him better.

i think the two years off could be an advantage..

im sure they will have conditioning for him to do while he is gone..

that would keep him working out in a college program for 6 years.. by his 6th year, he will have quite the advantage in strength

Let's be honest, the best advantage for BOTH party is that he spends 4 consecutive years at the university of choice, which we all hope is Notre Dame. Four consecutive years of playing football in the same program is enormously more beneficial for BOTH parties than playing 2 years, being on a Mormon mission for 2 than coming back for 2 more years. How that can even be debated is beyond me.

I don't think it's an issue. A LOT of guys from the BYU squad do the mission, and they are always usually at the top of their conference. On the flip side, they have 23-24 year-old seniors who are much more developed than some underclassmen they might line up against.

 

I think the bigger issue that was pointed out in another thread is just landing this kid. It seems it will be very difficult to pull him from the West even though now he has some good things to say.

 

I agree. If he does come out for a trip it needs to be early in the season when the weather is nice. If he comes and it is snowing and cold, I think it will be very difficult to land him IMO.

 

I dont think it's going to matter much about the weather. As it was debated in the thread about Cierre Wood,whether or not the climate would play a factor in the decision, and he later committed. Dayne Crist is from CA, and loved the snow from what I hear, if he feels comfortable at ND will matter more i think.

I usually agree with your Rock, but once the kid is in the system for two years, he knows the offense. Plus, it wouldn't be two and two. It would be sit out a year and learn the system. Maybe play your sophomore year. Take two years off, but stay in shape and keep getting bigger while becoming a better person. Then, come back and have 3 years of eligibility left. 3 years of being bigger and more mature and knowledgeable. How is that a bad thing? You don't need continuity to the degree you are saying. He can catch up in the offseason and be right back where he left off. Additionally, if it was the case that you need continuity, then Kunty and Yeatman wouldn't stand a chance of playing next season. As it is, they will go into fall camp and catch right back up. It's like riding a bike once you get past your first or second year. That, in my opinion, is how going on a two year mission can be debated. Again, back to Sir John...Architecture is the same way with its one year program. One year, two years... It's the same difference. It's like going to school 10 hours away from home or 24 hours away from home. At some point it becomes the same, because you have to fly no matter what.

How that can even be debated is beyond me.

 

The question was how this works and whether someone comes back in shape or not. I was just pointing out that some programs like BYU have been very successful despite having a lot of their kids on this mission program year after year. Sure there are drawbacks, but if you manage for this and plan for it, it doesn't have to be a complete liability. I would take a 5* kid under these circumstances vs. not in a heartbeat.

 

Plus, while I can't go back and research all the kids who went through programs and did missions, I bet a good number of them still were able to attain high honors as upperclassmen and go on to the pros. There was one OL from BYU who was 23/24 when we played them in 2003 who dominated in that game and was a high draft pick, but I cannot recall his name as an example.

awesome... i really hope we get te'o.

I usually agree with your Rock, but once the kid is in the system for two years, he knows the offense. Plus, it wouldn't be two and two. It would be sit out a year and learn the system. Maybe play your sophomore year. Take two years off, but stay in shape and keep getting bigger while becoming a better person. Then, come back and have 3 years of eligibility left. 3 years of being bigger and more mature and knowledgeable. How is that a bad thing? You don't need continuity to the degree you are saying. He can catch up in the offseason and be right back where he left off. Additionally, if it was the case that you need continuity, then Kunty and Yeatman wouldn't stand a chance of playing next season. As it is, they will go into fall camp and catch right back up. It's like riding a bike once you get past your first or second year. That, in my opinion, is how going on a two year mission can be debated. Again, back to Sir John...Architecture is the same way with its one year program. One year, two years... It's the same difference. It's like going to school 10 hours away from home or 24 hours away from home. At some point it becomes the same, because you have to fly no matter what.

 

In all due respect, I disagreed completely with you initially. Now after hearing your response, I disagree with you even more, way more.

 

You are making a huge assumption to think that someone can take 2 years off of football and think that "he can be right back where he left off". How could you possibly assume that. 2 years away from football, practice and the contact that goes along with football. That would be completely unexpected of him to get right back to where was. One example, ask the UCLA QB Olson. Was the nations #1 ranked player in that entire class. Went on the mission, came back, transferred and is still barely even heard of (even before the injury). Being that I only gave one example, I will admit that is weak one with Olson but...

 

Nobody knows this but if he is as good as advertised than he would be expected to play his first 2 years, thus leading to a 2, 2 and 2 year situation.

 

Now to the argument that you give with Kuntz and Yeatman. What was that? That's apples and oranges. Kuntz and Yeatman are NOT expected to miss a single season. Te'o is expected to miss 2 entire seasons. You are actually trying to equate missing spring practice and the spring game to missing 2 entire seasons, along with those 2 spring practices and 2 spring games? Seriously? Also, Yeatman and Kuntz were at many of those practices. They missed the physical part of it but they were there.

 

By the way, football and riding a bike are VERY different. One you can get right back up on, the other is much more difficult to do so.

 

Bottom line, I would LOVE to land Te'O but to expect a kid to leave for 2 seasons on a Mormon mission and actually expect him to come back and step right back in where he was is outlandish! Those are huge ifs and assumptions. Could he come back and be a darn good football player? yes. Can it be easily done? Nope Can he be expected to step back in right were he was and be that same player? Nope, especially not right away.

 

Wave, no negativity or hostility meant. Simply a debate, one that I couldn't disagree with you on.

I agree with you Rock - it will be difficult to come back at the same level after 2 years off. If he is as good as advertised though - we can probably agree that it is worth the risk. Coach Weis seems to think so. One advantage is that he is a defensive player who relies more on instincts and athleticism than the offensive side of the ball. How ready he is when he comes back depends completely on his dedication while away. The difficult part is that he is away from the instruction and the watchful eyes of the coaches - motivation tends to wane just a little when you are not being pushed.

If Te'o were to take his mission, it would be after his Freshman year when he turns 19. That is the age that most Mormons are when they go on the mission.

 

As for the after-effects of going on a 2-year mission, it all depends on where Te'o is assigned. Some players who go on missions work with churches that have very strict rules and are not given the opportunity to go to the gym/work out/stay in shape, etc. However, for the majority of the places assigned, these players will have the opportunity to work out and stay in shape. It is really all a matter of luck - where one is assigned to do a mission.

 

BYU back in the day used to dominate in the trenches because their lineman were all 23-25 yr olds. However, each person is different - some can pick it up immediately when they come back and some cant.

 

Anyways, here's Teo's numbers from the recent Nike SPARQ camp: 6'1, 220 lbs, 4.71 electronic 40yd, a 4.00 shuttle!!!, and 35'' vertical leap.

Anyways, here's Teo's numbers from the recent Nike SPARQ camp: 6'1, 220 lbs, 4.71 electronic 40yd, a 4.00 shuttle!!!, and 35'' vertical leap.

 

All things being equal, mission....etc - I would love to have him, this will be a fun one to watch play out.