Good for him. Be interesting to see what he could at a major football school.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3145534

True we did not stop them at all!

 

Would i bet on the FG??.... NO

 

Was it a HORRIBLE call not to kick..... Absolutely ! I saw him kick a 49 yard field goal in the UCLA game.. Maybe you missed that game? Oh well.. 4th and 9 or a chance to win the game, I will take the chance, if he missed, then OT.

 

oh, man, this is rich...ok, ok so you saw walker make a kick ON THE ROAD on a BETTER field ONCE and hence ( or is it thus? ) it was HORRIBLE call by CW not to go for the FG against navy????

 

you realize that's just about the silliest argument possible, right?

I think we just have to disagree on this one 42!

 

I saw him make a 49 yarder, just like you did. Does that mean he would have made it against Navy NO. But that late in the game to not kick when if you miss you know with only 40 seconds left no way field position was an issue?? You make it.. ballgame. Its easy to say now for sure. But i will forever say that was a Crappy call. Oh well. He is the coach and i am a fan

I think we should all get together and have a fist fight over this issue.

 

Did you REALLY think that we were going to make 4th and 9 behind our Oline? I mean seriously, what is the percentage of sacks that we gave up in that situation?

 

Ok, how about the passed field goal in the first quarter? I hold CW responsible because he didn't go after the points when he had the chance. That's what you do to put your team in the best position to win a football game. Did the D play well? Of course not. But either one of those two field goals and we beat Navy in regulation. BI, the fact is that going for the win....REGARDLESS of your kicker's reliability, is fundamental college football.

 

Scotty...we don't need to be an "out of work college football coach" to see a poor call. I know the two of you want to be behind Charlie 100% and that's great. So do I. But the FACT of the REALITY is that was a dumb decision then, it's a dumb decision now, and it will be a dumb decision if he does it again next year. Maybe Walker makes just one of those kicks and we win the game. We'll never know because CW chose to run HIGHLY risky plays on 4th and long with the nation's worst offense and the maybe the worst Oline in the history of ND. Good call eh?

 

You guys give him a pass all you want, but don't condemn me for calling it as it was...a dumb call.

 

And no...I won't be getting over this anytime soon, even if it means that people on here are so blinded that any sense of accountability to the staff or the players means that I should go back to a SC board or take the Michigan coaching vacancy.

 

You name a single GOOD coach in all of football that doesn't kick those FG's given all the same variables and I'll shut the hell up.

 

Dome, didn't mean to come off that way, wasn't attacking you or anything, chalk it up to a disagreement.

 

I stand firmly behind Weis, although I do have some questions about his playcalling, his preseason regiment and the way he handled the QB situation. I think this year was a big lesson for him adapting to the college game.

 

Having said that I remember the Irish converting on a 4th and long on the opponents side of the 50. I believe it was a Carlson catch on like 4th and 17 or something (sorry if I'm a bit hazy on this past season, it all kind of bled together after the SC game) that made the drive continue.

 

When we got inside the 30 I expected to kick, Charlie knew something about the chances of making it (perhaps getting blocked) and elected to go for it. He didn't have the field position he thought he needed, it is different than being a gambler and going for it like early in the Sugar Bowl last year.

 

I also think the fact Walker made a longer kick at UCLA means nothing in different conditions. I'm sure any kicker would tell you wind is and can be a huge factor.

 

Anyways, I always enjoy the debate and appreciate the other opinions, good to get a different perspective.

"Navy's Johnson to Georgia Tech"- Should we rename this thread to "With a questionable call, Navy sinks ND ship"??

jeebus, i sometimes think some of you guys are here are borderline delusional. do you REALLY think walker woulda made that FG against navy? REALLY? what was his pct. on kicks of that distance this year? would you bet money on him making it? how about your house? anything? yet you keep bringing it up time and time again how CW "gave away" the game with that call. puhleeze! we didn't stop navy ONCE the WHOLE game!! that's why we lost. period.

 

this is the last i'll mention it and i hope to god this is the last thread to ever mention it as well.

 

Did you REALLY think that we were going to make 4th and 9 behind our Oline? I mean seriously, what is the percentage of sacks that we gave up in that situation?

 

Ok, how about the passed field goal in the first quarter? I hold CW responsible because he didn't go after the points when he had the chance. That's what you do to put your team in the best position to win a football game. Did the D play well? Of course not. But either one of those two field goals and we beat Navy in regulation. BI, the fact is that going for the win....REGARDLESS of your kicker's reliability, is fundamental college football.

 

Scotty...we don't need to be an "out of work college football coach" to see a poor call. I know the two of you want to be behind Charlie 100% and that's great. So do I. But the FACT of the REALITY is that was a dumb decision then, it's a dumb decision now, and it will be a dumb decision if he does it again next year. Maybe Walker makes just one of those kicks and we win the game. We'll never know because CW chose to run HIGHLY risky plays on 4th and long with the nation's worst offense and the maybe the worst Oline in the history of ND. Good call eh?

 

You guys give him a pass all you want, but don't condemn me for calling it as it was...a dumb call.

 

And no...I won't be getting over this anytime soon, even if it means that people on here are so blinded that any sense of accountability to the staff or the players means that I should go back to a SC board or take the Michigan coaching vacancy.

 

You name a single GOOD coach in all of football that doesn't kick those FG's given all the same variables and I'll shut the hell up.

 

ok, guess what? we DID have a better F****IN' chance of making the 4th and 9 than we did the FG. PERIOD! go look at the stats for making 4th downs vs. making FG over 40! PUHLEZZE! you act like this was a chip shot or something. it was NOT a dumb call. it may have been a somewhat "controversial" call and again, considering the STATS ( also known as facts! ) i don't even think it was that but whatever, i'd concede that point if you'd like. but it sure the hell was not a "dumb call." that's just wrong.

 

i am also not behind CW "a 100%." that another BS characterization. for example, i got into with a fellow poster here about CW calling a play where the TE in motion is coming to trap a NG who's covering the center. the NG, no surprise, got deep in the backfield and blew the play up. i think that's a bad scheme, the other poster disagreed. and i disagreed with CW starting sharpley over JC in mid-season. and guess what? i was WRONG! CW was right! it was absolutely the right thing to do. but i thought it was a "dumb call."

 

i love how the basis of your argument is this and i quote, "Maybe Walker makes just one of those kicks and we win the game..." really? "maybe" he makes one? that your rational for why it was a "dumb call?" a FG attempt that everyone knows had a 2 in 10 chance of going in versus a 4th down play that at least had a 4 in 10 chance of working. those odds make CW's call the right one.

 

Not sure why you are so heated here BI, but anyways...we'll disagree. I see it as a pretty simple call for a coach in those circumstances. No successful coach would have made the same call as CW did for a reason. It simply wasn't putting his team in the best position to win the game. It should have come by no suprise that we took the sack. And yes, no matter how defiant you might be, passing up on TWO makable field goal chances in one game is inexcusable. You can throw your percentages around all you want...but I guess you could say that if we just ALWAYS went for it on 4th and long we wouldn't ever miss a FG and we could gain 2 scholarships by just eliminating the position altogether. I find it interesting that your argument is that "Walker MOST LIKELY would have missed both field goals". I guess we won't ever know eh? CW never even gave him, or the team, a chance.

 

For the record, we ALWAYS play crappy defense against Navy. So does most other teams. That's why they averaged 40 some points a game this year and were number one in the rushing category.