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Last week in the heat of the game I called for Charlie's head and was promptly lambasted. This week I have kept my mouth shut even though I still see some poor calls on the field, a lack of heart, and a lack of hustle, all of which I place squarely on the coaches shoulders.

 

I made a post on GH after the Michigan game that I thought the team wasn't responding to the coaches and that if they didnt get control it would grow.

 

But even with all that I think I will still wait and hope with anticipation as to what this team will look like next year.

 

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Last week in the heat of the game I called for Charlie's head and was promptly lambasted. This week I have kept my mouth shut even though I still see some poor calls on the field, a lack of heart, and a lack of hustle, all of which I place squarely on the coaches shoulders.

 

I made a post on GH after the Michigan game that I thought the team wasn't responding to the coaches and that if they didnt get control it would grow.

 

But even with all that I think I will still wait and hope with anticipation as to what this team will look like next year.

 

-Batch

 

The fact is this team stinks and has stunk all season. In fact, we have regressed. Anybody who thinks this team has improved overall this season is in a serious state of denial. This team if it was really well-coached should have improved after nine games into the season. I no longer accept that our players are talented, 4-and-5-star players. They simply are not. And they have little to no fire in their bellies.

 

Don't give me the loyalty crap anymore. How many times does it take to watch these guys lose to teams like Air Force and Navy before we fans can be shaken out of a serious state of denial?

 

And what makes anyone think things will get better the rest of this season and next season? All of the sudden the players will just like "poof" be suddenly better next season? Puhhleese!

 

It all boils down to coaching. And if it ain't coaching, it's that the players are overrated. How else do you explain getting a butt-whipping from two of the academy teams the last two weeks?

 

My guess is that some of us have our head so far up our a$$es we won't begin to realize how pathetic things have gotten until we suffer through another year of the same old same old.

 

I am now convinced. It's time for Charlie to go. Because if the guys are as good as everyone thinks they are, he should be able to get out of them what the academy coaches gets out of its players who aren't even on the lowest rating scale and were not recruited by most competitive NCAA teams. Yet they play with precision, fire, execution and they know how to kick butts and win against bigger, more athletic, and "better" teams, just like they did tonight. It's either coaching or no talent at this point. I'm betting on a big dose of both.

 

Nuff said!

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i dont image anyone knows the record of the teams Weis has beaten while at ND and the records of the teams that Weis has lost against?? i think i remember hearing that over the years when Weis was winning alot he wasnt really doing it against the top tier teams but instead beating up on the weaker teams.

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wait...so giving up 102 points in 3 games and scoring 13...compared to even Purdue/UCLA week isnt improvement? i think many ND fans ARE in a state of denial, because despite us not being a good team, ND fans probably have the most pessimistic fan base. My grandpa included. They always look down when they are down and expect to much

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i dont image anyone knows the record of the teams Weis has beaten while at ND and the records of the teams that Weis has lost against??

 

I'm not doing this years results..but in the past...

 

records of teams we lost to....

in 05-06:

Mich. St.- 5-6

USC- 12-1

OSU- 10-2

 

in '06-'07:

Mich- 11-2

USC- 11-2

LSU- 11-2

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I'm beginning to wonder too. Next year is it though. Results wil have to come and come fast.

 

I think he has to get at least 7-8 wins next year, there some excuse to not having a good year this year, but not this friggin bad, but next year there is seriously no way no how that they shouldnt win games with all the talent they will have

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this is what i found elsewhere to be the schedule for next season..

 

S06 SAN DIEGO STATE

S13 MICHIGAN

S20 @ Michigan St.

S27 PURDUE

O04 STANFORD

O11 @ North Carolina

O25 @ Washington

N01 PITTSBURGH

N08 @ Boston College

N15 @ Navy (Baltimore)

N22 SYRACUSE

N29 @ Southern Cal

 

aslong as Notre Dame can improve and play up to their talent level they should be able to bounce back alot?

2 toughest games appear to be Michigan and USC. all the others could possily be winnable games? ..that is if Notre Dame does play up to what theyre capable of. maybe reason to be optomistic?

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I don't believe anyone anticipated this season to be so bad! At some point during this year the excuses of lack of quality seniors, rebuilding, etc.... kind of loses it affect. Some of these games could have been won by coaching; teaching basics, teaching the pro style offense instead of a spread in fall camp, more patience vs gimmick plays. I do believe that Coach Weis will turn it around next year, but the margin of error because of this year has been reduced. Next year, if we go any less than 5-5, the "Throw him off the train" chorus will become impossible to ignore. Realistically, I don't see us competing for an NC until 2009. But, we better not repeat this year because no one is going to believe the rebuilding crap anymore.

 

At this point in the year is 1-8 any worse than 1-9? I do see some improvement compared to the beginnning of the year, but it is a little late. I do believe in ND and hope, pray that ND turns it around. I too look forward to ND on Saturdays.

 

It has been a heck of year for everyone. Nice to see the whole BCS thing turn upside down. If I have any enjoyment this year with college football is to see the BCS crap get a real good rip. Can wait to see the uproar when they they try to pit #1 vs #2.

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I hate losing...

 

But if I (or we) lose... I want it to be because we gave it all, however flawed.

 

Do you all think we're leaving it all on the field?

 

Do you think Charlie is asking team to leave it on the field?

 

Do you think Charlie is conditioning / motivating the team in a way such that they do leave it all on the field...

 

I do see the performance, as Charlie likes to say, is inconsistent... and is not consistent with the "best players play" philosophy he espouses.

 

Or if the "best players" are playing... then I am very concerned about whether we've lost the team for this year

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I am at the point to where I don't want any 5th year seniors back. These senior and junior classes are just horrible. I can't see any of these players from these two classes starting at a top tier school except for a few. They are like lower-level MAC talent. Next year should be about getting the players that are coming in experience to get ready for the future. This team still has a long way to go. Where was Duval at today?

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trevor laws is the only guy who will play on sunday. zibby better start looking for a job...............

 

He can join everyone esle who's stuck around Mishawaka to live off their college notoriety...

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The one bad thing I saw yesterday (and no, there wasn't just one) was the lack of fire from the offense at the start of the game.

These kids looked flat and very uninspired.

They had me thinking that they quit on Charlie, or just weren't giving AF any credit.

 

I too want all of the possible fifth years gone.

Crum can stay because of leadership issues the D will have, but everyone else just go start your lives after ND.

 

Zibby is sleepwalking.

I saw this very early in the season.

This kid was a beast in '05, but now he gets held up by receivers on blocks to often, and isn't creaming guys anymore.

Is he afraid of preserving his career after life at ND?

 

Bruton has been a nice surprise at safety and on special teams.

He will help anchor what should be a great and deep secondary.

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It is tough to embarrass me but the stuff I am hearing on these boards and apparently from the frosh and soph students at games truly embarrass me. This season was a lost cause after Michigan. We all knew it, and as the losses add up, it is even more difficult to pull a win out because you not only play against the opponent but you play against yourself every week more and more as you lose. The best we can hope for is to keep momentum on the recruiting trail rolling, but with the way many are talking that will become more and more difficult because there are so many who can't hold their F'ing tongues and have a little fortitude and patience to see how next season turns out. Is it me or was Illinois 1 and whatever last year? There is a poof moment for players when they hit the right point of their learning curve, to address whoever mentioned that above. There are a lot of fans that just need to shutup and cut the negativity until next season. Charlie is smart. He'll figure it out. My guess is he will be on the horn, if he isn't already, with all of the parcells coaching tree to figure out how to remedy the situation. If Charlie doesn't figure out how to turn this thing around substantially next year, then we can attack, but freaking lay the F off until then! Cut our losses, and keep some positive attitudes so we lose what we need most, which is talent. I wouldn't go into battle with half our fans, right now, because at the first sign of adversity, they start throwing everybody and their mother under the bus matt leinart-style...

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It is tough to embarrass me but the stuff I am hearing on these boards and apparently from the frosh and soph students at games truly embarrass me. This season was a lost cause after Michigan. We all knew it, and as the losses add up, it is even more difficult to pull a win out because you not only play against the opponent but you play against yourself every week more and more as you lose. The best we can hope for is to keep momentum on the recruiting trail rolling, but with the way many are talking that will become more and more difficult because there are so many who can't hold their F'ing tongues and have a little fortitude and patience to see how next season turns out. Is it me or was Illinois 1 and whatever last year? There is a poof moment for players when they hit the right point of their learning curve, to address whoever mentioned that above. There are a lot of fans that just need to shutup and cut the negativity until next season. Charlie is smart. He'll figure it out. My guess is he will be on the horn, if he isn't already, with all of the parcells coaching tree to figure out how to remedy the situation. If Charlie doesn't figure out how to turn this thing around substantially next year, then we can attack, but freaking lay the F off until then! Cut our losses, and keep some positive attitudes so we lose what we need most, which is talent. I wouldn't go into battle with half our fans, right now, because at the first sign of adversity, they start throwing everybody and their mother under the bus matt leinart-style...

 

Amen...

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This is hardly the first sign of adversity this year. There have been ten games from which to have demonstrated some improvement. Yet we don't get any better. In fact, we have regressed. There is no excuse for that. There is something rotten in Denmark and some continue to be in a state of denial.

 

And it will take the same kind of mediocrity on the football field next year for some to realize just how bad things are and have been for more than a year. (This started late last season) Someone posted the number of dropped balls, missed tackles, lack of leadership when QB took a hit out-of-bounds, etc., in the AF game. And how we are dead last in many facets of the game and on track to break records for the worst (insert statistic here). Facts are stubborn things. Take off the rose-colored glasses. It would be different if we had seen some improvement.

 

CW is not the man for the job. To be a successful head coach in college, it takes a much more diverse set of skills than just having been a successful x and o offensive coordinator in the pros. CW has a big heart and brain and is a good talker and recruiter but is lacking in so many other facets of the job of head coach and has trouble walking the walk and doing something with what he has.

 

How well do you think ND would have done this year if either one of the highly disciplined coaches (and effective motivators) at Air Force or Navy would have begun to coach our guys last spring practice? I say much, much better. And I think either one of those coaches would have been working with a whole bunch of more athletically gifted Irish players than the players they actually did coach this year. Being a head coach at an elite university should not be an on the job training exercise as it is with CW. Somehow this fact was overlooked in the recruiting process.

 

Next year, you will agree with my assessement and come to realize that myself and others who see the real problem here and now were probably too patient for too long, not the other way around as you suggest.

 

And cut the loyalty crap. I'm tired of hearing that from those who are in a state of denial!

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