From most pathetic to least most pathetic

 

1) John Latina

2) Ruben Mendoza

3) Brian Polian

4) Mike Haywood(what does he do? doesn't recruit worth a darn)

 

 

...and get a special teams coach and a kicker who can kick the ball past the 10 yd line on kickoffs.

Latina should have been fired weeks ago.

 

I would take anyone else at this point.

i dont see how Latina stays.

alot of people(sometimes myself included) question wheather even Weis should still be here, but i think when you make a change at the head coach thats when recruits start to reconsider their decision, so i dont see Weis going anywhere.

i dont really know who coaches what other than Latina because he gets talked about alot.. but this whole team is talented and they just arnt showing results ..doesnt that have to be because of multiple coaches?

4) Mike Haywood(what does he do? doesn't recruit worth a darn)

 

Starting to agree with that one too, the offensive sucks but our runningbacks look they dont even know what a blitz looks like, 3 sacks were caused by our runningbacks not picking up blitzers

Haywood doesnt do . He has the title of offensive coordinator, but he doesnt call plays. He doesnt recruit, and hes doin a job of coaching the backs. Its not that hard to pick up a blitz.

Who would want to come and be "offensive coordinator" in title only when CW is in reality the OC. The only truly qualified potential OC's would not touch that job with a ten foot pole. In reality, I'm a little surprised that Haywood took the position knowing what the situation would probably be.

Well Weis said he is going to evaluate the teachers and the teaching. So I assume heads will roll. JC was the only shining light and I am thankful Ohio State and Michigan lost to share some of the headlines of gloom. This has been a topsy turvey season.

i think charlie will do some house cleaning this fall, , Coach brown is doing a fair job , but i think he gets to much credit, if he is the defense boss why haven't we gotten a lot better on defense, Haywood the off cord ? why haven't we gotten better, as for the ND practice sessions that you can watch , i see nothing that would indicate any thing but high school type practices at best, too many coaches or what have you walking around doing nothing in my opinion , you got to do more than talk to players got to get down and get mean with these 4/5 stars, some are reading the press clippings. I think iam about as loyal an irish fan as anyone and was recruited by notre dame and Boston college, but being a lineman i honestly think i could coach better than the present coach , since iam a little older than most i would suggest that all American on UND .com guy named Murko be my stand in , he will get in their faces and butt, there is no way that the line men can defend against the option type teams, to big ,to slow, why ? this is why the service academies, god bless them, run the options , smaller , faster , and play with a lot of heart, which i don't see at notre dame , maybe, laws, Carlson , Allen , fits the bill, someone mentioned the fifth year guys , OK But i think crum will be OK , But zibby, should have gone to boxing this year , i don't think he has made more than a very few plays , he is always on the edge looking in so to speak , don't see the fire in him what-so-ever this year,

close, Charley will evaluate all these games and coaches, i agree there will be a couple of new ones this year., I sure hope so as this is getting a little bit sad as the way were ?playing?, some improvement, but these improvements need more , a lot more, we don't have to win all games just at least be WORTHY of winning. that's my opinion , just hope we can win this Saturday as i really think that charlie is the right coach but needs to get the rest of the staff accountable. , what say you ?

Rick haywood came on due to his former HC boss telling him if he wants to be an HC, which he does, go study under Charlie. He hasn't done much at ND, had some slight offers last year and in general i think an assistant coach lasts 3 years. So I think he jumps ship more then is fired like Latina. His position as OC is just a learning expedition we can't tolerate given the collapse of ND football I hear he also does not recruit well and 'get's into the face' of players sort of like latina does.

Well Weis said he is going to evaluate the teachers and the teaching. So I assume heads will roll. JC was the only shining light and I am thankful Ohio State and Michigan lost to share some of the headlines of gloom. This has been a topsy turvey season.

 

Clausen needs to see a corner blitz and throw to that receiver. He doesn't see the whole field. I agree the OL sucks and doesn't give him time, but he still needs to see the field

i read some at another site about Weis. he came from the NFL where alot of players allready knew how to do what, but at the college level its different. players still need coaching. players still need to be taught some of the basics in order to improve. at the high school level they could get away with alot, but that doesnt work in college. there were comments from Aaron Taylor that said the same thing.

is Weis and the coaching staff giving these players the right teaching/training/coaching they require? are the players being taught more how to block, cover, tackle, catch, run routes, ect? is Weis the one who should be teaching these things? or is that deligated to the other coaches? ..somewhere along the lines these things arnt being taught.

maybe if Weis cant actually teach these things he isnt the right guy for head coach? maybe Weis is more cut out for thr NFL where the players allready know how to do these things, and therefore it could be benificial for Weis to not be the headcoach at ND.

 

Weis himself can leave for the NFL right? would Weis leave for the NFL for either a headcoaches job or even offensive coordinator? the last regular season game is the last weekend in December, so would losing teams make moves in January? or possibly wait until after the NFL playoffs? it would be better that if Weis was no longer to be headcoach at ND that that happens after signing day in February. if Weis was actually fired that could turn out bad for recruits who could decide to decommitt, but would it be the same if Weis himself left?

SpecialFNK, good points, but believe me it isn't going to happen , charlie is the man for as long as he wants, i think he just needs to re tune things a bit. go irish

1) John Latina

2) Ruben Mendoza

3) Brian Polian

4) Mike Haywood(what does he do? doesn't recruit worth a darn) OK he must be doing something right , we seem to be getting better recruits, if he is in training as sir john , says OK got no problem with that, whats wron with ruben , i thought he was a good coach ?? Maybe we should get the coach from air force to return ? the other two, well i will reevaluate as soon as the season is over , i think that Murko from und .com co anchor is the one for me , heck Reggie could help out also , i think rocket Ismael could help also, we just got to fine tune things . as i told this fella yesterday OK where down now , but we bounce back in 08 and win the whole thing in 09, 10, and maybe11. what say you ?

i read some at another site about Weis. he came from the NFL where alot of players allready knew how to do what, but at the college level its different. players still need coaching. players still need to be taught some of the basics in order to improve. at the high school level they could get away with alot, but that doesnt work in college. there were comments from Aaron Taylor that said the same thing.

is Weis and the coaching staff giving these players the right teaching/training/coaching they require? are the players being taught more how to block, cover, tackle, catch, run routes, ect? is Weis the one who should be teaching these things? or is that deligated to the other coaches? ..somewhere along the lines these things arnt being taught.

maybe if Weis cant actually teach these things he isnt the right guy for head coach? maybe Weis is more cut out for thr NFL where the players allready know how to do these things, and therefore it could be benificial for Weis to not be the headcoach at ND.

 

Weis himself can leave for the NFL right? would Weis leave for the NFL for either a headcoaches job or even offensive coordinator? the last regular season game is the last weekend in December, so would losing teams make moves in January? or possibly wait until after the NFL playoffs? it would be better that if Weis was no longer to be headcoach at ND that that happens after signing day in February. if Weis was actually fired that could turn out bad for recruits who could decide to decommitt, but would it be the same if Weis himself left?

The whole development issues are what Charlie was addressing when he decided to go to full contact practices a few games into the season.

 

The team was months behind where they should have been.

I don't expect to see these problems so much next year because Charlie will have these kids whipped into shape during spring.

This is what he should have done this year, and he knows it, and he's learned his lesson.

 

Things will be different next year, but I still don't expect to win mor than 6 or 7 games next year.

I hope I'm wrong.

i read some at another site about Weis. he came from the NFL where alot of players allready knew how to do what, but at the college level its different. players still need coaching. players still need to be taught some of the basics in order to improve. at the high school level they could get away with alot, but that doesnt work in college. there were comments from Aaron Taylor that said the same thing.

is Weis and the coaching staff giving these players the right teaching/training/coaching they require? are the players being taught more how to block, cover, tackle, catch, run routes, ect? is Weis the one who should be teaching these things? or is that deligated to the other coaches? ..somewhere along the lines these things arnt being taught.

maybe if Weis cant actually teach these things he isnt the right guy for head coach? maybe Weis is more cut out for thr NFL where the players allready know how to do these things, and therefore it could be benificial for Weis to not be the headcoach at ND.

 

Weis himself can leave for the NFL right? would Weis leave for the NFL for either a headcoaches job or even offensive coordinator? the last regular season game is the last weekend in December, so would losing teams make moves in January? or possibly wait until after the NFL playoffs? it would be better that if Weis was no longer to be headcoach at ND that that happens after signing day in February. if Weis was actually fired that could turn out bad for recruits who could decide to decommitt, but would it be the same if Weis himself left?

The whole development issues are what Charlie was addressing when he decided to go to full contact practices a few games into the season.

 

The team was months behind where they should have been.

I don't expect to see these problems so much next year because Charlie will have these kids whipped into shape during spring.

This is what he should have done this year, and he knows it, and he's learned his lesson.

 

Things will be different next year, but I still don't expect to win mor than 6 or 7 games next year.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

Very true, IrishChris, but what I don't understand is why after he "learned his lesson" he didn't stay in full contact pad practices at full speed??? He went to training camp mentality after Michigan but since then he has been light on full contact again. There is something that is very lacking in the development of our young players and it is extremely alarming. If you don't believe youth can get the job done, especially on the OL, then just look at Auburn, Georgia, Illinois, OSU etc. Not perfect programs but they are competing at a high level.

 

We are 1-9 with losses to Navy and Airforce. Lucky for us we played the backup QB at UCLA to get a win.

 

I'm not being negative, I just think it is time to be real. I hope CW gets it turned around b/c I like him personally and I like his style of FB but there is something terribly wrong with how the team is preparing week in and week out. You can't tell me we don't have the talent to be competitive with the teams we play.

Irish Chris, i think your wrong if Carr steps down , well you know who is the next coach , , it will take Les a year to get things turned around, we will win several games next year , we are going to be vastly improved. with some new positions coaches on board. go irish