Demetrius Jones to Unverb?

[Guest SirJohn]

I was preparing an article for tomorrow here at DD. In one part I mentioned I felt Zach Frazer would be Notre Dames #1 incoming Quarterback. Demetrius Jones most likely to a WR. I will post the article tomorrow.

 

However closing up shop here tonight I have seen many site posts that Demetrius may uncommit. He, after all does not really fit into the Weis mold of Quarterbacks. Some blurbs that he is talking with Tenn.

 

Coach Weis wants no option QB or QB by committee. We all know his QB standards by now.

 

If this happens I think It will be no great loss to ND. I have no idea what kind of WR he would have been and whatever he is as a QB is not what we want. It would be a slot open we can use for more valuable purposes.

 

One thing I do know some DD fans cheered getting him but one thing we do not need is a disgruntled or unhappy ND player. Whatever role Coach descides you do is what you do.

 

Personally back to Zach again. Brady wasn't bad but just 11 months with Weis and 7 with Vaas? Think of Zach and others with YEARS.

[Guest SirJohn]

Sorry guys just when I thought this was all the news the Jackson sun reported Coach Cutcliffe will be Offensive Coordinator at Tenn.

 

Close on the heels of Demetirus Jones rumors to Tenn this is kind of telling. We all know Coach Cut is a QB guy. I put the story about Coach Cut in the OPEN forum. This ole news hound is news chased out tonight ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ time

[Guest Champion10]

This is interesting, I thought that he had completly solidified his commiment with ND after the USC game.

[Guest bluester2000]

I've got to throw in my two cents. I don't know if it was guaranteed that he'd be a wide receiver. You guys seem to assume that Charlie prefers drop-back QBs AND that this kid is a scrambling QB. Two objections:

First, we have no proof what Charlie prefers, he has yet to be able to apply his offense with his players. Charlie may prefer a Vince Young/Troy Smith type QB. A guy with a solid strong arm who can be a threat to run.

And second, while his 40 time is actually a tick or so slower than Brady's was out of high school. I know 40's aren't the end all be all, but generally when I see guys within 1/10 of a second of each other, I don't think there's going to be much of a difference in "field speed." So he and Brady are comperable based off of Scout's stats.

 

I think the Cutcliffe move for Tennessee might be a reach for Clausen more than for anybody else. Was Cutcliffe that involved in Jones' recruiting? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

 

All that being said we will have 4 scholarship QBs on the roster:

Quinn (Senior): 14

Wolke (Junior*): 43

Sharpley (Sophomore*): 18

Frasier (Freshman*): 9

I figure all three young guys will end up with the possibility of a 5th year. Wolke and Sharpley will have open competetion for the backup role. Personally, I'd give the job to Sharpley (higher rated, younger, more potential).

 

Looking at it like this I think Jones' scholarship would be better used on a position where we're not so absolutely stacked.

[Guest SirJohn]

Good discussion points bluester. True Cutcliffe and Clausen as well. I was thinking only that it was odd both rumors about coach and player at same time almost.

 

But back to Jones and Frazer. somewhere Coach said no QB by comm and no option QB. For all intents and purposes a scrambler is option.

 

I take nothing away from Young at Texas. He's almighty lucky not to have been seriously hurt so far. The NFL, where Charlie was is not deeply in love with scrambling QBs. That's a big money investment that could 'poof" in seconds. It is if you run slide or get out of bounds without a hit.

 

Then too I doubt Charlie has a scheme for a scrambler. I know they say Young can make something out of nothing. Weis is more take your time. If you can unload it eat it.

[Rockne3d]

don't make the mistake of discounting DD as not a good QB fit. This guy has a ton of QB talent. Good chance he NEVER gets switched to WR. Besides, we are already bringing in a ton of WR's this year. So, I'm sure Charlie is not looking to him as a WR recruit.

[Guest bluester2000]

John,

The point I was aiming for is that Jones is not necessarily a scrambling QB (which is why I was pointing out his 40 time). While he has racked up rushing yards, that may be a symptom of his team. For instance, they aren't as talented therefore things break down more often forcing him to run. There really aren't any pure scrambling/option QBs left in college football worth mentioning. I agree with Broker in as much as I think DD was recruited to play QB.

 

Broker,

Pound for pound if you had to pick one who would you go with? Having just looked at scouting reports I'd say Frasier.

 

Everyone,

I think their recruiting is not as fantastic as many believe. No reason to go after both Frasier and Jones in my opinion. Frasier is the more touted QB and more prototypical (6'4 200lbs+) of what Charlie's probably looking for. What is the need to continued to have recruited Jones?

And Frasier signed several months before Jones. Why not just withdraw the offer?

 

In my mind I think signing even one QB this year was a questionable decision. We have Brady and Sharpley who should give us 4 more years with Wolke playing second fiddle to both for the next 3. Sharpley is in line to run the team from '07 through '09.

 

On the other hand, it was a good move since Frasier is so highly touted and gives the class another "name" especially early on in recruiting. But in truth he only buys you one more season (2010). If they sign a QB next season it better be a top 10 type guy. Otherwise they're just letting talent sit on the bench for 3-4 years using up a scholarship.

 

There are other moves I don't love either (too many WRs). Would you rather have one more spot in this recruiting class or Barry Gallup? As much as I love punking UBICH by getting him (as many of you know his dad is the assistant AD for the iggles) and as much as he helps the overall team intelligence, aren't we already bringing in 3 WRs who are expected to be more productive? Right now I'd love to have that spot to offer to someone in a position of more need.

[Rockne3d]

pound for pound, I am assuming you are referring to only the 2 QB's, than I say Frazer but I still like DD.

 

As for the WR's they have to get 4 this year. the numbers are low there. we only got 2 last year, one the year before that and 1 the prior year. That is horrible. We seriously need 4 WR's in this class. Only the 2 from last year are really game breaker potential.

 

I guess I disagree with you on alot of your post, sorry. but I think we are on our way to an INCREDIBLE class this year. Football is won in the trenches and our OL could be amazing for this class. DT is still a work in progress. That changes quickly if we land McCoy, which we are very much in on.

 

I do NOT believe that Sharpley will run this team from '07-'09. I think Frazer will run it in '07 and that DD, Frazer and hopefully Clausen will fight it out in '08. The one who comes in 3rd on that list will transfer. That's just how it works. Although, I do like Sharpley and I think he is being overlooked, by myself included. But I just don't think he can overcome Frazer.

 

The quality of Frazer can be summed up real easy. When Weis first took over, he and Cutcliffe (his OC at that time and former collge coach of the Mannings) sat down by themselves and each individually watched the tapes of all the QB recruits ( i believe it was around 200) and narrowed them down to each of their top QB recruit. Without ever comparing anything, they both said Frazer was their #1 choice. enough said. that's 2 guys who know a thing or 2 about QB's.

 

 

For Gallup, I think he will be an awesome player. big time moves and put up HUGE numbers this year. but I do think Parris will be even better than Gallup. Parris and Jackson are wr's designed to usually be split wide. Gallup seems more like the slot type, like Grimes will probably be. Guys who can really punish the nickel backs and sometimes get lucky enough to get lined up against a safety.

 

I think I am wrong for what I am about to say next but let it be said, looking back at this class if there is anything to change I don't believe we need 3 safeties. Gaines may get moved to the Apache LB. but I could live without Gaines or Gordon (Sergio is my favorite safety in our class) ONLY if it were to mean that we can add one of our remaining top recruits at OL, DT, LB.

[Guest bluester2000]

Broker good insight, here's my take:

Agree about the wideouts. At least somewhat.

In '06 we will have 9 scholarship WRs as it currently stands. In '07 that number dives down to 6. The big names from that group would be Grimes and Hord and whoever the stud of this class turns out to be. I think we need Terrence Austin real bad. If we can't get him, I wouldn't take any other WRs due to the size of the recruiting class so far. If we don't get Austin we better get Reuland. I know Reuland's a TE but he's definately a pass catching TE and will be able to be utilized like a tweener.

 

I agree this class is very solid on the O-line. Combined with Duncan and Turk from last year we should feel very good about the situation. That's 7 kids (I'm assuming we land 1 more O-line) that all will be able to start. There isn't one guy I am unhappy with or that I think will be a waste of scholarship. I agree McCoy or Johnson is a must get for DT.

 

If Frazer is running the team in '07 (as a redshirt freshman) you think Jones/Clausen will have the opportunity to beat him out in '08? I don't think Charlie will let a freshman run the team, redshirt of otherwise. It will be an impressive feat if he can beat out Sharpley. Remember, Sharpley is almost as highly regarded and will have 1 more year experience in the system. Really, these are good problems to have. I assume you're dropping Wolke down to 3 in your depth chart after Stanford for the rest of his time here?

 

I disagree about Gallup, but that's why you are the recruitnick on the site. I'm merely offering my perspective. However, one of the best way to examine these kids, without actually seeing them is to look at what schools they turned down for ND. In Gallup's case the list (according to scout) is BC, Duke, Syracuse, and Wisconsin. Not quite a laundry list of high powered offenses. Parris at least had offers from OSU, Iowa, Michigan, Stanford, etc. But remember, Parris dislocated or separated his hip. I am familiar with his work, having gone to the high school he currently attends. I am somewhat concerned about his recovery. Additionally, even if he ever gets back to 100% I am not certain he will be able to be a superstar. Austin on the other hand has offers from UCLA, Miami, Oregon, Arizona. All teams that know a little something about tossing the rock.

 

As far as the plethora of safeties, I don't really have a problem. I think generally they make the best special teams players. They can generally block, tackle, run, etc all proficiently meaning they can be used on kick offs, kick returns, punts, punt returns, field goal blocks, field go attempts, etc.

 

It does seem that we disagree, but definately some good insight. Keep it coming.

[Guest SirJohn]

I think Parris will be OK. I say this more cofidantly than I woud another players medical injury. Normally there would be a tight lid. But this involves his HC Coach friends, HS classmates, Notre Dame, the Cleveland rehab Clinic and public comings and goings. As well, sometime late October a campus source indicated Coach Weis had asked Romeo Cranell to oversee his rehab. So right there is just too many cooks to hide anything negative.

[Rockne3d]

blue, I appreciate your truthful response.

 

I would love to get Austin. He would be a huge addition. The perfect compliment to Jackson. Problem, we have no room. Let's assume we only get 2 EEs and we are leaving 2 spots open for Young and McCoy. We currently have 22 commits who have gone public. I'm basing the next comment on knowledge, not just speculation. Reuland and Carufel are silent verbals. Rumor: some people in the know supposedly are saying that Wenger is going to commit in a few days to ND. That would put us as 25 and with 2 EE's we can go up to 27. Those 2 remaining spots are reserved for Young and McCoy. Let's than say we get 1 more EE, that allows us to get the MLB that we NEED. It would be M. Johnson (future DT) or T. Smith.

 

Again, would love to get Austin but I see no room for him unless we do NOT land McCoy or Young. Than I would be disappointed that we did not land Austin because it would mean we missed on Young and/or McCoy.

[Guest Snatchy_McPants]

Just chiming in with my 2 cents here.

 

In regards to our commits at receiver, I'm very satisfied. Looking at just Gallup and West, these guys are touchdown scoring machines. Let's not forget that Gallup was also invited to the Army All-American game, no small feat for a kid from Mass. Guys like that, no matter who they're up against, just have a knack for getting in the end zone. (See Jeff Samardzija) With West, assuming he settles in at WR, this is a guy who can score, and has scored, any way imaginable. While it does appear on the surface that we don't have any "marquee" recruits at receiver, I still like the talent we currently have and will have coming in. With freshman jitters and learning curve out of the way, I expect big things out of Horde and Grimes. I suppose I should also mention that I am an admitted optimist, so take my opinions with a grain of salt.

 

My biggest concern at this point is the defensive line. I'm not sure if it's scheme or personnel related, but our D-Line just doesn't seem to get as much interior push as we used to. I love the effort by Landri and Laws, but I think this will be an issue going forward. Linebacker looks to be improving with Richardson and the young guys we already have. I also see Gaines switching from safety to LB. Bottom line, if we land McCoy and/or Johnson, I will rest much easier.

[Guest BG Tom]

I agree with the guy thats stealing peoples pants haha! I have heard people liken Gallup to Getherall ,I think I spelled that right, but better. Maybe a Shelton clone who gets more catch's than Matty has this season. Richard Jackson and Hord are thouroughbreds. I saw Jackson making amazing catch's in a recruiting video leaping around looking like Stovall. They have Jackson rated the 5th best player in the state of Florida. Coming from there that says alot. I also agree the D-line needs some real attention. I pray to God each night that im going to wake up the next morning and hear we got McCoy and Johnson. That would be a major coup.

[chirodomer]

I was preparing an article for tomorrow here at DD. In one part I mentioned I felt Zach Frazer would be Notre Dames #1 incoming Quarterback. Demetrius Jones most likely to a WR. I will post the article tomorrow.

 

However closing up shop here tonight I have seen many site posts that Demetrius may uncommit. He, after all does not really fit into the Weis mold of Quarterbacks. Some blurbs that he is talking with Tenn.

 

Coach Weis wants no option QB or QB by committee. We all know his QB standards by now.

 

If this happens I think It will be no great loss to ND. I have no idea what kind of WR he would have been and whatever he is as a QB is not what we want. It would be a slot open we can use for more valuable purposes.

 

One thing I do know some DD fans cheered getting him but one thing we do not need is a disgruntled or unhappy ND player. Whatever role Coach descides you do is what you do.

 

Personally back to Zach again. Brady wasn't bad but just 11 months with Weis and 7 with Vaas? Think of Zach and others with YEARS.

 

Think DJ transfers or goes to SLOTBACK?

[Guest SirJohn]

That was my post 2005 See the date.

[chirodomer]

I saw it! I was surfing the archives to let people know that we do have a good board.

[jfschellcrna]

those would seem to be his choices. we'll see........

[Rockne3d]

Leave it to Chiro to jump into the Way-Back-Machine.

[el senor domer]

right on rock...he loves to stir the pot!!

[chirodomer]

WAS I stirring? Kind of sounds like I had heard some underground rumbling recipes. I had heard BC, UW and UNI. I knew the other 2 schools were covered.