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3 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

Was listening to an Irish Illustrated video today and they said the stating linebackers were: Kiser, Bertrand and Bauer. Dbs were: Bracy (nickel), Lewis, Hart, Griffith and Joseph. 
 

i have a hard time believing Barnes, Mickey, Riley and Morrison are all behind Lewis. If this is the case and there are no politics at play, Ohio State is going to steamroll us. Familiarize yourself with Smith-Njigba because you’re going to be hearing his name a lot. 

Take it for what it is worth but I have heard that Lewis has worked very hard in the off-season and has become much better and stronger. It also sounds like Mickey will definitely get some playing time. 

I agree Golson on game one  

 I expect him to be a dynamic qb that is able to run and throw. 

I also expect him to throw downfield, look to throw receivers open and take some chances. Those chances will result in more int’s than we are used to, but I also believe it will give us more big plays through the air than we have been accustomed to. 
 

i might be in the minority though for game 1. I think he is going to shine against O$U. Could he have an int or 2 sure, but I look for him to make some big plays and the offense put up points in the 30’s. 

On 8/7/2022 at 11:27 PM, OKelleyIrish said:

Nobody reported the WRs were goofing routes as it relates to what they reported about Buchner. They reported arm/accuracy inconsistencies. I'd guess WR goofs were treated separately and distinct as far as the reporting goes. You can have both....

You're highly defensive about any factual reporting, or realistic speculation. My bet is on Buchner. I've been clear about that. But I won't pretend it's all puppy dogs and rainbows lol. Most fans who follow have the same, and very real concerns. We haven't seen much yet. We'll see more. Let's see it play out. The fact it's still called a competition says something in itself. 

Haha. Sounds like we are listening to different people. You don’t think I’ve listened to factual reporting?  I have acknowledged that he has to prove it and that he isn’t perfect.  I know he has things to work on. I just know that I have heard he also looks very good. And of course it will play out.  Yes it has been reported routes were run wrong.  You also like to cherry pick things I say.  I said some of the miscues were receivers, not all.  

22 minutes ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

The QB position will be the most talked about position battle of fall camp

Pyne and Buchner are about even or there would not be a competition

Buchner has more potential. Speed, 2 inches taller,  not as polished. Played more but in a limited role. Leadership is an unknown.

Pyne has alot more time at ND. Redshirted under Book.  Played a little. Is a vocal leader. undersized. No wow skill 

 

SO DOES ND GO WITH:

POTIENTIAL: BUCHNER

POLISH:      PYNE

In my opinion it is a competition in name only. Those 2 are not close to neck and neck. Buchner is taking most of the first team reps. 

31 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

No need to try and shift blame lol.

Reports are reports. It's not exactly a surprising thing that we didn't expect to hear early camp. 

Lol. Not shifting blame. It’s a fact. Not all incompletions are the qbs fault. A source I listened to said that some of that was very much on the receivers. He said buchner put the ball where it was supposed to be and that the receivers weren’t there for different reasons. They said they saw that on a few occasions. Just reporting what I heard. Do with it what you want. 

51 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Even the latest report I read said Buchner struggled with accuracy a bit on 11on11 team snaps. 

It did say that his comfort level had improved in the pocket, which is a good thing. 

I've yet to see 11/11 film on him that's not been a mixed bag. Anything you can point me to?

You also have to remember that not all of those accuracy issues are his fault. Being early on in full camp wide receivers aren’t always running the right routes or running them correctly. 

I’m hearing great things about tuihalamaka and Bauer might end up being the odd man out.  Not because he’s bad but because tuihalamaka is just that good.  

Tuihalamaka is going to get his fair share of time.  He might even be starting by midseason.  

13 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Everything I posted was reality based on what I've seen and read. Nothing was negative. I'm just not going to pump sunshine. I expect him to start, and grow/develop this year. I will cheer for him regardless. It's not like I'm wishing Pyne gets the start, or hoping Buchner doesn't have a great year. 

Lol.  Perspective I guess.   Everything I posted is also reality based on what I've heard and read.  It's not pumping sunshine.  It's what has been reported and seen.  Of course he will grow and develop this year.  I guess I think he will start the year farther along than you do based on what I have heard and read.  We shall see.  

On 8/6/2022 at 10:29 AM, NDhoosier said:

Salerno will not be the starting slot...

The starting 3 WRs will be:
Thomas
Styles
Davis - after yesterday's practice and press conference, it seems Davis will be full go before the season starts.

Berrong should also be back and challenge for the #2 TE spot.

I agree with this, and raridon won’t be far behind. 

On 8/5/2022 at 8:50 PM, coltssb said:

I don’t know. People really want Spindler to move up but he seems to still behind a little bit. 

Agree. I’ve heard he’s getting passed by other guys and right now is running more with the threes. 

32 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Being elite, and having an elite ceiling are two different things. Buchner has an elite ceiling. His passing was far from elite last season in the little we saw. It was also reported he's struggled at times in the off season. Pyne is neither elite, nor does he have an elite ceiling. So odds are obviously that Buchner starts. And everyone expects it. I expect it. I'm just not buying the sunshine train about his passing. Throwing short routes, which you acknowledge is an area where he struggled, is a big, and a basic, part of the game for a QB. It's the meat and potatoes part of any QB's game. 

Lol.  You are cherry picking everything negative.  I believe there is nothing I can say that will give you optimism that Buchner is the real deal so I will stop trying.  I for one look forward to seeing him play and lighting it up this year.  Go Irish. 

13 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Buchner was the 11th ranked QB. That's good. Not elite though. I would agree he has a high ceiling.

But... To use Freeman's words, "Everybody knows he can run".... 

He'll need to prove things passing. Missing his senior year, fiddling with his throwing motion, used as a run first package guy last season... Just a ton of questions still. We all saw the same thing last season with doses of both Buchner and Pyne. Neither looked like obvious QB1s. But guys develop and get better. So not by any means suggesting he won't be a good QB. We simply haven't seen it yet. Early reports out of fall practice aren't exactly obvious. But it's way early. We'll see. 

I will agree to disagree with you that his ability and skill set are not elite.  His ceiling imo is an elite QB at the college level. 

I agree with you that he certainly has a lot to prove with his passing on Saturday's, but there is evidence that he is much closer to doing that than not.  IMO some of these guys that report on ND football are clowns.  I have listened to many different ND media members for a while now and to me hands down the best is Driskell and his team.  They know the game of football and exactly what they are looking at, and are fair and honest in assessment.  I listened to many podcasts of theirs (I highly recommend by the way) this spring and summer and this is what they saw and came away with.   Buchner has shown great feet, an ability to throw on the run, hit deep balls accurately, throw receivers open, and throw from different arm slots.  Throwing short routes consistently has given him some trouble, but all accounts are that he has worked hard on that and has gotten better.   Driskell’s team has said that Buchner is the number one hands down both in the eye test and, their words, "He  got 90% of the 1st team reps in practice on Friday."  

Also, Freeman's not stupid.  If I were him, I would absolutely downplay Buchner's ability to throw.  Then come Sept. 3rd and Bam here you go.  

4 hours ago, irishwavend said:

I feel like he needs to work on developing a qb…  I have YET to see a developed qb since Kelly took over.  The only developed qb was Coan who was developed outside the program.  I’m getting tired of the same crap…Book was horrendous as an actual passer who could read a defense and hit a man who was open before he was open.

Book got drafted!  He was no where near an nfl caliber qb when he came into college. Rees developed the hell out of him.  Unfortunately he had limitations and refused to trust himself.  A coach can only do so much, imo to say book was undeveloped is not accurate.  

3 hours ago, irishwavend said:

I feel like he needs to work on developing a qb…  I have YET to see a developed qb since Kelly took over.  The only developed qb was Coan who was developed outside the program.  I’m getting tired of the same crap…Book was horrendous as an actual passer who could read a defense and hit a man who was open before he was open.

1 hour ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with Freeman exploding lol. I like fire. 

Harry has fire, so I'm sure the OL will be taking a nice step forward this season. 

On QB, I do want there to be communication, and I do want the QB to lead and be vocal. But I just expect "presence" to grow over time. Regardless of level of presence though, both QBs should be openly dialoging real time with their targets, and learning every rep. And until QB1 is identified, and has some experience, I expect the position coaches to be jumping in to be corrective, regardless of if it's the QB, WR, TE, or RB making a goof. 

3 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

I've just been honest with myself on QB recruiting. Most have been average recruits. IIRC, Buchner was outside the top 10 a bit, but was decently ranked. But I've always seen him as a project. 

As far as this season goes, I think Buchner brings the most upside, while Pyne is likely the better passer. 

Book wasn't that bad. He was never seen as a stud coming in. He outperformed expectations, so I'll at minimum appreciate that. 

Carr is the fist legit top 5 guy we've had in a while. I'll bide my time lol. 

I think you are completely underrating Buchner. First off, he is their qb 1 and it isn’t even close.  Marcus is just doing what he needs to do and say to the media.  Buchner was a high 4 star/5 star. His ability to change a game with his legs and throwing ability could be unparalleled in his time in college. Imo there is no way Pyne is a better pssser than Buchner.  I hope you are pleasantly surprised by him this year. He has the ability to be an absolute stud. It sounds like his foot work was top notch and decision making was strong in the first practice. He also has the ability to throw receivers open. Now does he have to prove it on Saturdays. Absolutely!  But I for one am extremely excited for what Buchner brings to the table. 

12 minutes ago, JTennant said:

Yes we get that, Jack has said that numerous times, but it's going to come down to availability of captivating matchups and that's dwindling as time goes by

 

The cannibalism of CFB isn't even close to done, so if you think ND playing BYU Wake Forest UNC Stanford Oregon State Kansas State Colorado is going to carry the brand, I think you're mistaken. 

 

You can kiss that we'll take a 20M pay cut to retain our independence sentiment goodbye Jack. You might as well join the Ivy League like you threatened back in 2015/2016. 

Well if the conferences refuse to play ND and their path to a title is blocked, then they would join a conference.  There however is zero evidence as of right now that the teams in the super conferences would not be aloud to play outside of their conference. 
 

ND holds many bargaining chips here. They are in a great position. Jack has known this was coming for many years.  He has been positioning ND to be able to do what’s best for the university. If they can have a path to a championship and be independent, then they will. 
 

2 hours ago, JTennant said:

I'm saying ND gets less from their NBC deal than they would if they joined the Big10 or even the ACC via their respective network deals.

They actively take a pay cut from the network to maintain their independence. 

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/why-the-agreement-to-split-acc-and-nbc-tv-revenue-could-help-notre-dame

 

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-07-03/how-much-money-waits-for-ucla-usc-in-the-big-ten

 

Here are some numbers. I hope you weren't trying to put words into my mouth. Probably my only pet-peeve 😄

I was trying to get clarification.  Their contract with nbc is up in a couple of years. They will surely re-up for much more.   They don’t rely on the tv revenue to survive like some other schools. Also they make so much revenue in other places.  Their independence and brand  is worth more to them then the little extra they would get in tv money. 

14 hours ago, JTennant said:

Probably a 6-7 million/year bump in football revenue over what ND currently gets. 

Right now Big10 teams get about 3-4 million more and I can only assume the new TV deal would net an even larger increase. Perhaps more than 6-7 million more.. 

Are you trying to say that all big ten teams generate more revenue than ND on a yearly basis?

7 hours ago, Kid Gloves said:

Do you guys think that if Dante Moore doesn’t come to ND that we will then reclassify Carr to the 2023 class?  I’m thinking ND is waiting to see what Moore does. If Moore chooses ND then I think they will keep Carr in the 2024 class. I may be completely off on this but wanted to get some you guys’ thoughts?

Reclassifying is all up to carr. Right now it is most likely that he stays and likely enrolls early for 24. It has nothing to do with what Moore decides.  The staff is reaching out to other possibilities at qb already.  Baylor’s commit is a big possibility to flip.  He is taking visits to other programs.  He is interested in ND.  
 

Moore could still be a possibility. Nd is not going to stop recruiting him even when/if he commits somewhere else. 

4 hours ago, 4thand1 said:

Hearing that another school might have said something about ND that negatively impacted their recruitment of Freeling.  Details weren't shared other than to say it's not NIL related.  Does anyone know what this is about??  Hearing it wasn't a complete deal breaker for ND but a setback.  

I doubt anyone else knows the inside scoop. Be patient. Driskell will share it when freeling commits. I’m assuming that’s where you got the info. 

On 6/19/2022 at 4:47 AM, jimbo said:

For me, it is the USC game. 2 hotshot new coaches, a traditional rivalry, I think this game will be a barn-burner this season and probably for the foreseeable future. I'm giving USC an A+ for their hire of Lincoln Riley and ND lit it up with MF.

I think ND has another blowout.  USC is a 4 win team that will still be awful in the trenches.  I think Riley is overrated personally.  His defenses were weak.  We will see but I'm not buying him totally turning around USC.  

20 minutes ago, golson5 said:

Very odd.  Afraid of playing time if we get Moore?

No. It was an unofficial. Nothing to see here. 

3 hours ago, irishwavend said:

On the scale of me versus team, he seems to be more on the “me” side, which is not a bad thing, but it seems that Carr is more on the team side.  He’s enthralled with Notre Dame, itself, whereas it’s more of a business decision for Dante meaning he doesn’t have the same attachment necessarily.  But, I said it was potentially a problem…we know that once kids get to ND, a lot of them fall in love…tho not all.  Carr’s love seems guaranteed.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush…Carr’s our bird in the hand.

Moore is still very much in play.  He loves ND.  From everything that I have heard and read, Carr's guidance around him guided him in a way that allowed him to see everything he wanted and make the choice that HE felt was best for him.  No pressure was put on Carr to go certain places.    Moore has some guidance around him that may not necessarily be looking out for his best interests.  Let's leave it at that.  

I think we have to be careful judging these kids.  They have many outside forces in their ear that aren't always on the up and up.  It has to be very stressful picking and knowing who they can trust and who they can't.  

On 5/20/2022 at 6:52 PM, NDhoosier said:

According to driskal’s podcast, ND told irvin that they didn’t have room for him anymore. 

18 hours ago, AnTostal said:

Trigger warning....

 

Now we'll get to see Angeli quite a bit.  And probably even a Powlus sighting.

You may not see Angeli anymore than you would have.  I believe Pyne is going to be the starter for both the blue and gold teams.