VCDomer 67 Posted October 27 Author Share Posted October 27 So the word is the coaching staff is going to meet to discuss next year and the possibilities of going back into the portal. Between the lines it seems to say “convince me we have THE GUY” or “Not sure about what we have so let’s explore”. The landscape of college football has changed. You better have a stud or keep looking. IMHO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy 908 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 hour ago, VCDomer said: So the word is the coaching staff is going to meet to discuss next year and the possibilities of going back into the portal. Between the lines it seems to say “convince me we have THE GUY” or “Not sure about what we have so let’s explore”. The landscape of college football has changed. You better have a stud or keep looking. IMHO Yeah, I just saw that too. Here’s a post about it from Pete Sampson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synoptico 299 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 On 10/23/2023 at 4:48 PM, mcgov12 said: I think you put it best…no need to take a warm body unless something drastic happens there, but if a guy that greatly improves your team it’s a no brainer I think you 100% have to get one. I also dont know why people assume Kenny or Angeli wont transfer themselves. Transfer portal is a two way street. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy 118 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Maybe I am just too set in my ways (old dog, new tricks) but it seems to me like there are bigger issues at play if the staff still needs to dip into the xfer portal at this point. There are 2 guys on the roster that have had the opportunity to spend a year in the system and learning from an incredibly experience veteran QB. There is also a very highly rated QB coming in to the program that may have the chops to push for playing time in year 1 (I hope he gets to sit for a year to acclimate, but QBs are coming in to college more and more prepared every year....so who knows). It is also worth noting that the Hartman situation is not something you should expect to see every year. Hartman was a high end QB that had oodles of experience and wanted to come back to improve his draft stock. Additionally (and probably most importantly) is was also a graduate xfer. For ND there are limitations (self inflicted wounds for sure) on who they can bring in from the portal. Hartman checked all the boxes. Is there going to be another high end QB that is either a grad xfer or someone that really hit the books? I completely support dipping into the portal if it is a legitimate need, but there is a point where the staff is going to have to develop and play one of their own. I have a huge concern that continually using the portal for a one-and-done QB is going to have an impact on recruiting and on being able to retain the talent on the roster. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo 318 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 41 minutes ago, IrishGuy said: Maybe I am just too set in my ways (old dog, new tricks) but it seems to me like there are bigger issues at play if the staff still needs to dip into the xfer portal at this point. There are 2 guys on the roster that have had the opportunity to spend a year in the system and learning from an incredibly experience veteran QB. There is also a very highly rated QB coming in to the program that may have the chops to push for playing time in year 1 (I hope he gets to sit for a year to acclimate, but QBs are coming in to college more and more prepared every year....so who knows). It is also worth noting that the Hartman situation is not something you should expect to see every year. Hartman was a high end QB that had oodles of experience and wanted to come back to improve his draft stock. Additionally (and probably most importantly) is was also a graduate xfer. For ND there are limitations (self inflicted wounds for sure) on who they can bring in from the portal. Hartman checked all the boxes. Is there going to be another high end QB that is either a grad xfer or someone that really hit the books? I completely support dipping into the portal if it is a legitimate need, but there is a point where the staff is going to have to develop and play one of their own. I have a huge concern that continually using the portal for a one-and-done QB is going to have an impact on recruiting and on being able to retain the talent on the roster. Yes, I think it comes down to if the staff has confidence in Angeli/Minchey for next season. I hope it's Carr though he's still a freshman. My take is Angeli is a maybe, with Minchey probably having more upside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synoptico 299 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 hour ago, IrishGuy said: Maybe I am just too set in my ways (old dog, new tricks) but it seems to me like there are bigger issues at play if the staff still needs to dip into the xfer portal at this point. There are 2 guys on the roster that have had the opportunity to spend a year in the system and learning from an incredibly experience veteran QB. There is also a very highly rated QB coming in to the program that may have the chops to push for playing time in year 1 (I hope he gets to sit for a year to acclimate, but QBs are coming in to college more and more prepared every year....so who knows). It is also worth noting that the Hartman situation is not something you should expect to see every year. Hartman was a high end QB that had oodles of experience and wanted to come back to improve his draft stock. Additionally (and probably most importantly) is was also a graduate xfer. For ND there are limitations (self inflicted wounds for sure) on who they can bring in from the portal. Hartman checked all the boxes. Is there going to be another high end QB that is either a grad xfer or someone that really hit the books? I completely support dipping into the portal if it is a legitimate need, but there is a point where the staff is going to have to develop and play one of their own. I have a huge concern that continually using the portal for a one-and-done QB is going to have an impact on recruiting and on being able to retain the talent on the roster. What happens if 1 gets hurt and 1 transfers? Need to have 4 scholarship QBs on the roster. Attrition will happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffV 281 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 I could see why we'd play the portal 1 more year, but if we're not developing starters from within that 2 way street of outgoing transfers is going to perpetuate. I'd love to see Minchey make a jump in the offseason. Angeli hasn't jumped out still. Carr is polished but young. Interesting off-season loading. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy 118 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 2 hours ago, Synoptico said: What happens if 1 gets hurt and 1 transfers? Need to have 4 scholarship QBs on the roster. Attrition will happen. There will be 3 on next season's roster (more if you count the walk ons). 3 to 4 is a healthy number that should lead to heathy competition and coverage in case of injuries. Of course, in the day of the portal it may also lead to 1....glad I am not a coach. If you go to the portal, you now have 2 guys that have been passed up twice with a TF coming in to fight for the spot in 2025 (which, at that point, Carr is likely the favorite to take over). I think this scenario is much more likely to result in players jumping in the portal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYGoldenDomer 1,902 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Going forward, QB is going to be the position in which the portal will have the biggest effect on underclassmen. ND's current situation is exactly why. You have Angeli going into his JR year next season. He paid his dues as 3rd string last season in his freshman year and 2nd string this season in his sophomore year. Just about everything I read online and hear on ND podcasts is "Will Kenny Minchey be ready to take over next season?" I honestly don't think I have seen a single outlet mention Angeli for next season. Now, I get it, Minchey has more upside. He was a higher rated recruit. You hope he is ready to go. Not everyone is meant to start. Etc, etc. Ok, so Minchey(SO) starts next season, Angeli(JR) QB2 and Carr(FR) QB3. Carr is supposed to be an even better player than Minchey. So Minchey gets surpassed by Carr after starting one season. Angeli gets passed on again. Hopefully at that point Angeli gets it, he's not starter material at ND and is ok with it. Well, Minchey spent a season playing, I'm sure he's going to want to keep playing. He transfers out. Ok, well, Minchey is gone, Carr(SO) is QB1, Angeli(SR) still QB2, and now Knight(FR) is QB3. Do you think Knight, a borderline 5* recruit is going to want to wait 3 years for Carr to graduate before he starts for one or two seasons? And this isn't even taking red shirt statuses into account or players leaving early for the draft. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo 318 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 The possibilities seem almost endless. Last year at this time, did any of us think that both Pyne and Buchner would hit the portal? Or that Pyne would leave before the bowl game? At least it keeps the off-season interesting. 555 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTennant 290 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 On 10/26/2023 at 8:58 PM, VCDomer said: So the word is the coaching staff is going to meet to discuss next year and the possibilities of going back into the portal. Between the lines it seems to say “convince me we have THE GUY” or “Not sure about what we have so let’s explore”. The landscape of college football has changed. You better have a stud or keep looking. IMHO I think they do this with every position and it goes without saying. ND needs to go into the portal at QB any chance they get. CMF repeatedly laments the difficulty getting undergrad transfers in at ND so they need to throw around NIL and whatever they can to get the best players who either have their degree or are freshman who haven't been admitted into a "school/college" yet. Unless you have Brady Quinn I'm going into the portal for a signal caller every year. Hopefully Angeli is that dude but remains to be seen. Looked really poised and under control today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thand1 225 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Bigger issue to me is whether Parker will have an offense that is considered appealing to QBs and WRs. I am confident with the group of 3 QBs for '24 unless a heisman candidate level transfer is interested. I would take the transfer only if I'm convinced that Parker will take more shots downfield. I love the ND running game and don't want it to go away but maybe more balance. I don't have the #s to back this up. Maybe it's more balanced than I realize. I would hope that '24 is the last year this has to be a topic. If ND continues to sign QBs like Minchey, Carr and Knight I roll with my recruited guys year in, year out. Also, communication with the rostered QBs is essential. Have a heart to heart with them and explain why you go to the portal if you feel you need to. Minchey and Angeli will know if they are performing like playoff level QBs or not and may understand the decision if they aren't. They were alll told that ND is striving to contend for championships and no one player is above that goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessemoore97 1,119 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 5 minutes ago, 4thand1 said: Bigger issue to me is whether Parker will have an offense that is considered appealing to QBs and WRs. I am confident with the group of 3 QBs for '24 unless a heisman candidate level transfer is interested. I would take the transfer only if I'm convinced that Parker will take more shots downfield. I love the ND running game and don't want it to go away but maybe more balance. I don't have the #s to back this up. Maybe it's more balanced than I realize. I would hope that '24 is the last year this has to be a topic. If ND continues to sign QBs like Minchey, Carr and Knight I roll with my recruited guys year in, year out. Also, communication with the rostered QBs is essential. Have a heart to heart with them and explain why you go to the portal if you feel you need to. Minchey and Angeli will know if they are performing like playoff level QBs or not and may understand the decision if they aren't. They were alll told that ND is striving to contend for championships and no one player is above that goal. I actually think that we've taken a lot more shots down field this season than any I can remember since Kizer and Fuller were on the field together. It helps to have a QB like Hartman who has a decent arm and accuracy to do it of course. If we can keep Williams this class, who is highly regarded as a polished and very fast receiver, he'll be had to keep off the field and could really help stretch D's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYGoldenDomer 1,902 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 50 minutes ago, 4thand1 said: Bigger issue to me is whether Parker will have an offense that is considered appealing to QBs and WRs. I am confident with the group of 3 QBs for '24 unless a heisman candidate level transfer is interested. I would take the transfer only if I'm convinced that Parker will take more shots downfield. I love the ND running game and don't want it to go away but maybe more balance. I don't have the #s to back this up. Maybe it's more balanced than I realize. I would hope that '24 is the last year this has to be a topic. If ND continues to sign QBs like Minchey, Carr and Knight I roll with my recruited guys year in, year out. Also, communication with the rostered QBs is essential. Have a heart to heart with them and explain why you go to the portal if you feel you need to. Minchey and Angeli will know if they are performing like playoff level QBs or not and may understand the decision if they aren't. They were all told that ND is striving to contend for championships and no one player is above that goal. This. In my opinion this is key. I feel Freeman should without a doubt go into the portal for a QB for next season, no matter what. But in my opinion its to get a quality veteran backup type with a load of experience to help Angeli, Carr, and Minchey along next season. Make sure its communicated to them that this player will not be playing unless one of you leave and the other gets hurt, or if you both stay and you both get hurt. Next season is yours for the taking. Unless of course, someone that has Heisman type skills decides they want to come here. Even then, me personally, I would hate to disrupt the development process. But that is just someone you cannot pass on the opportunity to bring in. Especially with the 12 team CFP starting next season. Anything can happen when a team needs to in 3+ games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo 318 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 9 hours ago, jessemoore97 said: I actually think that we've taken a lot more shots down field this season than any I can remember since Kizer and Fuller were on the field together. It helps to have a QB like Hartman who has a decent arm and accuracy to do it of course. If we can keep Williams this class, who is highly regarded as a polished and very fast receiver, he'll be had to keep off the field and could really help stretch D's. Yeah for sure with Hartman we’re seeing more deep balls, especially compared to Pyne last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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