First - it is embarrassing that he was recruited to be a QB here. How devoid of football intelligence, and how desperate is this program to bring in a guy like this and tout him as top/exciting QB arm?  And, the fanboys just ate it up. 

Second - How can you watch him throw - with his noodle arm and hilarious shovel pass/shot put delivery - and be like, yep that guy is going to be something special here at ND.

He is so awful, he would have a difficult timing being QB1 on pretty much any MAC team.

I have read a lot of homer posts on here, how TB will be the QB1 next year, etc etc. They will win 3-5 games next year if this noodle-arm gets the call to start.

Ehhhh. 

 

He is young, hasnt played a ton of football, was always going to be a bit of a project. Pretty harsh and honestly, unreasonable take. 

So....TB doesn't have an arm like Milton (good lord can that kid spin it) but compared to basically every QB ND has had since TR he has a howitzer. He has some funny looking throws because he makes some mechanically unsound throws (very common for a kid with his skillset....and the fact that he just hasn't played much since he was a Jr in high school).

I can't say that he is 100% going to be a star, but he has all the tools to be a solid thrower and coupled with his running ability he could be very special.

The simple truth is that TB lacks experience and has been asked to play in pretty bad situations (no line, no WRs, or running game to start the year ND then no WRs and no Mayer in the bowl).

Just now, NDLincPark said:

First - it is embarrassing that he was recruited to be a QB here. How devoid of football intelligence, and how desperate is this program to bring in a guy like this and tout him as top/exciting QB arm?  And, the fanboys just ate it up. 

Second - How can you watch him throw - with his noodle arm and hilarious shovel pass/shot put delivery - and be like, yep that guy is going to be something special here at ND.

He is so awful, he would have a difficult timing being QB1 on pretty much any MAC team.

I have read a lot of homer posts on here, how TB will be the QB1 next year, etc etc. They will win 3-5 games next year if this noodle-arm gets the call to start.

In an Era of Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes etc, The QB is expected to be a playmaker both in the run game and pass game. Buchner had 300+ total yards yesterday.

If you want a mobile playmaker you typically give up some with the throwing and throwing mechanics see Tim Tebow.

We will have alot of high scoring games with that high tempo vs high tempo offense configuration.

72 for SC vs 80 plays for ND. I think Hartman would run the Buchner wide open offense concept because I believe he is mobile too. Hartman is just over 6 foot so there is always a tradeoff.

An interesting take, for sure.

I have always been in the camp of, if a QB consistently wins, I don't care about his height or strength of arm or throwing motion.  Some QB's are tall but can't throw accurately, some have howitzer arms but can't throw accurately, and some QB's have all the physical attributes but can't figure out who to throw to or what the defense is doing.

Some QB's don't have the measurables, but they just win.  That's the guy I want as ND's QB.  Every year.

Is TB that guy?  Who knows?  Not enough collegiate game experience to tell.  Yesterday was really the first time we've seen him play meaningfully other than the Ohio State game.  He showed some good and some bad.  Not surprising for a guy who hasn't been on the field for games much at all in 3 years.  He did win, though, and that matters a lot.  At least to me.

You can’t compare Tyler Buchner to Tom Brady…. Nice try.  Or, at least that’s how it reads…because Buchner doesn’t have a noodle arm - that was Rees…  Buchner fired the ball off his back foot multiple times.

Buchner has a cannon no doubt, but doesn’t know how to use it and gave up two pick-6s.  That will kill us in a real game.  He’s gotta figure this $hit out…

Edited December 31, 20221 yr by irishwavend

I am pretty sure he can be at least pretty good.  To be really good he's going to need to be more accurate and make better decisions.  The lack of prior game experience explains the decision making but I'm concerned the accuracy might not improve.  

Seemingly the team isn't beholden to Buchner being their starter with a transfer coming in and Minchey/Carr lined up down the road.  Buchner has to earn it.  

2 hours ago, NDLincPark said:

First - it is embarrassing that he was recruited to be a QB here. How devoid of football intelligence, and how desperate is this program to bring in a guy like this and tout him as top/exciting QB arm?  And, the fanboys just ate it up. 

Second - How can you watch him throw - with his noodle arm and hilarious shovel pass/shot put delivery - and be like, yep that guy is going to be something special here at ND.

He is so awful, he would have a difficult timing being QB1 on pretty much any MAC team.

I have read a lot of homer posts on here, how TB will be the QB1 next year, etc etc. They will win 3-5 games next year if this noodle-arm gets the call to start.

This is a harsh post... We are talking about a guy in his third start who hadn't played in over three months due to a serious shoulder injury. 

Embarrassing he was recruited to be a QB here? Only one team put up more points against South Carolina (Georgia with 48). The offence accounted for 558 total yards and Tyler accounted for 5 touchdowns for ND. No MAC QB is putting up that showing vs South Carolina. Sure, they had guys out, but so did we. That's a wash. 

Noodle arm? Not quite. His throwing mechanics and footwork are atrocious, if he can work on that he has a chance. How many DIV 1 Qbs make that throw to Lenzy? That was a 50 yard dot, with a man in his face while fading back in the pocket. 

Besides the accuracy and throwing/footwork mechanics, he also doesn't have a great feel for the pocket and can be reckless with the football. I think he needs to learn under Hartman, but anyone who thinks he is the saviour needs to take off the rose coloured glasses. To be clear, I called for Pyne all offseason because I knew Buchner would struggle if teams forced him to throw from the pocket. 

He can be lethal with the zone read and definitely has some potential. Can Rees develop him? Likely not. The difference between Pyne and Buchner is Buch likely contributes to a few turnovers versus a Syracuse or Clemson and we lose those games. Pyne is not bringing ND back in that game, but he likely isn't tossing three picks.

There was a big difference from the Buchner we saw vs Marshall to the South Carolina game. I saw a little more composure and less of the Hendrix-esque awkwardness in his movements. At the very least, he showed he might be able to improve enough to win the job in 2024. 

2 hours ago, AnTostal said:

An interesting take, for sure.

I have always been in the camp of, if a QB consistently wins, I don't care about his height or strength of arm or throwing motion.  Some QB's are tall but can't throw accurately, some have howitzer arms but can't throw accurately, and some QB's have all the physical attributes but can't figure out who to throw to or what the defense is doing.

Some QB's don't have the measurables, but they just win.  That's the guy I want as ND's QB.  Every year.

Is TB that guy?  Who knows?  Not enough collegiate game experience to tell.  Yesterday was really the first time we've seen him play meaningfully other than the Ohio State game.  He showed some good and some bad.  Not surprising for a guy who hasn't been on the field for games much at all in 3 years.  He did win, though, and that matters a lot.  At least to me.

Ian Book baby!!!!

LMAO you’ve been radio silent since September 12, and this is what you’ve come up with?  
 

Talk about the glass is half empty….

3 hours ago, NDLincPark said:

First - it is embarrassing that he was recruited to be a QB here. How devoid of football intelligence, and how desperate is this program to bring in a guy like this and tout him as top/exciting QB arm?  And, the fanboys just ate it up. 

Second - How can you watch him throw - with his noodle arm and hilarious shovel pass/shot put delivery - and be like, yep that guy is going to be something special here at ND.

He is so awful, he would have a difficult timing being QB1 on pretty much any MAC team.

I have read a lot of homer posts on here, how TB will be the QB1 next year, etc etc. They will win 3-5 games next year if this noodle-arm gets the call to start.

Embarrassing that he was recruited? He was a top 10ish QB with offers from Bama, UGA, USC, Michigan, OR, etc.. 

Yes, a bit of project (mechanics), but not an embarrassment (recruiting) at all. 

Never been a huge fan of him (due to mechanics), but your take is uber-hate lol... 

this thread is trash...nice try...

2 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

This is a harsh post... We are talking about a guy in his third start who hadn't played in over three months due to a serious shoulder injury. 

Embarrassing he was recruited to be a QB here? Only one team put up more points against South Carolina (Georgia with 48). The offence accounted for 558 total yards and Tyler accounted for 5 touchdowns for ND. No MAC QB is putting up that showing vs South Carolina. Sure, they had guys out, but so did we. That's a wash. 

Noodle arm? Not quite. His throwing mechanics and footwork are atrocious, if he can work on that he has a chance. How many DIV 1 Qbs make that throw to Lenzy? That was a 50 yard dot, with a man in his face while fading back in the pocket. 

Besides the accuracy and throwing/footwork mechanics, he also doesn't have a great feel for the pocket and can be reckless with the football. I think he needs to learn under Hartman, but anyone who thinks he is the saviour needs to take off the rose coloured glasses. To be clear, I called for Pyne all offseason because I knew Buchner would struggle if teams forced him to throw from the pocket. 

He can be lethal with the zone read and definitely has some potential. Can Rees develop him? Likely not. The difference between Pyne and Buchner is Buch likely contributes to a few turnovers versus a Syracuse or Clemson and we lose those games. Pyne is not bringing ND back in that game, but he likely isn't tossing three picks.

There was a big difference from the Buchner we saw vs Marshall to the South Carolina game. I saw a little more composure and less of the Hendrix-esque awkwardness in his movements. At the very least, he showed he might be able to improve enough to win the job in 2024. 

I agree it's harsh and filled with uber hate lol.. 

But I think some harsh is deserved. He's been in the system for 2 years, and had package time last year. Like I posted earlier in another threads.... Some great moments, but also some atrocious moments. I agree his arm strength is fine. But decision making, progressions, and D reading is lacking. And mechanics is still very rough. That's a lot to overcome in the offseason. Still, better this game, vs early year. Perhaps a lot of hard work can help. You never know. 

I wouldn't compare ND's O vs SC's game vs UGA though.

In short, half of SC's starting D was gone. SC was without 3 starting DLs, and 2 starting CBs. 

 

7 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

Ian Book baby!!!!

Stetson Bennett. 

Buchner tossing a pick 6 . 

9 minutes ago, NDLincPark said:

Buchner tossing a pick 6 . 

Where's the one in which he hits Evans for the game-winning TD?  

47 minutes ago, brian_nd88 said:

Where's the one in which he hits Evans for the game-winning TD?  

Right here. 

 

1 hour ago, brian_nd88 said:

Where's the one in which he hits Evans for the game-winning TD?  

exactly

17 hours ago, NDLincPark said:

Buchner tossing a pick 6 . 

I still don’t agree with the overall premise of the thread, but this is pretty funny. 

2 hours ago, AnTostal said:

I still don’t agree with the overall premise of the thread, but this is pretty funny. 

While OP was overly critical, ND no doubt needs better QB play than what Buchner has provided in his short time. Riley, Day, Meyer,  etc.. seem to have stud after stud and ND hasn’t had a true Heisman contender at QB since Quinn and even then…

None of the elite QBs struggle with simple things like footwork, throwing mechanics, ball security, pocket presence and accuracy. Buchner is nearly horrific in all of those and at this stage, I’m not sure it’s entirely fixable. Maybe I’d be more confident if Riley was coaching him, but he isn’t. 

Sam Hartman is ND’s only hope for a playoff run next year.