Here is your answer. He isn't a better option than Buchner, not at all. Not even close.

Remember this the next time you think the backup (who lost a competition) is the better option.

I think we have all been lied to as to the strength of our recruiting. I don’t understand why we aren’t getting the QBs that always seem to make it to a MAC school and become stars

I blame the fact that they always recruit short qbs who can see over the line. It’s always backyard football. The only time it wasn’t was with Kizer. And he was a three star who went in the second round. That tells you something. 
 

I don’t know if Pyne is better than Buch but I still think he can succeed here.

1 hour ago, NDhoosier said:

Here is your answer. He isn't a better option than Buchner, not at all. Not even close.

Remember this the next time you think the backup (who lost a competition) is the better option.

Anyone who thought the backup would be better is just silly.  There's a reason why he wasn't starting.   Buchner wasn't good for two weeks, it's going to be a long season. 

1 hour ago, Green Goblin said:

I don’t know if Pyne is better than Buch but I still think he can succeed here.

I think Pyne can win games (he got one today) but he cant take us over the hump like Buchner's potential can. Buchner still has a lot to prove himself though.

ND will need to take a transfer of Carr doesn’t reclassify. The staff didn’t even trust Pyne to throw the ball more than 5 yards down the field. How this guy got a scholarship to play QB here is beyond my comprehension. 
 

Do I still think he gives us a better shot than Buchner? Absolutely. His ability to throw from the pocket is still leaps and bounds ahead of Buchner. 
 

The real issue with this team is the receiving corps. Lenzy is only good for end arounds, Thomas is invisible and incapable of creating separation, Styles is a shell of himself from last year and they don’t trust Merriweather for whatever reason. 

7 minutes ago, ndomer4 said:

Do I still think he gives us a better shot than Buchner? Absolutely. His ability to throw from the pocket is still leaps and bounds ahead of Buchner.

That is just objectively not true.

The truth is we do not have a qb  on the roster that is a game breaker. Buchner is still my choice by country mile.

14 minutes ago, NDhoosier said:

That is just objectively not true.

What games have you been watching? The only thing Buchner excels at is running with the football. 

I mean, it was an ugly win but it was a win.  I think had that been a loss, Pyne didn't play good enough to secure the start next week.  I would have loved to see Angeli start next week.  But today Pyne did just enough to get the win.  He should start next week.

Had zero confidence in Buchner and/or Pyne pre-season. 

Simply lacking talent. 

Not saying ..... that they can't improve, but the ceiling isn't higher than average. 

They are both bad. But we knew that last week.

I just hope they keep giving Angeli those practice reps lol

Pyne had 5 series of Shane Falko in him and he settled in ok.

this is a 7-5 team with Pyne and these WRs

 

with

Buchner this is a 2-10 team.

Buchner is an option QB with below average elusiveness and average 40 time

Pyne might not be a better QB when you go down the attribute column as you would in a video game but when you align with the scheme elements this team in is comfortable with IE mixing in power and inside zone with split zone passing looks Pyne is it.. 

If you’re trying to run a spread zone read scheme in the sun belt or FCS school than Buchner might be your guy.

im not trying to be facetious or troll for any other effect that to communicate my position that Buchner is not a big time power 5 QB at any school, and Pyne could be a serviceable QB at many other power 5 programs albeit not an ideal situation. 
 

the best thing for this team is that Buchner got injured and Tommy doesn’t have to spend his first year as a stand alone OC polishing Brian Kellys Turd.

TR will need to earn his keep but I think he’s up for the challenge and will prove himself a worthy LV going forward as he develops and recruits better than BK’s limitations. 

On 9/17/2022 at 2:31 PM, NDhoosier said:

Here is your answer. He isn't a better option than Buchner, not at all. Not even close.

Remember this the next time you think the backup (who lost a competition) is the better option.

Dude honestly gonna flame you here. Pyne threw 2 touchdowns against a better roster than Buchner did against Marshall then Ohio State after overcoming some clear nervous issues as a backup and you got the nerve to proclaim Buchner is the better QB?!?

 

GTFO this take is bush league at best. 

I thought Pyne acquitted himself well but ND needs a solid blue chip QB. Dont be a BK do the best with what you have, go and get the guy.

 

Looking forward to Carr.

The WR's are what concern me more. I was so high on Lenzy for the season for a breakout but that false start and missed opportunities has me bummed. 

On 9/19/2022 at 6:58 AM, Synoptico said:

The WR's are what concern me more. I was so high on Lenzy for the season for a breakout but that false start and missed opportunities has me bummed. 

Lenzy really has been a huge disappointment, especially this season.  

I was thinking about this after the last three games.  My view is Buchner was highly rated, but really just based on measurables - speed, arm strength, height, and not actual football ability.  Our coaching staff made a mistake believing that this would translate into a capable, efficient QB.  It clearly didn't.  

What you saw last weekend, was once you had a QB in there, that actually knew what it is to be a QB, the team performed much better.  Pyne is so much better as a QB than Buchner and you saw it on display in the 2nd half last Saturday.  

But I blame the coaches.  Just stunningly poor evaluation and expectations. 

Would we have won the first to games with Pyne?  Maybe -- probably not.  But we would have been in a much better situation than we are now.

5 hours ago, nd1989 said:

I was thinking about this after the last three games.  My view is Buchner was highly rated, but really just based on measurables - speed, arm strength, height, and not actual football ability.  Our coaching staff made a mistake believing that this would translate into a capable, efficient QB.  It clearly didn't.  

What you saw last weekend, was once you had a QB in there, that actually knew what it is to be a QB, the team performed much better.  Pyne is so much better as a QB than Buchner and you saw it on display in the 2nd half last Saturday.  

But I blame the coaches.  Just stunningly poor evaluation and expectations. 

Would we have won the first to games with Pyne?  Maybe -- probably not.  But we would have been in a much better situation than we are now.

I guess I’m not sure what you saw last weekend that made you a Pyne believer. We are in a horrible position at QB. No one has proven that can throw over 10 yards consistently.

we desperately need a good grad transfer this offseason and hope Carr can still reclassify and learn for a year.

we lose a lot of talent after this year, that’s not gonna help.