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I wanted a prospective on BK's year 1 vs Freeman's year 1, so I will be updating freeman's wikipedia screenshot all year

 

Commonalities

  • Slow Start
  • QB Injury
  • Bad Losses 

2010

Date
Time
Opponent
Site
TV
Result
Attendance
September 4
3:30 p.m.
NBC
W
23–12
80,795
September 11
3:30 p.m.
Notre Dame Stadium · South Bend, IN (rivalry)
NBC
L
24–28
80,795
September 18
8:00 p.m.
ABC
L
31–34 OT
78,411
September 25
3:30 p.m.
No. 16 Stanford
Notre Dame Stadium · South Bend, IN (Legends Trophy)
NBC
L
14–37
80,795
October 2
8:00 p.m.
ABC
W
31–13
44,500
October 9
3:30 p.m.
Notre Dame Stadium · South Bend, IN (rivalry)
NBC
W
23–17
80,795
October 16
2:30 p.m.
Notre Dame Stadium · South Bend, IN
NBC
W
44–20
80,795
October 23
12:00 p.m.
vs. Navy
CBS
L
17–35
75,614
October 30
2:30 p.m.
Notre Dame Stadium · South Bend, IN
NBC
L
27–28
80,795
November 13
2:30 p.m.
No. 15 Utah
Notre Dame Stadium · South Bend, IN
NBC
W
28–3
80,795
November 20
7:00 p.m.
vs. Army
NBC
W
27–3
54,251
November 27
8:00 p.m.
at USC
ABC
W
20–16
85,417
December 31
2:00 p.m.
CBS
W
33–17
54,021
Rankings from AP Poll released prior to the game · All times are in Eastern time

 

2022

 

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comment_754270
2 minutes ago, BTC4 said:

Hello All,

First time poster, long time lurker. I want to give a big shout out to Big for his recruiting info and Faith for all his posts of information within the program. I have come here for years to get information and hear what other fans think, but lately it has been difficult to read. Many have seem to left and it has become very negative in regards to the program and Marcus Freeman. I by no means think Coach Freeman has done a good job so far, but what did you expect? At this time last year many were questioning him as a replacement for Clark Lea and the defense steadily improved, then he was hired as the Head Coach. He was a relatively inexperienced coordinator last year considering his coaching history. Now he is an inexperienced head coach, facts are facts. Coaching is an art, rarely do you step into a new job and experience no rough patches. I believe he was hired, because people felt he could take Notre Dame to the next level, let’s face it Kelly went as far as he could go. Considering what Kelly left over for Freeman, it makes more sense each day why he left (excluding all the money).

This brings me to my post, I have read how much better the program is now than when Kelly started in 2010 I will agree that the “program” in general is much better (stability, prestige, day to day operations, etc), but when you look at the actual talent on he field I have to respectfully disagree. Kelly 2.0 has been great at winning on the field, but let’s not be naive lots of those games could have gone the other way. They have been great lately at winning close games and dominating at home. They made great in game adjustments and the team did all the little things. Kelly has coached for over 30 years and it took him falling flat on his face to change and become this. I would argue they were never dominant whatsoever. They grinded out games and won, especially the last few years. So all the sudden Coach Freeman takes over and now they are supposed to run people off the field? Literally the entire coaching staff has turned over. The coaches are still getting used to each other and the players. People forget Tommy Rees is young too and his security blanket John McNulty is not sitting next to him. They shouldn’t get a pass, but let’s have some perspective. Why did everyone think we are just going to start rolling teams? When Brian Kelly started we didn’t roll teams, we lost to Tulsa and started 1 and 3. They found something midway through the year and ended strong.

Here is the talent that Kelly was left for his first year - Darrin Walls (sr), Michael Floyd (jr), Gary Gray (sr), Armando Allen (sr), Kyle Rudolph (jr), Robert Blanton (jr), Harrison Smith (sr), etc etc. Crist was the qb and although he underachieved he was highly regarded and a more promising prospect, than what we have now. When you go look at that team most of its best players were upperclassman and they had studs in the sophomore class (Chris Watt, Tyler Eifert, Cierre Wood, and Manti Teo). My point that team although not as deep as the team today based on the recruiting rankings, the high end talent was better and the playmakers are better. This team is the least talented team Notre Dame has had in years, the holes are unbelievable (which Kelly allowed to happen over the course of years). We have good college player, very few upperclassman are difference makers or destined for the nfl. Can you blame Freeman for not realizing this sooner and addressing this sure. But Freeman also has way more pressure now than Kelly ever had his first season. He is coaching tight and the team is playing tight, everyone needs to calm down and keep things in perspective. Freeman was hired to take Notre Dame to the next level, no one thought it would happen this year and if you did that is your own reality. Freeman might never be that guy, but 4 games into Kelly’s tenure everyone wanted to fire him too, with arguably a much better hand of cards he was playing with on the field.

 

 

 

WELCOME GREAT POST!

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comment_754307
10 minutes ago, Our father said:

Freeman has more talent than 2010.

 

I think @BTC4 Nailed it when they said, "My point that team although not as deep as the team today based on the recruiting rankings, the high end talent was better and the playmakers are better."

So while today's depth is better. There were many players recruited by Weis that would make the NFL on that team. Welcome to DomerDomain @Our father!

comment_754419
On 9/18/2022 at 5:11 PM, Our father said:

Freeman has more talent than 2010.

 

How many positions this year have underclassmen who are better athletes than the upperclassmen who are starting?

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comment_761066
On 9/18/2022 at 5:31 PM, FaithInIrishForever said:

There were many players recruited by Weis that would make the NFL on that team. Welcome to DomerDomain @Our father!

I dunno. Much of this is subjective and I don't see an easy way to pull data, but OP's comment rattled off about 10 names. Compare that to this list...
https://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/active-nfl-players-by-college/notre-dame/91487

And it's easy to get to 15 names of players that are making a definite impact in the NFL. And, that doesn't even account for the fact that half of the names OP listed (Floyd, Watt, T'eo, Walls and Allen) all passing through the NFL like a bad taco. 

It's legitimate to say that Weis left better players at WR. Beyond that? 🤷‍♂️
Take away WR (and possibly QB) and I'd easily prefer every other position group in '22 to '12.

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