Buchner is a mid/tier Purdue, Indiana, or Northwestern type of QB.  He'd be great for a program in the 50-100 rankings, for sure. 

Avg Arm, mobile, overall just boring without upside.  Certainly not a QB you can compete for anything meaningful with (Just like Coan, Book, etc).

Next year will be just another wasted season.  They will win one of the Clemson/BYU/UNC games, get hammered by OSU,  and win 8 vs the other dogs on their schedule. 

Same old Same old.  Notre Dame will never be a top tier program until they can recruit elite QBs to get them to the next level. 

Jack Miller would have been an instant upgrade.  Oh well. 

It’s almost like the QB coach isn’t good at his job.

16 minutes ago, ELDER06 said:

It’s almost like the QB coach isn’t good at his job.

Matt LaFleur?

 

yeah he’s riding Aaron Rodgers to another NFC championship appearance. 
 

He’s the Tom Brady of NFL head coaches.

Tommy Rees, the guy who’s been QB coach since 2017. Not the guy who was at ND for 1 year.

2 hours ago, NDLincPark said:

Buchner is a mid/tier Purdue, Indiana, or Northwestern type of QB.  He'd be great for a program in the 50-100 ra

I stopped reading after this comment. Buchner was an elite QB coming out of HS and what has he shown you that he is mid-tier. You are just an Elder06 who is hating on Buchner with no basis for your evaluation.

47 minutes ago, NDhoosier said:

I stopped reading after this comment. Buchner was an elite QB coming out of HS and what has he shown you that he is mid-tier. You are just an Elder06 who is hating on Buchner with no basis for your evaluation.

I dont think Buchner is that low tier. I do worry Rees isn’t good enough to help him reach his potential. I don’t see why that’s an unfair criticism.

Another illegitimate response. 

2 minutes ago, ELDER06 said:

I dont think Buchner is that low tier. I do worry Rees isn’t good enough to help him reach his potential. I don’t see why that’s an unfair criticism.

I actually agree somewhat in that I’ve seen nothing to make me think Rees knows what to do with a QB who isn’t a game manager.

TBH, I wouldn’t be shocked if Pyne starts next season at QB. He won’t be the more talented QB, or even the best option, but I think he’s the one with the “traits” that make Rees more comfortable.

Hope I’m wrong.

35 minutes ago, ColinKSU said:

I actually agree somewhat in that I’ve seen nothing to make me think Rees knows what to do with a QB who isn’t a game manager.

TBH, I wouldn’t be shocked if Pyne starts next season at QB. He won’t be the more talented QB, or even the best option, but I think he’s the one with the “traits” that make Rees more comfortable.

Hope I’m wrong.

I think you're mis-characterizing your point so you can simultaneously take a stab at Tommy.

We saw what a converted read option from pro style offense gets you in 2007 when Demetrius Jones tries to run read option by a staff who went to some read option clinics the year prior.. The masters of the read option have spent years if not half of a lifetime tweaking that system. Was outright ludicrous Weis thought he could be successful with it. 

Instead Evan Sharpley had to come in and bridge the gap and try to hold the team together.

My point is that it's not an indictment of Tommy Rees that he doesn't know the ins and outs of the spread option enough to adopt the system as his primary scheme. His system is more of a traditional play calling style, and while he knows enough to mix it in you really have to be a disciple of that system if you're going to run it every play as teams adjust alignments and coverages you have to be able to answer that. 

You may not like TR or think he's a shit coach, but the way you tried to prove that point I think is way off base. I'm not going to judge Eric Crouch by his ability to run the air raid. 

Whether or not he can mold Buchner is an unfair measuring stick/barometer of his success/ability as an OC. IMO

Edited January 2, 20222 yr by JTennant

1 hour ago, ColinKSU said:

I actually agree somewhat in that I’ve seen nothing to make me think Rees knows what to do with a QB who isn’t a game manager.

TBH, I wouldn’t be shocked if Pyne starts next season at QB. He won’t be the more talented QB, or even the best option, but I think he’s the one with the “traits” that make Rees more comfortable.

Hope I’m wrong.

I’m calling it now. 
Pyne starts the season at QB. 
Buchner enters the portal after game three. 

14 minutes ago, AnTostal said:

I’m calling it now. 
Pyne starts the season at QB. 
Buchner enters the portal after game three. 

I honestly don’t think Buchner is guaranteed to start like everyone else does.
 

I think he should be the starter, because he has the tools to elevate the offense. But when’s the last time Notre Dame under Kelly and now Rees went with high ceiling over high floor, you know?

Edited January 2, 20222 yr by ColinKSU

I was actually surprised how well Pyne played, and basically won a game for us.  I'm also surprised he didn't play again.  I have no idea what was going on there, but I loved his natural ability.  He seemed to feel the pressure better than the other QBs....

I agree.  He could easily be the starter next year, Game 1.

I wore my #10 jersey this season and was shocked Pyne never got in again 

On 1/2/2022 at 1:08 PM, NDLincPark said:

Buchner is a mid/tier Purdue, Indiana, or Northwestern type of QB.  He'd be great for a program in the 50-100 rankings, for sure. 

Avg Arm, mobile, overall just boring without upside.  Certainly not a QB you can compete for anything meaningful with (Just like Coan, Book, etc).

Next year will be just another wasted season.  They will win one of the Clemson/BYU/UNC games, get hammered by OSU,  and win 8 vs the other dogs on their schedule. 

Same old Same old.  Notre Dame will never be a top tier program until they can recruit elite QBs to get them to the next level. 

Jack Miller would have been an instant upgrade.  Oh well. 

 

Lol - You poor irish fanboys still loving Tyler Buchner?  He wouldn't even start at Marshall 

Stop wasting years on miserable, zero upside Qbs

On 1/2/2022 at 1:38 PM, NDhoosier said:

I stopped reading after this comment. Buchner was an elite QB coming out of HS and what has he shown you that he is mid-tier. You are just an Elder06 who is hating on Buchner with no basis for your evaluation.

Maybe he's a better evaluator of talent than given credit for?

I’ve been telling everyone Buchner is not the guy and that Pyne gives this team the best chance to win. It might be time to give Angelli a chance however. 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, ndomer4 said:

I’ve been telling everyone Buchner is not the guy and that Pyne gives this team the best chance to win. It might be time to give Angelli a chance however. 
 

 

 

Neither Pyne or Buchner are the solution.

If Angelli cannot play you now have a roster devoid of a starting calibre QB. Which is just unacceptable roster management.

18 minutes ago, Soko said:

Neither Pyne or Buchner are the solution.

If Angelli cannot play you now have a roster devoid of a starting calibre QB. Which is just unacceptable roster management.

And what's been the rub for the past 12 years?  Our QBs got worse or stagnated in the program.  There were no players under BK who actually got better and elevated their game while they were here.  There were some good individual seasons here and there, usually their first season as a starter with a parred down playbook, strong line and RB, and good D.  However even in those years, against a decent DC or elite team, the offense and by virtue the QB struggled. 

Book for being a three year starter didn't appear to be any better as a QB from beginning to the end.  He didn't get noticably better as a passer as he aged.  Our staff doesn't seem to be able to teach a QB, or perhaps they don't know what type of QB they want.  Maybe they aren't that great of evaluators of talent.  I still say the scheme/system is rotten and something totally different should be brought in.  Divorce ourselves entirely from the BK offensive shitfest and its disciples.

On 1/2/2022 at 3:38 PM, NDhoosier said:

I stopped reading after this comment. Buchner was an elite QB coming out of HS and what has he shown you that he is mid-tier. You are just an Elder06 who is hating on Buchner with no basis for your evaluation.

This is so good.  

Lol - Buchner couldnt even beat out 3 star, unwanted, wisco benched jack coan last year and the fans are shocked that he sucks

Edited September 11, 20222 yr by NDLincPark

Your point still does not stand. If you think this loss is on Buchner, then you really are a worse evaluator than I originally thought.

But it is interesting to see you with only 12 posts over a span almost a year and all of them are negative and only showing up after a loss...