As always, please wait till the game concludes

1, Pyne from here makes most sense. You brought in Coan to try to make the playoffs. Line wasn't good enough 

2. lost turnover battle

3. lost Big play battle

4. Wasted good defense in the first half by not moving the ball on offense.

5, Did everything possible to lose a game

6. 3 turnovers 10 points 1 missed kick= 11 point margin

7. Rees needs to be on notice. Very few in game adjustments

 

When 2 highly ranked teams meet on the field turnovers and special teams play go a long way in determining the winner of the game.

Today ND lost both and the game. Now the Irish can play for a decent bowl game and straighten out their QB and O line issues.

 

1. OL sucked
   • RBs AVG under 4.0
   • Both INTs were a result of pressure. Open WRs right behind the DB for easy TDs if the QBs weren't throwing off back foots going backwards
   • Penalties again, I lost count
   • Need to look seriously at OL coaches in the off season. Is Harry still interested lol
2. We have no QB
   • Coan is not an answer with a bad OL. Likely decent with a good OL
   • Pyne was 40% and has arm deficiencies. Yes he's more mobile, but threw several bad passes and could have been picked off a couple times just being aggressive. 
   • Buchner is clearly not ready
3. D is improving, but still susceptible to big plays
4. The muff felt like it killed the game
5. Perhaps CBo would have been better today. He's not as fast, but he gets tough yards between the Ts
6. Cinci's DBs are legit. They should win out and should be in the conversation to crash the party
7. It's going like this all year. I don't see our OL getting better.

11 minutes ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

1, Pyne from here makes most sense. You brought in Coan to try to make the playoffs. Line wasn't good enough 

2. lost turnover battle

3. lost Big play battle

4. Wasted good defense in the first half by not moving the ball on offense.

5, Did everything possible to lose a game

6. 3 turnovers 10 points 1 missed kick= 11 point margin

7. Rees needs to be on notice. Very few in game adjustments

 

Rees and Quinn need to be put on notice. 

1.  Kelly is too stubborn to give his team the best chance to win at QB.

2.  By the time Pyne got in, it was too late and Cinci knew what plays were coming.

3.  I used to be surprised and devastated when we lost, but now I’m just moderately disappointed.  I think they finally broke my hope.

1 minute ago, TexasDomer said:

1.  Kelly is too stubborn to give his team the best chance to win at QB.

2.  By the time Pyne got in, it was too late and Cinci knew what plays were coming.

3.  I used to be surprised and devastated when we lost, but now I’m just moderately disappointed.  I think they finally broke my hope.

Come on man. If you think Pyne looked good, not sure what to tell you. Cinci even stopped blitzing as much when he was in. He was 40%, and several of his passes were lucky not to get INT'd. He's more mobile, that's it. 

1.) Bertrand showed up on tape in the worst way

2.) Why is coach so bone-headed we all knew Pyne should have been the starter - Just like Texas in Austin. As soon as I heard him say that Coan is getting the start because he hasn't done anything to lose his job, I was like here we go..

3.) Ridder is a talent. Hes probably not a 1st round QB but he delivered lots of accurate balls

4.) Some crucial drops and missed throws by the offense did them in.

5.) This team will never be great unless Brian Kelly completely relinquishes control of the offense. I don't think this is Tommy Rees fault, but I wouldn't mind seeing a high profile OC who can run his own operation without Brian Kelly putting his finger prints on it. 

 

A smart & open minded coaching staff with limited skill at the QB position combined with All-American quality backs 4* OL and great TEs with plenty of athleticism outside might opt for more of a traditional style offense (see Iowa) and lean on the defense and play some ball control to protect your 50% completion passers instead of running a spread/gun offense. 

I firmly believe their OL woes stem from the scheme that was decided on before the season started moreso than the coaching and talent level. 

10 minutes ago, cali_domer said:

Rees and Quinn need to be put on notice. 

Just wish I really thought either would be replaced. I agree 100 percent though

5 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Come on man. If you think Pyne looked good, not sure what to tell you. Cinci even stopped blitzing as much when he was in. He was 40%, and several of his passes were lucky not to get INT'd. He's more mobile, that's it. 

Bang the 40% drum all you want but Austin and Davis both dropped catchable balls and a few would of been huge to keep drives alive. Drew isn't great or experienced but he was the best of the three out there today and it wasn't close with this oline. 

and one more thing...

The whole multiple QB thingy wreaks of BK... 

I understand none look like an answer, but pretty clear Buchner is not a "rotational series" answer. Maybe a situational play type of guy, but not a series... at least not with this OL.

I think you look seriously about Keeping Buchner under the 4 game eligibility Limit now. Played in Toledo Purdue and Cincy. Can play n 1 more with that rule.

 i had flashbacks to those early days of the QB shuffle,,,,,i remember one HORRIBLE USC game where 3 QBs played,,,,Kelly not really sure what to do.  Pyne seems to be the only real choice COAN is just so average we look like wisconsin when hes playing ,,,,but knowing kelly i expect him to go back to Coan....

The DROP by Austin was the backbreaker....he has potential...he looks the part...he DOES NOT make plays enough.

Defense fell victim to the big plays again....

One thing is clear...this will NOt be our only loss....team has many issues not just OLINE albeit that is likely the worse....

Try again next week is all we can do....will it be pyne or coan....i think we all know what kelly will do.

aloha

8 minutes ago, Irish_Thunder said:

Bang the 40% drum all you want but Austin and Davis both dropped catchable balls and a few would of been huge to keep drives alive. Drew isn't great or experienced but he was the best of the three out there today and it wasn't close with this oline. 

OK, give him those two catches. That's 50%..... But that doesn't take away his awful passes. And you think Coan hasn't had drops?

Like I've said several times. He's the best option with a shit OL. But he's not good. He's just mobile.

6 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

OK, give him those two catches. That's 50%..... But that doesn't take away his awful passes. And you think Coan hasn't had drops?

Like I've said several times. He's the best option with a shit OL. But he's not good. He's just mobile.

I don’t think anyone thinks Pyne is winning the heisman or a NFL talent but he is the beat option of the 3 with the Oline we have. 

I no longer get pissy when we lose. I’m actually super even keeled right now. ?

It’s what years of Kelly and mediocrity will do. Not to mention an administration that does not care about returning ND to its former football glory. The only reason we make the playoffs and the BcS championship is because we have been playing the weekday schedules in ND history.

9 minutes ago, ndfanatic78 said:

I don’t think anyone thinks Pyne is winning the heisman or a NFL talent but he is the beat option of the 3 with the Oline we have. 

I'm not sure to be honest. I don't care much for any of the options. Coan looked great early until the INT. Bad after. Pyne flashed a few times, but bad others. He could have easily been picked off a couple of times including the TD which took a major adjustment from Lenzy who was lucky the DB wasn't looking lol.

I don't see the O going anywhere with either vs good Ds. We've played three good DLs in a row. If we're playing good DLs, I'd probably start Pyne. If the DL is average, I'm likely going to Coan. Without a running game, which we don't have anyway with our OL, doesn't make a ton of difference.

Can Pyne get better, maybe? Can the OL get better which makes Coan more attractive, maybe?

Excellent points by all. 
 

1.  with Coan it does feel like a Wisky offense. It’s tough sledding. If we had a great line Coan would be better. But that shouldn’t define a qb on being a player. 
He can NOT make that throw in the red zone. Need points against top 10 competition. At this point, he’s busted. He’s too erratic. No point in starting him anymore because he’ll be gone next year regardless. But BK wants wins and likes experience. He’ll get more starts. 
 

2.  Austin is very fragile. Has to make that play. Can’t blame one play on the loss. But that did hurt. Also, ALL the receivers seem to take turns on who wants to have the bad game. Davis needed to come through on some of those plays too. 
 

3.  I don’t think the o-line played horrible. Even the statue Coan didn’t get sacked like he did the previous games. He’ll, we had more running yards or close to it then we did the previous games.  I just think they are to inexperienced at this point. So it’s do whatever you can to win with these guys and get experience. 
 

4.  Buchner is not ready obviously. He does scare me because I thought he was going to be different than an rpo guy. Makes me even more pissed about Jurk at this point. Pyne is the only option. He is Book light. He’s going to keep us in games and he’ll help win some.  It be isn’t going to do much against great defenses. 
 

5. BK is going to have to guide this team to 10 wins. Which is very possible. The schedule has teams with a lot issues. Just like ND. But, ND still has that winning culture but this team is NOT as deep as some may think. Maybe with a Trevor Lawrence at the helm.  It they lack in a lot of areas. 
 

Rees is playcalling frustrated me today. Had a great run at the beginning of the game and then started running outside. We don’t feed off one another.  

Just to add, I’m surprised the defense is not getting criticism. That last TD was inexcusable in that situation. 

7 minutes ago, coltssb said:

 
 

4.  Buchner is not ready obviously. He does scare me because I thought he was going to be different than an rpo guy. Makes me even more pissed about Jurk at this point. Pyne is the only option. He is Book light. He’s going to keep us in games and he’ll help win some.  It be isn’t going to do much against great defenses. 
 

This. To those who all said we wouldn’t miss him and Book was our guy. Repped.