I will say it now, Coan will cost us a game if we don’t make this switch and I hope it’s not the Cincinnati game it costs us. We saw this movie in 2018, Wimbush almost cost us a few games but we made the switch before it was too late and the rest is history. 
 

With the way this team is currently constructed, Pyne gives us the best chance to win. He has a quicker release and is more decisive than Coan. He’s also much more athletic, has better pocket awareness and accuracy. Coan is a bad fit for this offence and the offence looked so much better with Pyne. There were even more running lanes because the threat of him running held the backers for just that split second. 
 

We don’t owe Coan anything, he’s a solid QB but you do realize Wisky chose Mertz over him. Yes we are 4-0 but we are 4-0 despite him. This team is very talented, however we could just as easily be 0-4 and our schedule hasn’t been murders row. 
 

Can anyone make a solid argument for Coan? I’m starting to question what the coaches are watching in practice? We’ve seen backups look better under Kelly before. There’s enough tape on Coan to know you can’t win a title with him. That’s the goal for Kelly isn’t it? In the small sample I saw today from Pyne, he showed more potential than Coan has ever flashed and it isn’t close. 
 

Really hope we don’t make this change before it’s too late because we know this line isn’t improving under Quinn and it is for that reason I think this change will be inevitable. 

19 minutes ago, ndomer4 said:

I will say it now, Coan will cost us a game if we don’t make this switch and I hope it’s not the Cincinnati game it costs us. We saw this movie in 2018, Wimbush almost cost us a few games but we made the switch before it was too late and the rest is history. 
 

With the way this team is currently constructed, Pyne gives us the best chance to win. He has a quicker release and is more decisive than Coan. He’s also much more athletic, has better pocket awareness and accuracy. Coan is a bad fit for this offence and the offence looked so much better with Pyne. There were even more running lanes because the threat of him running held the backers for just that split second. 
 

We don’t owe Coan anything, he’s a solid QB but you do realize Wisky chose Mertz over him. Yes we are 4-0 but we are 4-0 despite him. This team is very talented, however we could just as easily be 0-4 and our schedule hasn’t been murders row. 
 

Can anyone make a solid argument for Coan? I’m starting to question what the coaches are watching in practice? We’ve seen backups look better under Kelly before. There’s enough tape on Coan to know you can’t win a title with him. That’s the goal for Kelly isn’t it? In the small sample I saw today from Pyne, he showed more potential than Coan has ever flashed and it isn’t close. 
 

Really hope we don’t make this change before it’s too late because we know this line isn’t improving under Quinn and it is for that reason I think this change will be inevitable. 

Coan throws the deep ball better. Coan will play unless his ankle won't allow it

Pyne played well, but his body of work is not enough to make this leap on. Pyne looked overwhelmed in the pocket a few times, which led to that big hit. I still think Coan gives us the best chance to win, but he overthrew Austin again today and underthrew Lenzy twice...

You’re going with “Wisconsin chose Mertz over him”…. you wanna seriously stick with that?  Mertz blows donkey nuts.  They very clearly made the wrong choice.

Mertz may be the worst qb we’ve seen.

We've seen 6 completions from Pyne.

Not ready to crown him yet.

He is less a statue behind our awful OL though.

He's also only 5-11, so might have trouble seeing the field. 

IDK.. we shall see. 

too early

22 minutes ago, irishwavend said:

You’re going with “Wisconsin chose Mertz over him”…. you wanna seriously stick with that?  Mertz blows donkey nuts.  They very clearly made the wrong choice.

Mertz may be the worst qb we’ve seen.

That was probably my last and least emphasized point of argument. Coan will not be able to succeed behind this line and we know we can’t win a title with him. Pyne showed more in a quarter than we have seen from Coan in multiple seasons. 
 

Mark my word, if Coan remains the starter we will lose a game we shouldn’t lose (and we should be able to win out with this defense and skill position talent). How many more times does he have to brace in the pocket and take a drive killing sack? He has no awareness in the pocket and is just a bad fit for the way this team is constructed. 
 

Pin this and I’ll be here to tell you I told you so. Hopefully Kelly sees this before It is too late. 

Pyne also look competent but nothing more against Alabama. Not sure any of our qb’s can beat them right now. 

Shiny new things syndrome…

18 minutes ago, Rocketsan said:

Shiny new things syndrome…

And if it wasn’t for Buchner, Coan would have lost to Toledo….

 

 

28 minutes ago, Rocketsan said:

Shiny new things syndrome…

Surprised to see this from you. You like what you see from Coan? 

2 minutes ago, Rattlesnake said:

Surprised to see this from you. You like what you see from Coan? 

He’s always said that throughout the years whenever a new ND player does well for one game and everybody wants them to start. 
Coan shows he can play.  But his receivers don’t like him. Or else they would catch his balls. That, or he throws an ugly ball that they can’t seem to see. 

2 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

That was probably my last and least emphasized point of argument. Coan will not be able to succeed behind this line and we know we can’t win a title with him. Pyne showed more in a quarter than we have seen from Coan in multiple seasons. 
 

Mark my word, if Coan remains the starter we will lose a game we shouldn’t lose (and we should be able to win out with this defense and skill position talent). How many more times does he have to brace in the pocket and take a drive killing sack? He has no awareness in the pocket and is just a bad fit for the way this team is constructed. 
 

Pin this and I’ll be here to tell you I told you so. Hopefully Kelly sees this before It is too late. 

To the bolded.

So you're saying 6 completions stacks up to all his starting experience, or even his game vs FSU where he had 350+ yards, 4 TDs, a great passer rating and QBR, all behind a horrible OL....

I agree Pyne might be the better answer, right now, due to the OL.... but it's only due to the OL. Let's not act like Pyne is an obvious get you to the playoffs kind of guy. 6 completions... 

2 hours ago, Rocketsan said:

Shiny new things syndrome…

yup, that is exactly what it is. This happens at every school where the backup QB comes in and has a decent game... Mertz did the same thing.

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I am on this fence. Coan deserves the start against Cincinnati if 100% healthy.  If he struggles I have no problem having the quick hook.  I understand the “shiny new toys”argument, however pine very well might be the better choice given our god awful offensive line. Two reasons here he’s more mobile and he has a quicker release. 

How bad is Buchners Hammy? Sure would be nice to have him available 

9 hours ago, Rocketsan said:

Shiny new things syndrome…

Exactly.  I saw Coan throw a perfect back shoulder pass.  I saw Pyne nearly throw the same pass into the defender.  Luckily the ND WR made a great play and was able to catch it but the ball wasn’t thrown where it needed to be.  

Pyne was awesome for the short time he was in.  I’d love for him to prove me wrong but when you have to be “the guy” week after week, it gets harder.  

9 hours ago, Rattlesnake said:

Surprised to see this from you. You like what you see from Coan? 

Not necessarily….but I’m definitely not ready to anoint a new king based on what I saw yesterday. I didn’t see enough. It’s like when people freaked out about Diaco or Tenuta or VanGorder after one killer defensive performance and then crap all over them when the sample size increases… 
 

I wasn’t a fan of bringing in Coan, I would have preferred to have some growing pains with one of our young QBs this year. At the end of the day, I’m glad they did because our o-line has been horrendous and every QB on our roster is going to struggle.

 

I saw Coan do some good things in a very tough environment week one. That resonates well with me better than the struggles of recent weeks. Heck, he hasn’t had time to throw the ball… how many sacks yesterday on him alone? Five? Six? 

Pyne has a quicker release, but he doesn’t give us a deep ball threat. My guess is that they hope the OLine improves and stick with Coan if he’s healthy. Pyne is more mobile than Coan, but he did not evade the defensive tackle who stripped him for a crucial fumble in a still tight game. Whether that’s due to a lack of game reps or not is anybody’s guess. At best, Pyne looks to me like Book 2.0, which isn’t bad, but better teams love not having to worry about getting burned deep. We have some serious deep speed with Lenzy particularly and it would be a shame not to utilize it. I believe our best chance is with Coan, but that assumes our OLine improves, which is a big if. 

9 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

To the bolded.

So you're saying 6 completions stacks up to all his starting experience, or even his game vs FSU where he had 350+ yards, 4 TDs, a great passer rating and QBR, all behind a horrible OL....

I agree Pyne might be the better answer, right now, due to the OL.... but it's only due to the OL. Let's not act like Pyne is an obvious get you to the playoffs kind of guy. 6 completions... 

I get it’s a tough environment and all but FSU is HORRIBLE. Yes, on 6 completions it is easy to see he has loads more potential. At this point there isn’t one thing Coan does better than a slightly stronger arm… and I’m not sure if that’s even the case. Pyne has plenty of zip and looks to be more accurate. 
 

I get the shiny new toy argument but we know what Coan is and even with last years o line, he’s not getting us to a playoff. Again I ask, what’s the goal this year? If it’s to win ten games then stay with Coan, but if it’s to potentially win a title we need to go with Pyne. 

Just wait until Pyne has a year in Kelly's system as a starter to get that confused, deer in the headlights look. I'm assuming the offense gives these guys too much to process before they select a read and throw the ball as the rookies seem to do really well coming in for relief or their first year as a starter. 

The 2 QB system cost us Texas in 2015. They need to ride the hot hand especially given Pyne has better escapability and they're gonna need that with an OL this bad. Throws a pretty good ball also..

The Problem with a QB change is isn't doesn't really relieve the problem that much.

The problem is the offensive line.

 

I know the counter is well Pyne gets it out quicker. Who got blind sided and fumbled the ball? That's right Pyne.

For everyone that says we miss Harry:

We miss

Eichenberg, Kraemer, Banks and Hainsey, Its unfair to say these 5, once we get a fresh 5 won't get there. But to say changing QB's helps that? 

Maybe Buchner.

In short, We'll need every QB on the Roster and they will all have some aches and pains while the line is transitioning