2023 Notre Dame Recruiting Prospects

[jbrown_9999 1,004]

17 hours ago, golson5 said:

So Rees landed the top qb recruit we've had in years as the OC.  Got it

But then after 2022 recruits saw one season of Rees as OC, he could only recruit a QB recruit not in the top 200 .

Instead of having multiple 5*'s and high 4*'s competing for the the starting role like other CFP teams, ND is looking to start a 3* transfer and then hope that Buchner pans out in 2022 given that other Rees QB recruits (as either QB coach or OC) are ranked #521, #225, unranked, and #229.

Again, the question was "what does ND need to do differently to attract 5* QBs?" because the current combination of coaching and scheme does not seem to be attractive to élite QB recruits.

 

[soulpatch 149]

16 hours ago, jbrown_9999 said:

But then after 2022 recruits saw one season of Rees as OC, he could only recruit a QB recruit not in the top 200 .

Instead of having multiple 5*'s and high 4*'s competing for the the starting role like other CFP teams, ND is looking to start a 3* transfer and then hope that Buchner pans out in 2022 given that other Rees QB recruits (as either QB coach or OC) are ranked #521, #225, unranked, and #229.

Again, the question was "what does ND need to do differently to attract 5* QBs?" because the current combination of coaching and scheme does not seem to be attractive to élite QB recruits.

 

I'm going to take a shot in the dark that you'd recommend changing our combination of coaching and scheme?

ND has remained largely consistent in Kelly's tenure with about 150 QBR. Clemson and Alabama did not outpace before 2018 when both experienced sudden, significant upticks in QBR. Clemson's may be due to coaching/scheme but it also coincided with Trevor Lawrence, so it's possible it had something to do with that (Dabo had highly rated recruits prior to him that were also given their shot in the nfl but none of them threw up Trevor-esque QBR). Bama, on the other hand, has managed this with at least three QB's. Additionally, they've had A) a change in OC's and B) changes in scheme, shifting from a largely power O to more passing-based offense. 

So, sure, a change in coaching/scheme may flip the offense and should definitely be a focal point. But, we shouldn't be suggesting A) that the blue-bloods have all been throwing up heisman'esque seasons for the last 10 years and/or B) that any of these programs have been chock-full of can't-miss talent. Between OSU, Clemson, Bama and Oklahoma, they have put two starting-worthy QB's in the NFL in, what, the past 20 years? And, calling Baker starting-worthy is a streeeeetch. 

I think scheme and WR are the final two pieces for these teams. We have Mac Jones-caliber talent in our pipeline.

Edited July 19, 2021 by soulpatch

[jbrown_9999 1,004]

3 hours ago, soulpatch said:

I'm going to take a shot in the dark that you'd recommend changing our combination of coaching and scheme?

ND has remained largely consistent in Kelly's tenure with about 150 QBR. Clemson and Alabama did not outpace before 2018 when both experienced sudden, significant upticks in QBR. Clemson's may be due to coaching/scheme but it also coincided with Trevor Lawrence, so it's possible it had something to do with that (Dabo had highly rated recruits prior to him that were also given their shot in the nfl but none of them threw up Trevor-esque QBR). Bama, on the other hand, has managed this with at least three QB's. Additionally, they've had A) a change in OC's and B) changes in scheme, shifting from a largely power O to more passing-based offense. 

So, sure, a change in coaching/scheme may flip the offense and should definitely be a focal point. But, we shouldn't be suggesting A) that the blue-bloods have all been throwing up heisman'esque seasons for the last 10 years and/or B) that any of these programs have been chock-full of can't-miss talent. Between OSU, Clemson, Bama and Oklahoma, they have put two starting-worthy QB's in the NFL in, what, the past 20 years? And, calling Baker starting-worthy is a streeeeetch. 

I think scheme and WR are the final two pieces for these teams. We have Mac Jones-caliber talent in our pipeline.

It appears that ND is behind the curve from an offensive perspective. Can ND's ball control offense win a NC? Doubtful given that Kelly has not scored more than 14 points in the four play-off games he coached in at ND.

It does not necessarily need to require a coaching change. Saban made the decision in 2014 to open up his offense. It took a little time to get recruiting, etc. aligned but Alabama's last two QBs were both drafted in the first round.

Other CFP schools Notre Dame should measure themselves against as well: Clemson's last two QBs, drafted in the first round. Ohio State's last two QBs drafted in the first round. Oklahoma goes against this first round trend in that their last QB was drafted in the second round but the two before that were each drafted #1 overall in the first round.

The above schools have all signed multiple true 5* QB recruits in the past few years.

ND's last two QBs? undrafted and a surprising 4th round pick. QB recruiting? a high 4* but no 5*'s. 

 

[Big23Head 2,234]

Maybe this helps (there is a big BBQ event happening next week, July 27)

 

 

 

Also, Mac Markway is tentatively visiting as well and just announced he is committing next week...interesting development. If he's visiting that should mean Irish, if he is not then I'd expect elsewhere.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Big23Head

[soulpatch 149]

18 minutes ago, jbrown_9999 said:

It appears that ND is behind the curve from an offensive perspective. Can ND's ball control offense win a NC? Doubtful given that Kelly has not scored more than 14 points in the four play-off games he coached in at ND.

It does not necessarily need to require a coaching change. Saban made the decision in 2014 to open up his offense. It took a little time to get recruiting, etc. aligned but Alabama's last two QBs were both drafted in the first round.

Other CFP schools Notre Dame should measure themselves against as well: Clemson's last two QBs, drafted in the first round. Ohio State's last two QBs drafted in the first round. Oklahoma goes against this first round trend in that their last QB was drafted in the second round but the two before that were each drafted #1 overall in the first round.

The above schools have all signed multiple true 5* QB recruits in the past few years.

ND's last two QBs? undrafted and a surprising 4th round pick. QB recruiting? a high 4* but no 5*'s. 

 

If you're looking to talk about QB's at ND (or other schools) beyond ND's '23 recruiting effort, you should make a thread for it. If you label the title appropriately, I'm sure you'll get good engagement from the members of this community who have opinions to offer on it.

[Big23Head 2,234]

Just FYI, all 2023 except Hinish, Ford, and Speca...talent attracts talent.

 

BBQ Unofficial Visit [7/27]:

MI QB Dante Moore (Offer)

IN LB Drayk Bowen (Offer)

OK WR Micah Tease (Offer)

TX S Ryan Yaites (Offer)

PA LB Ta'Mere Robinson (Offer)

OH DL Luke Montgomery (Offer)*

NJ S Adon Shuler (Offer)

FL DL Derrick LeBlanc (Offer)

GA CB Kayin Lee (Offer)

OH OL Joshua Padilla (Offer)

MA LB Preston Zinter (Offer)

FL CB Malik Muhammad (Offer)

FL S King Mack (Offer)

NJ CB Moussa Kane

PA LB Anthony Speca (Offer, 2024)

OH DL Brenan Vernon (ND Verbal)

MO DL Tyson Ford (ND Verbal)

PA DL Donovan Hinish (ND Verbal)

 

*Tentative

Edited July 20, 2021 by Big23Head

[reneg 70]

1 hour ago, Big23Head said:

Just FYI, all 2023 except Hinish, Ford, and Speca...talent attracts talent.

 

BBQ Unofficial Visit [7/27]:

MI QB Dante Moore (Offer)

MO TE Mac Markway (Offer)*

IN LB Drayk Bowen (Offer)

OK WR Micah Tease (Offer)

TX S Ryan Yaites (Offer)

PA LB Ta'Mere Robinson (Offer)

OH DL Luke Montgomery (Offer)*

NJ S Adon Shuler (Offer)

FL DL Derrick LeBlanc (Offer)

GA CB Kayin Lee (Offer)

OH OL Joshua Padilla (Offer)

MA LB Preston Zinter (Offer)

FL CB Malik Muhammad (Offer)

FL S King Mack (Offer)

NJ CB Moussa Kane

PA LB Anthony Speca (Offer, 2024)

OH DL Brenan Vernon (ND Verbal)

MO DL Tyson Ford (ND Verbal)

PA DL Donovan Hinish (ND Verbal)

 

*Tentative

Tons of talent. Whoever is grilling better be wearing them white New Balance's.

[jbrown_9999 1,004]

1 hour ago, soulpatch said:

If you're looking to talk about QB's at ND (or other schools) beyond ND's '23 recruiting effort, you should make a thread for it. If you label the title appropriately, I'm sure you'll get good engagement from the members of this community who have opinions to offer on it.

I tried. 

 

[The Captain 19 370]

Big. On your list you posted of tentative visitors for the BBQ event I don't see Mac Markway. Is that an indication? According to his Twitter he is announcing tomorrow the 27th. Just wondered your thoughts. Kid looks like a good one. 

[Big23Head 2,234]

1 hour ago, The Captain 19 said:

Big. On your list you posted of tentative visitors for the BBQ event I don't see Mac Markway. Is that an indication? According to his Twitter he is announcing tomorrow the 27th. Just wondered your thoughts. Kid looks like a good one. 

Don't expect it to be ND. He was tentative and doesn't look like he is attending.

[golson5 176]

5 hours ago, Big23Head said:

Don't expect it to be ND. He was tentative and doesn't look like he is attending.

Thats a good thing.  Better prospects on the board 

[jbrown_9999 1,004]

Great to see the number of high 2023 recruits on campus. Glad to see that the staff has raised their sights...

[Big23Head 2,234]

Very athletic QB offered today and one massive potential RB

 

 

 

[NDhoosier 1,216]

I am somewhat excited about this Kaden Feagin offer. As long as we get a second RB in that class, I think he is a good one!

Edited July 29, 2021 by NDhoosier

[Big23Head 2,234]

 

[jbrown_9999 1,004]

7 hours ago, Big23Head said:

 

Tom Loy put in a crystal ball for ND today

[Big23Head 2,234]

 

[NDhoosier 1,216]

Flown under the radar it seems, but Cooper Flanagan (TE-2023) was just offered a couple days ago and a couple crystal balls were put in following it.
 

https://247sports.com/Player/Cooper-Flanagan-46099586/

[Big23Head 2,234]

 

 

 

[NDhoosier 1,216]

IU in there as well; it means that distance is important to him. I feel pretty good about ND's chances.