Looking pretty good. Hell, maybe I’ll line up for a turn... (Yay beer.)

They already told us that after they didnt can him after 4-8 in year 7. Its just hard for us as fans to accept it

 

And what happened two years after they went 4-8? He got into a playoff, but yeah, they don’t care about football. Stop projecting your thoughts as facts.

And what happened two years after they went 4-8? He got into a playoff, but yeah, they don’t care about football. Stop projecting your thoughts as facts.

 

Might want to improve your comprehension skills chief. No one is saying they "dont care about football". What we are saying is they dont care about winning titles, you defend them because you agree with them and that's fine.

 

Brian kelly will never win a title at nd, they know it and you know it. They also know he will win consistently enough to make them a good amount of money and keep them respectable. That's good enough for them and you. They dont want to risk another failure of a coaching hire so they're going to let bk drift off into the sunset for the next 4 years knowing damn well he won't win them a title. And that's ok with them because they are ok with that scenario and apparantly so are you. Some of us expect more.

If they extend him before his contract runs out, it truly means the football tradition is dead. They are happy being a Stanford or a Penn St that just competes sometimes.[/

 

They basically have to extend his contract, even if they don’t expect him to stay for the full term (one way or another). You just can’t have a lame duck coach in college football. It is terrible for the program and especially recruiting.

Might want to improve your comprehension skills chief. No one is saying they "dont care about football". What we are saying is they dont care about winning titles, you defend them because you agree with them and that's fine.

 

Brian kelly will never win a title at nd, they know it and you know it. They also know he will win consistently enough to make them a good amount of money and keep them respectable. That's good enough for them and you. They dont want to risk another failure of a coaching hire so they're going to let bk drift off into the sunset for the next 4 years knowing damn well he won't win them a title. And that's ok with them because they are ok with that scenario and apparantly so are you. Some of us expect more.

 

That's the same thing, and you don't know what they're thinking. That's your projection you're trying to pass off as fact to support your argument. And don't tell me what I believe and what I don't. I firmly believe they have a better chance at winning a title in the next 5 yrs with Kelly than with Fleck. Kelly was on the doorstep last year and while they got embarrassed, they were still there. Fleck has one win over Penn State, in a game they almost lost specifically because of his coaching. Fleck is another Tressell, except Tressellball isn't winning titles in this day and age.

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That's the same thing, and you don't know what they're thinking. That's your projection you're trying to pass off as fact to support your argument. And don't tell me what I believe and what I don't. I firmly believe they have a better chance at winning a title in the next 5 yrs with Kelly than with Fleck. Kelly was on the doorstep last year and while they got embarrassed, they were still there. Fleck has one win over Penn State, in a game they almost lost specifically because of his coaching. Fleck is another Tressell, except Tressellball isn't winning titles in this day and age.

 

Kelly has no chance of ever winning a NC. None.

 

He has displayed nothing in 10 years that ever makes me think he can win two games on a neutral field with a month for both teams to prepare.

Let's be honest. Is it the coach the reason we can't win the NC soon or is it that we have, like, ONE 5 star players on our team right now. Is it that we are just not talented enough?

Let's be honest. Is it the coach the reason we can't win the NC soon or is it that we have, like, ONE 5 star players on our team right now. Is it that we are just not talented enough?

 

Which, I always say, who's fault is that? It always comes back to the coach. Either he can't deliver, he's not hiring the right staff that can deliver, his recruiting coordinator isn't good, or it's the reflection of not winning enough games to draw in more recruits. Pick your answer. It always comes back to the coach.

But I agree, we have lacked the 5 star power to get us over the top. I have claimed that if ND could just land just 1 five star a class, that they would be right there with Clemson in recruiting. Probably in winning too..

Which, I always say, who's fault is that? It always comes back to the coach. Either he can't deliver, he's not hiring the right staff that can deliver, his recruiting coordinator isn't good, or it's the reflection of not winning enough games to draw in more recruits. Pick your answer. It always comes back to the coach.

But I agree, we have lacked the 5 star power to get us over the top. I have claimed that if ND could just land just 1 five star a class, that they would be right there with Clemson in recruiting. Probably in winning too..

 

Can we recruit better, yes we can. But can we recruit to the level of the truly elite, doubtful. We need to consistently recruit in the 5 to 10 range every year and find the game changing qb. That's how we are going to have a chance against the top. I think Buchner is that guy. Too bad hes a year away

They already told us that after they didnt can him after 4-8 in year 7. Its just hard for us as fans to accept it

 

Full disclosure...I wanted BK when things went south with Charlie. I loved how no matter he had at QB they won. One year he used 5 different QBsS. They were no huddle and up and down the field.

 

Then year 7 hit and I thought he was done...and I posted here about PJ and wanted him. BK recovered as we know.

 

The only way we get PJ now is if BK jumps to the NFL, which I don’t know why that would happen.

 

PJ will be the next Urban that we cry about for years.

That's the same thing, and you don't know what they're thinking. That's your projection you're trying to pass off as fact to support your argument. And don't tell me what I believe and what I don't. I firmly believe they have a better chance at winning a title in the next 5 yrs with Kelly than with Fleck. Kelly was on the doorstep last year and while they got embarrassed, they were still there. Fleck has one win over Penn State, in a game they almost lost specifically because of his coaching. Fleck is another Tressell, except Tressellball isn't winning titles in this day and age.

 

Boy Fleck is really in your head. We understand that you are a Kelly homer but damn its getting old and delusional.

That's your projection you're trying to pass off as fact to support your argument. And don't tell me what I believe and what I don't.

 

Pot meet kettle

 

In terms of telling people what to believe or not, you have consistently called people disparaging names who have expressed different opinions than yours. You seem to have no reluctance in telling people what they should believe and consistently treat your opinion as if it is immutable fact.

 

Here are some "projections" that you tried to pass off as fact:

 

1) Clemson's team last year was made up of Top 5 classes. False

 

But then you could not admit "defeat" but had to change your argument to focus on just the QB position.

 

2) New coaches do not win championships. False (even excluding Meyer and Saban)

 

Again, you could not be wrong but had to try change the argument to exclude at least three coaches

 

3) Outside coaches do not win championships. False (even excluding Meyer and Saban)

 

Again, you could not be wrong but had to try change the argument to exclude at least three coaches

 

I assume that I can find more examples but do not really want to spend the time looking back at old posts since I truly believe that it will not make a difference.

 

At the end of the day, you seem have the opinion that Kelly is the best coach for ND for the next five years. It seems that you waffle back and forth on the question of whether or not ND could actually win a championship but you appear to "all in" for Kelly.

 

There is another opinion held by others that a different coach would give ND a better chance at winning a NC. This is mainly due to two reasons: 1) History strongly suggests that it is very unlikely that a coach will win his first championship in his eleventh or later year of coaching a school. I might be wrong but I believe that Bobby Bowden was the last coach to do so in 1993. and 2) Kelly's lack of success in big games against ranked opponents does not give folks confidence that Kelly could win two CFP games where the other coach has weeks to prepare and Kelly needs to make sure that his team is motivated and prepared to play well.

 

I personally add a third reason which is that I believe that Kelly is underperforming when it comes to recruiting. I truly believe that he could at least slightly improve his recruiting results to Top 10 instead of Top 15 if he put more time, energy, and passion into it.

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Pot meet kettle

 

In terms of telling people what to believe or not, you have consistently called people disparaging names who have expressed different opinions than yours. You seem to have no reluctance in telling people what they should believe and consistently treat your opinion as if it is immutable fact.

 

Here are some "projections" that you tried to pass off as fact:

 

1) Clemson's team last year was made up of Top 5 classes. False

 

But then you could not admit "defeat" but had to change your argument to focus on just the QB position.

 

2) New coaches do not win championships. False (even excluding Meyer and Saban)

 

Again, you could not be wrong but had to try change the argument to exclude at least three coaches

 

3) Outside coaches do not win championships. False (even excluding Meyer and Saban)

 

Again, you could not be wrong but had to try change the argument to exclude at least three coaches

 

I assume that I can find more examples but do not really want to spend the time looking back at old posts since I truly believe that it will not make a difference.

 

At the end of the day, you seem have the opinion that Kelly is the best coach for ND for the next five years. It seems that you waffle back and forth on the question of whether or not ND could actually win a championship but you appear to "all in" for Kelly.

 

There is another opinion held by others that a different coach would give ND a better chance at winning a NC. This is mainly due to two reasons: 1) History strongly suggests that it is very unlikely that a coach will win his first championship in his eleventh or later year of coaching a school. I might be wrong but I believe that Bobby Bowden was the last coach to do so in 1993. and 2) Kelly's lack of success in big games against ranked opponents does not give folks confidence that Kelly could win two CFP games where the other coach has weeks to prepare and Kelly needs to make sure that his team is motivated and prepared to play well.

 

I personally add a third reason which is that I believe that Kelly is underperforming when it comes to recruiting. I truly believe that he could at least slightly improve his recruiting results to Top 10 instead of Top 15 if he put more time, energy, and passion into it.

 

I believe it was Osborne not Bowden, though they both finally won one in 10th+ year at basically the same time early/mid 90's. Your point remains though, that it's a very rare occurrence for a DI coach to hit their first natty outside of year ten at the same school. If that Vick led VTech team could have done it, Beamer would have been the only other one in somewhat recent memory.

I believe it was Osborne not Bowden, though they both finally won one in 10th+ year at basically the same time early/mid 90's. Your point remains though, that it's a very rare occurrence for a DI coach to hit their first natty outside of year ten at the same school. If that Vick led VTech team could have done it, Beamer would have been the only other one in somewhat recent memory.

 

We might not be able to count Osbourne winning his first in 1994 as significant. Since he is probably one of the best 10 coaches of all time (and he had a great QB Tommy Frazier), we have to exclude any of his results from our analysis...

Osborne, Paterno, Bowden