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Good news to hear.  Welcome aboard Mr. Hartman!  No offense to Coan, but this transfer moves the needle for me moreso than Coan did.  Especially considering the depth we have returning at RB, talented young WR and TE, as well as some very good OL.

Excited for spring ball now at least.  

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Fantastic news!  Very excited to have the experience and talent back there. Still not confident that Rees is the right guy to call plays and run the offense though but at least there will not be any excuses that the QB isn’t talented enough. 

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2 hours ago, tneun89 said:

If ND can land another starting-caliber WR in the portal, the offense should be lethal next season. 

Playoffs a very real possibility.

We are fine at receiver… Merriweather, Styles, Colzie, Thomas, Smith, Greathouse, James, etc… there is more than enough talent here. 
 

Get two defensive linemen (preferably Lucas and another 4 star caliber guy) and the Arkansas Safety, then this is a playoff caliber team. 
 

Hartman’s season will tell us a lot about Rees and his potential or lack thereof. 

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2 hours ago, tneun89 said:

If ND can land another starting-caliber WR in the portal, the offense should be lethal next season. 

Playoffs a very real possibility.

I don’t know…our freshmen are pretty freaking legit that are coming in.

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ya, DL is the one area that we need more impact players. Botelho could be a break out player (not guaranteed by any means) but even if he breaks out, they would need another one as well.

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56 minutes ago, NDhoosier said:

ya, DL is the one area that we need more impact players. Botelho could be a break out player (not guaranteed by any means) but even if he breaks out, they would need another one as well.

DL and safety are a problem. Depth or a starter, however you look at it. 

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Loy cab’s Harper(safety/Nickel) from Okie State to ND. That would be a welcome. I’d still take Catalon too. 
 

DL seems to be the biggest need. Maybe Vaughn’s from Utah State?  I think ND will find somebody here. Just hope it’s somewhat if a difference maker. 
 

As for Hartman, all these metrics that I hardly understand seem to paint Hartman as a drastic improvement for ND. Throws a ton downfield. Takes more sacks and throws more int’s but has a better success rate downfield too. Buchner would be wise to learn from him for a year and then take the reigns and flourish at ND. 

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1 hour ago, coltssb said:

Buchner would be wise to learn from him for a year and then take the reigns and flourish at ND. 

This sort of Homer thinking is actually a shame to see.  Buchner is done here - the entire program will be better off for it. I cant believe some of you still think this is a wise plan.   Bring back a horrible Senior QB in 2024 - who has pretty much ridden the bench for 3 years - to be the next QB after hartman.  You guys are obsessed with mediocrity and status quo

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13 minutes ago, NDLincPark said:

This sort of Homer thinking is actually a shame to see.  Buchner is done here - the entire program will be better off for it. I cant believe some of you still think this is a wise plan.   Bring back a horrible Senior QB in 2024 - who has pretty much ridden the bench for 3 years - to be the next QB after hartman.  You guys are obsessed with mediocrity and status quo

Homer thinking? Ok….do people not get better at there craft if they continue to practice at it?  What do they tell people that want to be good at something. Find someone better and learn from that person. Back on topic, as for Buchner, I can think of quite a few people that blew up there senior years. Quit pretending your an NFL scout. 

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2 minutes ago, coltssb said:

Homer thinking? Ok….do people not get better at there craft if they continue to practice at it?  What do they tell people that want to be good at something. Find someone better and learn from that person. Back on topic, as for Buchner, I can think of quite a few people that blew up there senior years. Quit pretending your an NFL scout. 

Name a Senior QB who 'Blew up' as a Senior - and after being a backup for basically 3 years.   Who led his team to CFP/Playoff contention?  Oh wait, I know what you're going to say.  Joe BUrrow.   Got me, yep, ND should just hope Buchner turns into Joe Burrow in 2024.  LOL

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5 minutes ago, NDLincPark said:

Name a Senior QB who 'Blew up' as a Senior - and after being a backup for basically 3 years.   Who led his team to CFP/Playoff contention?  Oh wait, I know what you're going to say.  Joe BUrrow.   Got me, yep, ND should just hope Buchner turns into Joe Burrow in 2024.  LOL

There ya go. You did your homework. Can Newton. Kurt Warner.  Now for what “I” said. Guys improve with work. Carson Palmer was complete garbage up till his senior year. Then exploded and won the Heisman and a championship. Hendon Hooker the past two years. Last year would be considered his senior year if not for Covid.  Max Duggan lost his job last year and may win the championship in his senior year. Tom Brady was a spot starter with Drew Henson his senior year.  Joe Montana didn’t have lights out stats his whole college career. Guys develop. They get better. So, Again, show us your credentials as an qb evaluator or turn my water into wine. If you can’t do either,  then stop acting like you’re something you’re not…

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43 minutes ago, coltssb said:

There ya go. You did your homework. Can Newton. Kurt Warner.  Now for what “I” said. Guys improve with work. Carson Palmer was complete garbage up till his senior year. Then exploded and won the Heisman and a championship. Hendon Hooker the past two years. Last year would be considered his senior year if not for Covid.  Max Duggan lost his job last year and may win the championship in his senior year. Tom Brady was a spot starter with Drew Henson his senior year.  Joe Montana didn’t have lights out stats his whole college career. Guys develop. They get better. So, Again, show us your credentials as an qb evaluator or turn my water into wine. If you can’t do either,  then stop acting like you’re something you’re not…

So, your 2024 - Post Hartman Plan.  Is to hope that Tyler Buchner turns into Joe Burrow, or Tom Brady, or Carson Palmer, or Cam Newton or Kurt Warner.   LOL

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1 hour ago, NDLincPark said:

This sort of Homer thinking is actually a shame to see.  Buchner is done here - the entire program will be better off for it. I cant believe some of you still think this is a wise plan.   Bring back a horrible Senior QB in 2024 - who has pretty much ridden the bench for 3 years - to be the next QB after hartman.  You guys are obsessed with mediocrity and status quo

I think you are misreading the comment you quoted.

@coltssb didn't seem to be stating a preference about QB1 for 24, imo. The comment just states that Buchner would do well to learn and try to succeed after doing so. 

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