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51 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Even the latest report I read said Buchner struggled with accuracy a bit on 11on11 team snaps. 

It did say that his comfort level had improved in the pocket, which is a good thing. 

I've yet to see 11/11 film on him that's not been a mixed bag. Anything you can point me to?

You also have to remember that not all of those accuracy issues are his fault. Being early on in full camp wide receivers aren’t always running the right routes or running them correctly. 

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27 minutes ago, Domers23 said:

You also have to remember that not all of those accuracy issues are his fault. Being early on in full camp wide receivers aren’t always running the right routes or running them correctly. 

No need to try and shift blame lol.

Reports are reports. It's not exactly a surprising thing that we didn't expect to hear early camp. 

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The QB position will be the most talked about position battle of fall camp

Pyne and Buchner are about even or there would not be a competition

Buchner has more potential. Speed, 2 inches taller,  not as polished. Played more but in a limited role. Leadership is an unknown.

Pyne has alot more time at ND. Redshirted under Book.  Played a little. Is a vocal leader. undersized. No wow skill 

 

SO DOES ND GO WITH:

POTIENTIAL: BUCHNER

POLISH:      PYNE

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Just now, OKelleyIrish said:

Buchner will win the gig. If not, I'd be deeply disappointed. 

If he doesn't show consistency though, wouldn't be shocked to see a platoon approach later, or Pyne taking over. 

But he'll start game one and get the chance. 

I think that's the key, consistency. During the Virginia Tech game he had moments. But then also the awful interception across his body. 

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31 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

No need to try and shift blame lol.

Reports are reports. It's not exactly a surprising thing that we didn't expect to hear early camp. 

Lol. Not shifting blame. It’s a fact. Not all incompletions are the qbs fault. A source I listened to said that some of that was very much on the receivers. He said buchner put the ball where it was supposed to be and that the receivers weren’t there for different reasons. They said they saw that on a few occasions. Just reporting what I heard. Do with it what you want. 

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22 minutes ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

The QB position will be the most talked about position battle of fall camp

Pyne and Buchner are about even or there would not be a competition

Buchner has more potential. Speed, 2 inches taller,  not as polished. Played more but in a limited role. Leadership is an unknown.

Pyne has alot more time at ND. Redshirted under Book.  Played a little. Is a vocal leader. undersized. No wow skill 

 

SO DOES ND GO WITH:

POTIENTIAL: BUCHNER

POLISH:      PYNE

In my opinion it is a competition in name only. Those 2 are not close to neck and neck. Buchner is taking most of the first team reps. 

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Just now, Domers23 said:

In my opinion it is a competition in name only. Those 2 are not close to neck and neck. Buchner is taking most of the first team reps. 

Well they are close to neck and neck at 1 important category: 0 games started. The other stuff is just an injury away from changing. So its imperative that the staff has both guys ready and engaged. The best way to make that happen is a competition.

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12 minutes ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

I think that's the key, consistency. During the Virginia Tech game he had moments. But then also the awful interception across his body. 

Agreed. I think we all know the past, and the areas he needs to work on. 

Good reports on his footwork, and his comfort level in the pocket. He wasn't allowed to run in RZ drills, and I like that. Forces him develop passing instead of relying on his safety valve (legs). 

Hopefully those two things translate into improved passing. We just don't have a lot to go on to make a call one way or another. 

I expect our OL to a major step forward this season. Not sure if I buy the #1 preseason OL rank, but with Harry, we should be top 10 at minimum IMO. And that means less reliance on legs. I'm not saying I don't want Buchner to run at all, I do when the situation calls for it. I just don't want it to be his default. 

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13 minutes ago, Domers23 said:

Lol. Not shifting blame. It’s a fact. Not all incompletions are the qbs fault. A source I listened to said that some of that was very much on the receivers. He said buchner put the ball where it was supposed to be and that the receivers weren’t there for different reasons. They said they saw that on a few occasions. Just reporting what I heard. Do with it what you want. 

Nobody reported the WRs were goofing routes as it relates to what they reported about Buchner. They reported arm/accuracy inconsistencies. I'd guess WR goofs were treated separately and distinct as far as the reporting goes. You can have both....

You're highly defensive about any factual reporting, or realistic speculation. My bet is on Buchner. I've been clear about that. But I won't pretend it's all puppy dogs and rainbows lol. Most fans who follow have the same, and very real concerns. We haven't seen much yet. We'll see more. Let's see it play out. The fact it's still called a competition says something in itself. 

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On 8/7/2022 at 11:27 PM, OKelleyIrish said:

Nobody reported the WRs were goofing routes as it relates to what they reported about Buchner. They reported arm/accuracy inconsistencies. I'd guess WR goofs were treated separately and distinct as far as the reporting goes. You can have both....

You're highly defensive about any factual reporting, or realistic speculation. My bet is on Buchner. I've been clear about that. But I won't pretend it's all puppy dogs and rainbows lol. Most fans who follow have the same, and very real concerns. We haven't seen much yet. We'll see more. Let's see it play out. The fact it's still called a competition says something in itself. 

Haha. Sounds like we are listening to different people. You don’t think I’ve listened to factual reporting?  I have acknowledged that he has to prove it and that he isn’t perfect.  I know he has things to work on. I just know that I have heard he also looks very good. And of course it will play out.  Yes it has been reported routes were run wrong.  You also like to cherry pick things I say.  I said some of the miscues were receivers, not all.  

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29 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Not sure if I buy the #1 preseason OL rank, but with Harry, we should be top 10 at minimum IMO. 

Given that there are three OL who are mentioned as possible first round draft picks in the 2023 or 2024 NFL draft (Patterson, Alt, and Fisher), ND might actual have the #1 OL.

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15 minutes ago, Domers23 said:

Haha. Sounds like we are listening to different people. You don’t think I’ve listened to factual reporting?  I have acknowledged that he has to prove it and that he isn’t perfect.  I know he has things to work on. I just know that I have heard he also looks very good. And of course it will play out.  Yes it has been reported routes were run wrong. 

I listen to, and read, most of the stuff out there that's available. I do my best to stay realistic. I don't overly rely on the same guys that pump sunshine every season lol. There are a lot of guys on the pay sites that have early hot takes on individuals (often when we're recruiting them), then spend the rest of the kid's career at ND trying to defend their early hot take. 

Right now the reports are mixed and cautious. When they stop being mixed, my tune will change. The true test is of course how he looks come game 1. We'll see. 

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7 minutes ago, jbrown_9999 said:

Given that there are three OL who are mentioned as possible first round draft picks in the 2023 or 2024 NFL draft (Patterson, Alt, and Fisher), ND might actual have the #1 OL.

They certainly could. It's a major jump though. 

I'm stoked Harry is back. That alone give me a huge boost in confidence. 

I've seen Patterson anywhere from 2nd to 4th so far. He'd have to kill it this season to make it into the 1R as an iOL, but it wouldn't surprise me. He'll have a great outside partner for sure, so the left side should be our strength. 

Alt to me has a great chance of being a 1R guy. Complete stud, and did it early. Love Fisher too, but need to see a full, good year from him. 

Great future ahead for this group. Hope Harry stays. 

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Just now, OKelleyIrish said:

They certainly could. It's a major jump though. 

I'm stoked Harry is back. That alone give me a huge boost in confidence. 

I've seen Patterson anywhere from 2nd to 4th so far. He'd have to kill it this season to make it into the 1R as an iOL, but it wouldn't surprise me. He'll have a great outside partner for sure, so the left side should be our strength. 

Alt to me has a great chance of being a 1R guy. Complete stud, and did it early. Love Fisher too, but need to see a full, good year from him. 

Great future ahead for this group. Hope Harry stays. 

It reminds me of Lou Holtz to have backs like this and a line still distantly connected to Joe Moore through Harry. Even Holtz struggled is first year though, but he also had Fouts to recover from where Marcus is charged with finishing what Kelly started and could not or would not finish.

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19 minutes ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

It reminds me of Lou Holtz to have backs like this and a line still distantly connected to Joe Moore through Harry. Even Holtz struggled is first year though, but he also had Fouts to recover from where Marcus is charged with finishing what Kelly started and could not or would not finish.

IMO, different. Freeman inherited a pretty good and stable situation. He's not having to rebuild anything or start from scratch. Has some great talent already on board. Just needs to hit at some specific positions and take the next step. Harry popping back is like a cherry on top. 

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20 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

IMO, different. Freeman inherited a pretty good and stable situation. He's not having to rebuild anything or start from scratch. Has some great talent already on board. Just needs to hit at some specific positions and take the next step. Harry popping back is like a cherry on top. 

And recruit like a maniac.

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