Big23Head 1,468 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) The target number is ~25-27 recruits for this year (24 Verbals, 12 EEs [^], 13 All-Americans [*]) : Overall 247 Composite Rankings: Total Points - #? Overall and Player Avg. - #? Overall 247: Notre Dame 2023 Football Offers 247: 2023 Football Recruiting Composite Team Rankings Visitor List: 2023 Recruit Visits QB (1) TN QB Kenny Minchey [ND Verbal ^*]: 247 Composite 4* 0.93 RB (1) MO RB Jeremiyah Love [ND Verbal *]: 247 Composite 4* 0.96 WR (4) TX WR Braylon James [ND Verbal ^*]: 247 Composite 4* 0.94 TX WR Jaden Greathouse [ND Verbal ^]: 247 Composite 4* 0.94 CA WR Rico Flores [ND Verbal ^*]: 247 Composite 4* 0.92 TX WR Kaleb Smith [ND Verbal]: 247 Composite 3* 0.88 TE (1) CA TE Cooper Flanagan [ND Verbal *]: 247 Composite 4* 0.91 OL (5) IL OL Charles Jagusah [ND Verbal *]: 247 Composite 4* 0.97 NC OL Sullivan Absher [ND Verbal *]: 247 Composite 4* 0.90 KS OL Joe Otting [ND Verbal]: 247 Composite 4* 0.90 NC OL Sam Pendleton [ND Verbal ^]: 247 Composite 4* 0.89 WI OL Christopher Terek [ND Verbal]: 247 Composite 3* 0.89 DL (4) OH DL Brenan Vernon [ND Verbal *]: 247 Composite 4* 0.92 MA DL Boubacar Traore [ND Verbal *]: 247 Composite 4* 0.92 MD DL Devan Houstan [ND Verbal ^]: 247 Composite 4* 0.91 VA DL Armel Mukam [ND Verbal]: 247 Composite 3* 0.88 LB (3) IN LB Drayk Bowen [ND Verbal ^*]: 247 Composite 4* 0.95 LA LB Jaiden Ausberry [ND Verbal ^*]: 247 Composite 4* 0.93 MA LB Preston Zinter [ND Verbal ^]: 247 Composite 3* 0.88 CB (2) MO CB Christian Gray [ND Verbal ^]: 247 Composite 4* 0.95 TX CB Micah Bell [ND Verbal *]: 247 Composite 4* 0.91 S (2) NJ S Adon Shuler [ND Verbal ^*]: 247 Composite 4* 0.90 OH S Ben Minich [ND Verbal ^]: 247 Composite 4* 0.90 ATH (1) VA ATH Brandyn Hillman [ND Verbal]: 247 Composite 4* 0.92 Edited January 27 by Big23Head 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 2,775 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I think I did the pinning thing right. We usually pin two classes at a time, @Big23Head let me know if that looks right or you'd like it different. Thanks for all your work on this!! Go Irish! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big23Head 1,468 Posted June 28, 2021 Author Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) Next DL? Edited June 28, 2021 by Big23Head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain 19 208 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Good call Big. Vernon just committed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Captain 19 208 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 We made the top 7 for QB Malachi Nelson but I think our chances are slim to none. https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/usc/Article/Malachi-Nelson-July-18-how-to-watch-CBSSports-HQ-recruiting-finalists-Alabama-Florida-State-LSU-Notre-Dame-Ohio-State-Oklahoma-USC-167667462/Amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKCIrish99 13 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, The Captain 19 said: We made the top 7 for QB Malachi Nelson but I think our chances are slim to none. https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/usc/Article/Malachi-Nelson-July-18-how-to-watch-CBSSports-HQ-recruiting-finalists-Alabama-Florida-State-LSU-Notre-Dame-Ohio-State-Oklahoma-USC-167667462/Amp/ He is projected to go to OU. Their qb recruiting has been amazing lately. Rattler, Williams, and now potentially Nelson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 748 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 58 minutes ago, OKCIrish99 said: He is projected to go to OU. Their qb recruiting has been amazing lately. Rattler, Williams, and now potentially Nelson. Why do you think that QBs want to go to Oklahoma instead of ND? Is it the actual scheme, the coaching (i.e. QB development), or their WRs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big23Head 1,468 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, jbrown_9999 said: Why do you think that QBs want to go to Oklahoma instead of ND? Is it the actual scheme, the coaching (i.e. QB development), or their WRs? Past success and Lincoln Riley track record with QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 748 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 48 minutes ago, Big23Head said: Past success and Lincoln Riley track record with QBs. Is that success due to QB coaching, offensive scheme, or WR talent? I am trying to figure what ND is missing compared to other programs. Other schools in the NC picture seem to repeatedly turn out great QBs while Kelly has only had a 2nd round and 4th round in 11 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synoptico 225 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Success brings success. Why does bama win, because they get the best players, because they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golson5 185 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, jbrown_9999 said: Is that success due to QB coaching, offensive scheme, or WR talent? I am trying to figure what ND is missing compared to other programs. Other schools in the NC picture seem to repeatedly turn out great QBs while Kelly has only had a 2nd round and 4th round in 11 years. Oklahoma should also be asking about what we are doing defensively that they aren't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpatch 159 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, jbrown_9999 said: Is that success due to QB coaching, offensive scheme, or WR talent? I am trying to figure what ND is missing compared to other programs. Other schools in the NC picture seem to repeatedly turn out great QBs while Kelly has only had a 2nd round and 4th round in 11 years. Which schools are those? I don't see a pattern emerging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big23Head 1,468 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 Honestly, it takes one good QB to get things rolling. If Buchner adds some flare and elite QB to ND then that will bring in another top QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thand1 172 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I thought I read that ND has been late to recruit QBs the past few years. If that's true, jumping in late puts them behind from the beginning. I would really like to see the staff do better with evaluating their QB prospects earlier and starting the process much sooner. It would be preferable to lock in your QB recruit early as one of your 1st commits so they can be the player recruiters/leaders that they typically are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thand1 172 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I thought I read that ND has been late to recruit QBs the past few years. If that's true, jumping in late puts them behind from the beginning. I would really like to see the staff do better with evaluating their QB prospects earlier and starting the process much sooner. It would be preferable to lock in your QB recruit early as one of your 1st commits so they can be the player recruiters/leaders that they typically are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Fence 103 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Synoptico said: Success brings success. Why does bama win, because they get the best players, because they win. Agree. Oklahoma seemed to really get things started in the late '90s when opening up the offense. They've had 4 QBs win the Heisman since then: White, Bradford, Mayfield and Murray with a few others in between who were pretty decorated in their own right. Pretty good story to tell prospective top shelf QB recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 748 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 8 hours ago, golson5 said: Oklahoma should also be asking about what we are doing defensively that they aren't And so they should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKCIrish99 13 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 23 hours ago, Big23Head said: Past success and Lincoln Riley track record with QBs. Yes and recent Heisman winners at qb (Mayfield, Murray) don't hurt either. Riley is an offensive genius. OU was lucky to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDhoosier 934 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 9:16 AM, jbrown_9999 said: Why do you think that QBs want to go to Oklahoma instead of ND? Is it the actual scheme, the coaching (i.e. QB development), or their WRs? Because they put up 50 points a game and can really pad stats on offense. If I was a QB or WR, Oklahoma would look very good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 748 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, NDhoosier said: Because they put up 50 points a game and can really pad stats on offense. If I was a QB or WR, Oklahoma would look very good to me. 5* QBs also want to go to Clemson, Ohio St, and Alabama but not ND. It's too bad that ND has a 35 point a game offense while other CFP teams run 40 to 50 points a game offenses. When Kelly had a chance to go out and hire the best OC possible (in an exhaustive national search at that), he somehow ended up with Tommy Rees who architected a 33.4 points per game offense (down from 36.8 in 2019) . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golson5 185 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, jbrown_9999 said: 5* QBs also want to go to Clemson, Ohio St, and Alabama but not ND. It's too bad that ND has a 35 point a game offense while other CFP teams run 40 to 50 points a game offenses. When Kelly had a chance to go out and hire the best OC possible (in an exhaustive national search at that), he somehow ended up with Tommy Rees who architected a 33.4 points per game offense (down from 36.8 in 2019) . He lost by far his two best weapons from last year and didn't have spring practices. 20 played Alabama and Clemson twice. 19 didn't have any defenses like that. The 20 offense was as good or better when you consider competition and circumstances. Rees wasn't bad at all last year minus a few moments. Our offense performed about what it should have with the talent and competition we played. Our style was run first and ball control Edited July 15, 2021 by golson5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 748 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 hour ago, golson5 said: He lost by far his two best weapons from last year and didn't have spring practices. 20 played Alabama and Clemson twice. 19 didn't have any defenses like that. The 20 offense was as good or better when you consider competition and circumstances. Rees wasn't bad at all last year minus a few moments. Our offense performed about what it should have with the talent and competition we played. Our style was run first and ball control Do you think that the Kelly/Rees run first and ball control offense will win a NC? How about being able to simply score more than 14 points in a play-off game? BTW, I thought that Kelly's best offensive weapon was Ian Book, the record setting QB? Surely he should not have missed a beat given that he had an all-NFL line in front of him. Shouldn't a top notch head coach with 30 years experience make sure that he can reload vs. rebuild at WR? I don't know, maybe play an underclassman or two and let them catch a pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golson5 185 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 7 hours ago, jbrown_9999 said: Do you think that the Kelly/Rees run first and ball control offense will win a NC? How about being able to simply score more than 14 points in a play-off game? BTW, I thought that Kelly's best offensive weapon was Ian Book, the record setting QB? Surely he should not have missed a beat given that he had an all-NFL line in front of him. Shouldn't a top notch head coach with 30 years experience make sure that he can reload vs. rebuild at WR? I don't know, maybe play an underclassman or two and let them catch a pass? I was responding to you complaining about Rees. You just brought Kelly into the mix. 2 different arguments. I was never an Ian Book fan so you save that talk for someone else. Rees was just fine as OC last year with his circumstance and we did go to the playoff with him as qb coach and now OC. You were just off by throwing out the numbers the way you did. It happens, we're all wrong sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend 448 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Book was a poor man's Jeff Garcia and couldn't read a defense to save his life...but he was better at it than Wimbush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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