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Sorry but after a playoff run, the best you can do is the 25th ranked QB in the class? That’s not good enough. You know me, I’ve been a staunch defender of Kelly and will continue to be when necessary, but he also deserves to be called out for striking out here.

 

You’re a walking contradiction....on so many levels. If it isn’t correct in your mind then it’s wrong. Sound about right? Well, why don’t you go ahead and throw your name to BK and join as assistant? Because I’m sure you know more they do and I’m sure you would play well with others on the staff. Bahahahaha. You be shyt canned within a week.

 

As for the actual thread. We can shoot higher but without any true football for a lot of these guys I’m sure this year is going to be a wash in terms of determining talent. We’re at the mercy of BK and his guys and finding and evaluating talent this year.

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That’s what I was watching, it’s all bootlegs. No 5-7 step drop backs

 

Honest question. Isn't harder for a QB to throw a nice mid to deep ball on the run compared to dropping back. I would think dropping back allows you to set your feet and power through easier. Secondly, this may not be the kids fault, its the offense he is asked to run. Arm strength is absolutely something that can been seen in a camp setting. April 25th that happens with Elite 11. Angeli already throws a 40 yard ball on the run pretty easily. I'm intrigued to see more.

 

 

See, that’s dumb. Look at what Bama, Clemson, and OSU were able to do bc they had strong armed QBs who could stretch the field. I don’t care if he’s 6’2’’ if he can’t hit a deep seam or post route. And I’m still on Kelly’s side. You wanting him fired with no replacement in mind is ignorant.

 

Mac Jones is about the same size now as Angeli. Mac Jones does not have elite arm talent, he has a solid arm. He had excellent weapons around him. I get it, we all want T-Law, Fields, maybe Trask. BUT they all have elite weapons around them...ND does not. Complain more about that and I'll agree because there is clear evidence.

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You’re a walking contradiction....on so many levels. If it isn’t correct in your mind then it’s wrong. Sound about right? Well, why don’t you go ahead and throw your name to BK and join as assistant? Because I’m sure you know more they do and I’m sure you would play well with others on the staff. Bahahahaha. You be shyt canned within a week.

 

As for the actual thread. We can shoot higher but without any true football for a lot of these guys I’m sure this year is going to be a wash in terms of determining talent. We’re at the mercy of BK and his guys and finding and evaluating talent this year.

 

I do agree with the bold part. ND does need to shoot higher earlier. Ty Simpson should have had an earlier offer along with 1-2 others. They have to at least try to get in on a couple of those kids plus Steve Angeli types. ND was not pushing for Angeli until the end.

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I do agree with the bold part. ND does need to shoot higher earlier. Ty Simpson should have had an earlier offer along with 1-2 others. They have to at least try to get in on a couple of those kids plus Steve Angeli types. ND was not pushing for Angeli until the end.

 

Agreed another factor I learned after watching that interview I just linked was that ND has 3 recruiting targets on his team at Bergen Catholic in New Jersey.

 

Like Wimbush led to the twins etc at I think ST. Peters Prep in New Jersey.

 

Big, could this be an effort to recruit the other kids from Bergen Catholic as well?

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From the sounds of it, my take is not a popular one but I really like this pick up. I think there is a lot to like here. The ball comes out of his hand with some zip and quickly. He is big and mobile. He is accurate with the ball and is said to have great mechanics with an easy fluid throwing motion. He’s also said to have a good head on his shoulders and great attitude and work ethic. He is also said to be able to make all the throws. The one knock on him is at this point he doesn’t have “elite” arm strength. I saw that 40 yard plus throw that he made rolling to his left and throwing across his body while on the run. He has enough arm strength.

 

Mike Singer said that after he saw Buchner throw live at the elite 11 camp where he didn’t necessarily have his best day, a couple weeks later singer went out and watched angelli live. He didn’t go on record as far as to say that angelli was better but he was hem hawing around and said the zip in which the ball came out of angelli’s hand was very impressive. The way he was talking it made it sound like he was more impressed with angelli than Buchner after those two live sessions. Singer also said that he has watched a decent amount of film on angelli and that he is willing to stand in the pocket and find his man. He also said it looked like the offense of line was not all that great because multiple times guys came in untouched and angelli was running for his life.

 

There of been many five star quarterback busts over the years and many three-star quarterbacks that become stars. The fact of the matter is you just never know. I’m not saying angelli is going to be a star but at the same time he could. there are a lot of attributes to like about this young man. Remember he has only started six games in high school. There is a lot of growth to be made here.

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From the sounds of it, my take is not a popular one but I really like this pick up. I think there is a lot to like here. The ball comes out of his hand with some zip and quickly. He is big and mobile. He is accurate with the ball and is said to have great mechanics with an easy fluid throwing motion. He’s also said to have a good head on his shoulders and great attitude and work ethic. He is also said to be able to make all the throws. The one knock on him is at this point he doesn’t have “elite” arm strength. I saw that 40 yard plus throw that he made rolling to his left and throwing across his body while on the run. He has enough arm strength.

 

Mike Singer said that after he saw Buchner throw live at the elite 11 camp where he didn’t necessarily have his best day, a couple weeks later singer went out and watched angelli live. He didn’t go on record as far as to say that angelli was better but he was hem hawing around and said the zip in which the ball came out of angelli’s hand was very impressive. The way he was talking it made it sound like he was more impressed with angelli than Buchner after those two live sessions. Singer also said that he has watched a decent amount of film on angelli and that he is willing to stand in the pocket and find his man. He also said it looked like the offense of line was not all that great because multiple times guys came in untouched and angelli was running for his life.

 

There of been many five star quarterback busts over the years and many three-star quarterbacks that become stars. The fact of the matter is you just never know. I’m not saying angelli is going to be a star but at the same time he could. there are a lot of attributes to like about this young man. Remember he has only started six games in high school. There is a lot of growth to be made here.

 

He's a good player and a good kid. I think he will recruit well for ND.

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Agreed another factor I learned after watching that interview I just linked was that ND has 3 recruiting targets on his team at Bergen Catholic in New Jersey.

 

Like Wimbush led to the twins etc at I think ST. Peters Prep in New Jersey.

 

Big, could this be an effort to recruit the other kids from Bergen Catholic as well?

 

In this case I would say no. If Buchner was a sophomore and already showing signs of being THE guy then ok. But you cannot do that at QB in my opinion. FWIW, Angeli is also the QB for Midwest Boom 7v7 team, which includes Kaleb Brown and Tyler Morris.

 

Angeli is Mac Jones at the high school level. I think Angeli is actually more mobile and athletic. Homerun, no. Can win, yes. Get him weapons.

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In this case I would say no. If Buchner was a sophomore and already showing signs of being THE guy then ok. But you cannot do that at QB in my opinion. FWIW, Angeli is also the QB for Midwest Boom 7v7 team, which includes Kaleb Brown and Tyler Morris.

 

Angeli is Mac Jones at the high school level. I think Angeli is actually more mobile and athletic. Homerun, no. Can win, yes. Get him weapons.

 

Are we in it for the Jaden Gold or Jaden Bellamy from his high school?

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You’re a walking contradiction....on so many levels. If it isn’t correct in your mind then it’s wrong. Sound about right? Well, why don’t you go ahead and throw your name to BK and join as assistant? Because I’m sure you know more they do and I’m sure you would play well with others on the staff. Bahahahaha. You be shyt canned within a week.

 

As for the actual thread. We can shoot higher but without any true football for a lot of these guys I’m sure this year is going to be a wash in terms of determining talent. We’re at the mercy of BK and his guys and finding and evaluating talent this year.

 

No, it’s only a contradiction to you bc I don’t buy into your bs. And you think I’d get fired, imagine you being an AD and firing a success HC with no replacement in mind.

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Honest question. Isn't harder for a QB to throw a nice mid to deep ball on the run compared to dropping back. I would think dropping back allows you to set your feet and power through easier. Secondly, this may not be the kids fault, its the offense he is asked to run. Arm strength is absolutely something that can been seen in a camp setting. April 25th that happens with Elite 11. Angeli already throws a 40 yard ball on the run pretty easily. I'm intrigued to see more.

 

 

 

 

Mac Jones is about the same size now as Angeli. Mac Jones does not have elite arm talent, he has a solid arm. He had excellent weapons around him. I get it, we all want T-Law, Fields, maybe Trask. BUT they all have elite weapons around them...ND does not. Complain more about that and I'll agree because there is clear evidence.

 

I agree it’s harder to fit a ball into a tight window, but that doesn’t negate the lack of arm strength. And I don’t care what a kid does in 7 v 7 compared to his in game play. I want to know if you can hit that deep ball downfield when there’s an actual pass rush.

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Agree 100%, Faith. This Jersey kid is big time. Look at his offer list, Ohio State, Penn State etc

 

For the type of QB ND needs to get them over the hump, it’s not an impressive offer list. OSU was never going to take him after Ewers. Penn St, Michigan, Oregon are lesser programs than ND. I feel bad being this negative, but the staff looks like they have no clue how to recruit QBs.

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I do agree with the bold part. ND does need to shoot higher earlier. Ty Simpson should have had an earlier offer along with 1-2 others. They have to at least try to get in on a couple of those kids plus Steve Angeli types. ND was not pushing for Angeli until the end.

 

Are they even throwing there names into the Arch Manning sweepstakes?

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Are they even throwing there names into the Arch Manning sweepstakes?

 

They may offer, I think they should no doubt. Texas will be a player for him as well. ND has a few QBs on the radar right now.

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They may offer, I think they should no doubt. Texas will be a player for him as well. ND has a few QBs on the radar right now.

 

Should we expect to see 2023 QB offers go out in the summer of 2022?

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They may offer, I think they should no doubt. Texas will be a player for him as well. ND has a few QBs on the radar right now.

 

They should offer, but there’s virtually no chance he strays outside of the South.

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Should we expect to see 2023 QB offers go out in the summer of 2022?

 

I’ll be fair to the staff and say this is where the pandemic makes things difficult. The class of ‘23 will have a good amount of kids without film as Sophs or at least incomplete film. It’s going to be really hard to judge QBs in that class.

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I do agree with the bold part. ND does need to shoot higher earlier. Ty Simpson should have had an earlier offer along with 1-2 others. They have to at least try to get in on a couple of those kids plus Steve Angeli types. ND was not pushing for Angeli until the end.

 

Agreed. Buchner is clearly talented, but I'm not even sold that he's a sure fire bet to pan out. They *have* to aim high and hit big on the 2023 class because they won't have anyone in the QB room besides Buchner that has talent that will scare the teams ND wants to compete against.

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I have read differing opinions on how good Angeli is compared to Allard. I'd like to complain but I don't know all of the behind the scenes details that lead to the outcome. For instance, knowing why the staff didn't pursue Simpson sooner would be important before I complain about recruiting failures.

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I have read differing opinions on how good Angeli is compared to Allard. I'd like to complain but I don't know all of the behind the scenes details that lead to the outcome. For instance, knowing why the staff didn't pursue Simpson sooner would be important before I complain about recruiting failures.

 

With regards to Simpson, Kelly and Rees must use different criteria to evaluate QBs than Clemson or Alabama.

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