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Typical 29-5 run and counting. When does Brey go?

 

They can’t handle the press. You never pressed breys good teams in the past because they broke it easily and would make You pay. This team keeps throwing the ball in the corner. Ryan is beyond weak with the ball on the press and hubb panics.

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One time throwing the ball in the corner is on the players. Every time after that is on the coaches. 4 defenders against 3 ND offensive players and they didn't look up the floor nor did the 2 players in the back flash to the ball. Honestly, we all know they should have been better prepared for the press after blowing the Georgia Tech game.

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That second half was just embarrassing. There must have been a dozen things they did poorly besides handling the press extremely bad. I live in Syracuse so friends had the Syracuse radio announcers on as we watched it. The radio announcers were even laughing at ND.....completely embarrassing!!!

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That second half was just embarrassing. There must have been a dozen things they did poorly besides handling the press extremely bad. I live in Syracuse so friends had the Syracuse radio announcers on as we watched it. The radio announcers were even laughing at ND.....completely embarrassing!!!

 

 

Wrong. It was completely the press. They didn’t start losing their lead until Syracuse started the press. It was the same story at Georgia Tech.

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Wrong. It was completely the press. They didn’t start losing their lead until Syracuse started the press. It was the same story at Georgia Tech.

 

Did you watch that game? Yes they s*cked handling the press as I said. But you don’t blow a 20 pt second half lead because you turn the ball over 2 or three times because of the press. Wake up they are NOT a well coached team.

 

Their defense s*cked in second half, you can’t give Buddy wide open 3s. They got lazy on defense. Syracuse had open or easy shots for most of the second half.

 

They were out of position rebounding in second half. ND first half rebounding advantage disappeared in 2Q.

 

Offense.....or should I say what offense....in the first have they worked the ball. Got Durham inside on several dunks . Or had multiple open three. Second half what the h*ll. They thought they were in the NBA.

 

I could go on and on and on and on. Syracuse is known for their defense/ press would someone tell Brey. That old fart Jim Boeheim ( I think he is 75) proved he has forgotten more then Brey knows. Boeheim made adjustments and NDs response was to look like lost children. What the F.......ND was all around out coached and played in that second half.

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Did you watch that game? Yes they s*cked handling the press as I said. But you don’t blow a 20 pt second half lead because you turn the ball over 2 or three times because of the press. Wake up they are NOT a well coached team.

 

Their defense s*cked in second half, you can’t give Buddy wide open 3s. They got lazy on defense. Syracuse had open or easy shots for most of the second half.

 

They were out of position rebounding in second half. ND first half rebounding advantage disappeared in 2Q.

 

Offense.....or should I say what offense....in the first have they worked the ball. Got Durham inside on several dunks . Or had multiple open three. Second half what the h*ll. They thought they were in the NBA.

 

 

 

 

 

I could go on and on and on and on. Syracuse is known for their defense/ press would someone tell Brey. That old fart Jim Boeheim ( I think he is 75) proved he has forgotten more then Brey knows. Boeheim made adjustments and NDs response was to look like lost children. What the F.......ND was all around out coached and played in that second half.

 

 

 

Of course I watched the game. They had more than one or two turnovers because of the press. They also allowed the press to speed them up and get them completely out of their offensive rhythm. If they would have broken the press like they should have, and made easy baskets or gotten into their set offense, they would have won the game bad defense and all. Like I said the same thing happened at Georgia Tech as soon as the Yellow Jackets ratcheted up the full court press.

 

Plus, who said they were well coached? no one. Lol. but you also have to blame the players as well. Brey has had teams in the past that would obliterate the press. These current players just melt down and panic when pressed. Sure coaching plays a part, but it's not all of it.

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Of course I watched the game. They had more than one or two turnovers because of the press. They also allowed the press to speed them up and get them completely out of their offensive rhythm. If they would have broken the press like they should have, and made easy baskets or gotten into their set offense, they would have won the game bad defense and all. Like I said the same thing happened at Georgia Tech as soon as the Yellow Jackets ratcheted up the full court press.

 

Plus, who said they were well coached? no one. Lol. but you also have to blame the players as well. Brey has had teams in the past that would obliterate the press. These current players just melt down and panic when pressed. Sure coaching plays a part, but it's not all of it.

 

 

Even when they got the ball pass half court ND never got into their offense. You can make all the excuses you want for Brey but most would argue ND has more talent then Syracuse. I seen SU play multiple times this year. They have two slow guards (Buddy & Joe) who can’t defend against my mother. Sure they can shot but only if they are left open. There forwards (Griffin & Dolezak) are undersized and just average players. And they seriously do not have a center, he been hurt all year. If ND can’t beat that team there is something wrong. Defend him all you want but Brey must go NOW !

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Even when they got the ball pass half court ND never got into their offense. You can make all the excuses you want for Brey but most would argue ND has more talent then Syracuse. I seen SU play multiple times this year. They have two slow guards (Buddy & Joe) who can’t defend against my mother. Sure they can shot but only if they are left open. There forwards (Griffin & Dolezak) are undersized and just average players. And they seriously do not have a center, he been hurt all year. If ND can’t beat that team there is something wrong. Defend him all you want but Brey must go NOW !

 

 

Well, not sure you read my post but that's ok. I am far from a Brey apologist. :rofl:

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After watching that disaster I want to hear from those that think we shouldn’t trash Brey. To give up 94 points to BC what a joke ND has become. Thank God the season is over now they won’t embarrass themselves again

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Just watched ND get destroyed by Louisville.

 

Ivey needs to get much tougher with her players. The difference in toughness between Walz and how he coached his players vs Ivey was huge. They out hustled ND all game long.

 

Ivey also has to get on the refs. ND got a ton of lousy calls, which Ivey should have been all over the refs.

 

Miles is already the most important player. If she develops a reliable outside shot she’s going to be a superstar.

Brunelle can’t defend post players. She needs to lose 20 lbs and be a perimeter player. That said, at least she can score consistently. With the proper S&C and development she could be much better in the next two years.

Not impressed at all by People’s. She can’t shoot. She’s a garbage points player. Trouble is, she can’t shoot free throws.

Westbeld will get better, but she’s not ready to play with premier post players. She needs to get stronger and quicker. She’s only a fresh. So, it’s up to Ivey to bring out her talent.

Walker is a good athlete with poor basketball skills. She’s not going anywhere professionally.

Gilbert is simply not athletic enough. She’s a 2nd tier player.

Mabrey is too streaky to be a full time starter if ND is going to be elite

Citron better have Miles type potential if ND wants to sniff the Elite 8

 

Overall, McGraw had a lot of recruiting misses during a period when ND should have really loaded up on talent. Ivey has got to get some superstars and coach her players harder. If she doesn’t, it could be a long time before ND is relevant again.

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After watching that disaster I want to hear from those that think we shouldn’t trash Brey. To give up 94 points to BC what a joke ND has become. Thank God the season is over now they won’t embarrass themselves again

 

 

 

You can trash Brey all you want. I've done my fair share of it in the past, but have you met Jack Swarbrick. A long time ago I came to grips with the fact that Brey is going nowhere until he wants to. It's that simple.

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You can trash Brey all you want. I've done my fair share of it in the past, but have you met Jack Swarbrick. A long time ago I came to grips with the fact that Brey is going nowhere until he wants to. It's that simple.

 

 

I’m just frustrated with NDs play the last couple of years. You are right, I have met Jack and Mike and I know Mike is not going. Maybe Mike could be convinced to take some administration job...He can be the assistant AD or something.

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A typical game last night for us, losing the entire game by double digits due to the absence of D and generally poor shot selection. Came back to win at the end on a buzzer beater - went on like a 17-2 run maybe. Great individual D played by Ryan and then a great dish to Wertz to hit the game winner from deep.

It was nice to see some life out of the team.

 

The best part was one of the bench players face planting running out on the court to celebrate the win.

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Big beat down last night to UNC in the ACC tournament that really shows how far we've fallen since those 2 glory years of Elite 8 appearances. We haven't recruited well at all, our grad transfers, which seem to be something we are relying on more heavily due to lack of recruiting success, have been hit or miss (mostly misses with mediocre players). I only watched part of the Kentucky game this year because it's been the same themes all along, but am guessing the younger players haven't gotten significant time either? When and how are we developing them?

 

I'm not calling for Brey to get let go, but hoping he comes to the realization that he doesn't seem equipped or motivated to effectively compete in today's environment. Maybe we can get a consultant / ambassador role for him and get more of a dog on the bench who can regularly put better teams on the floor.

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I actually think the transfers we have gotten in are good - they're just the same as the players we currently have on the roster. We have 4 good guards, a really good wing (Laz) and no big. Durham is just weak. It was like watching me playing against Shaq last night.

So - really we have no big depth. Laz is a guard. Durham is weak. Zona is not ready for prime time - might be later.

These are all recruiting deficiencies that are blamed on the coaching staff. I don't know how you don't recruit good bigs that last few years.

Djogo was a wild card - sometimes he looked like he played in the NBA and sometimes you didn't even know he could play basketball.

 

Even with the freshmen coming in next year and the big transfer from Yale, I don't see us being any different next year without a change at the top. I like Brey and feel badly, but sometimes you just have to know when it is time.

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Awful loss to NC last night by 42! Notre Dame hasn't lost a game as badly as it did Wednesday since being beaten by UCLA by 58 points on Dec. 22, 1971. That's before all those wins against No. 1 teams. That's before Dwight Clay. That's before league play and the 3-point line. That was seven games into the Digger Phelps coaching era. That was 50 years ago. Wednesday's second half felt like it took 50 years.

Brey is toast now!

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I’ll admit I didn’t watch the game. But, being on the wrong end of a 37-2 run (https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Tar-Heels-Bludgeon-then-Embarrass-Defenseless-Irish-in-101-59-Victory-162141767/) says a lot about a team. Coaches and players alike.

Coaches gotta coach, players gotta play.

If you could stomach watching the second half (and I give you major props if you continued watching after the first half) what did you see?

The men’s and women’s program both seem headed in the wrong directions.

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Sorry didn’t watch it either.....intentionally I knew it would just upset me if I did. I love what Tim O’Malley wrote in his article though....how embarrassing

 

“Carolina’s margin snowballed to the comical, 70-47, with a full 12 minutes remaining. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. And clearly—to the underdog combatants least—no reason to fight. The victors kept fighting. The Irish simply took it.

 

An 80-49 head-shaking scoreboard presented four minutes later and Notre Dame’s egregious 2020-21 defensive effort had found a new low.

 

Or so it appeared.

 

The final score, 101-59, was part of an implausible 37-2 run that punctuated the Tar Heels ludicrous domination of Brey’s passive, overmatched, and all-too-ready-to-quit Irish.

 

In short, Notre Dame never cared to counter Carolina’s party-at-the-rim. Or maybe they couldn’t. Probably both.”

 

 

FWIW I think you need to cut Ivey some slack. Muffet really left the cupboard empty after that 2018 team left. I am hopeful Ivey can get the women’s team back to their dominance days.

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Sorry didn’t watch it either.....intentionally I knew it would just upset me if I did. I love what Tim O’Malley wrote in his article though....how embarrassing

 

“Carolina’s margin snowballed to the comical, 70-47, with a full 12 minutes remaining. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. And clearly—to the underdog combatants least—no reason to fight. The victors kept fighting. The Irish simply took it.

 

An 80-49 head-shaking scoreboard presented four minutes later and Notre Dame’s egregious 2020-21 defensive effort had found a new low.

 

Or so it appeared.

 

The final score, 101-59, was part of an implausible 37-2 run that punctuated the Tar Heels ludicrous domination of Brey’s passive, overmatched, and all-too-ready-to-quit Irish.

 

In short, Notre Dame never cared to counter Carolina’s party-at-the-rim. Or maybe they couldn’t. Probably both.”

 

 

FWIW I think you need to cut Ivey some slack. Muffet really left the cupboard empty after that 2018 team left. I am hopeful Ivey can get the women’s team back to their dominance days.

 

Agree. I’ll give her three more years. I think that by the end of a coach’s 4th year the trajectory is set. This year to my untrained eye has been disappointing, but she certainly deserves a chance. ND has a pedigree in women’s basketball; hopefully Ivey can get ND back to where it competes for championships routinely.

At this stage I’m sure Brey can’t.

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